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		<description><![CDATA[This is the fifth (and long overdue) installment in my series responding to Dan Peterson’s recent article, “Joseph Smith’s restoration of ‘theosis’ was miracle, not scandal.” As explained in the first part of this series, Peterson quotes from the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, an unnamed Jewish source, and a few church fathers to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the fifth (and long overdue) installment in my series responding to Dan Peterson’s recent article, “<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700168175/Joseph-Smiths-restoration-of-theosis-was-miracle-not-scandal.html">Joseph Smith’s restoration of ‘theosis’ was miracle, not scandal</a>.” As explained in <a href="../2011/08/did-joseph-smith-restore-theosis-part-one-the-mormon-doctrine-of-exaltation/">the first part</a> of this series, Peterson quotes from the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, an unnamed Jewish source, and a few church fathers to illustrate the Mormon belief that Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation restored an ancient doctrine. Specifically, Peterson says:</p>
<p>“With this doctrine of exaltation or human deification, though, Joseph Smith wasn’t actually moving away from Judeo-Christian tradition. He was returning to a forgotten strand of it. For ancient Christians and Jews also had a doctrine of human deification, which scholars call ‘theosis.’”</p>
<p>Scholars do indeed use the term <em>theosis</em> for what can be called a doctrine of human deification. <span id="more-9416"></span>Specifically, this term has its customary or primary usage with reference to the doctrine of deification taught in the Eastern Orthodox theological tradition. The roots of this Eastern Orthodox doctrine are to be found in the teachings of the early church fathers, especially (though not exclusively) the Greek-writing ones. This is the context in which Peterson offers brief quotations from Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (2nd century), Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen (all third century), and Jerome (fifth century).</p>
<p>It is not an accident that Peterson’s article includes more quotations from the church fathers (six) than from all of his other sources combined (two from the New Testament, one from the Book of Mormon, and one from a medieval Jewish text). The church fathers did indeed teach a doctrine of deification. The question is what they meant by it and whether it provides any support for Peterson’s claim that Joseph Smith’s doctrine of deification was a restoration of an ancient doctrine that had been forgotten.</p>
<p><strong><em>1. The church fathers whom Peterson quotes were, from the LDS perspective, part of the Great Apostasy.</em></strong></p>
<p>We may start with an ironic observation. The church fathers whom Peterson quotes were among the leading architects of the religious and theological tradition that Mormons regard as the Great Apostasy. These were all theologians, not prophets. The very writings in which an explicit Christian doctrine of human deification first appears are the earliest documents from what the LDS Church teaches was a growing apostasy, a spiritual and theological darkness that overcame the Christian movement in the second, third, and fourth centuries. This should be just about the <em>last</em> place Mormons would want to look for ancient precedent for their “restored” doctrines! Yet this is where Peterson draws the majority of his quotations. The problem may be illustrated by the following comments from Spencer W. Kimball:</p>
<p>“Many men with no pretense nor claim to revelation, speaking without divine authority or revelation, depending only upon their own brilliant minds, but representing as they claim the congregations of the Christians and in long conference and erudite councils, sought the creation process to make a God which all could accept. The brilliant minds with their philosophies, knowing much about the Christian traditions and the pagan philosophies, would combine all elements to please everybody. They replaced the simple ways and program of the Christ with spectacular rituals, colorful display, impressive pageantry, and limitless pomposity, and called it Christianity. They had replaced the glorious, divine plan of exaltation of Christ with an elaborate, colorful, man-made system” (<em>Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball</em>, 425).</p>
<p>The traditional LDS position is that this corruption of Christianity was largely an accomplished fact already in the second century. LDS apostle and teacher Bruce R. McConkie claimed, “In the Old World the great apostasy was complete sometime during the second century A.D.” (<em>A New Witness for the Articles of Faith</em>, 477). Similarly, LDS theologian Stephen E. Robinson states that “Latter-day Saints trace the Apostasy to roughly the second century and reject subsequent orthodoxy” (<em>Encyclopedia of Mormonism</em>, ed. Daniel H. Ludlow [New York: Macmillan, 1992], 400). Yet Peterson’s earliest explicit examples of a Christian doctrine of believers becoming “gods” come from the second half of the second century, and most come from the third century or even later.</p>
<p>Of course, it is theoretically possible that the church fathers might have been right about humans becoming gods and wrong about other things. A Mormon could argue that the Great Apostasy led to the loss of divine authority and to the gradual loss of some doctrinal truths but not others, with the doctrine of people becoming gods as one that was not lost right away. This might seem a sufficient explanation for how it was that the church fathers believed in humans becoming deified even while they also taught what Mormons regard as false doctrines. However, this explanation doesn’t really address the point, which is that the church fathers were the <em>first</em> Christian teachers to articulate an explicit doctrine of the deification of believers.</p>
<p>The fact that Peterson can document a patristic (church fathers’) tradition of deification from the second, third, and fifth centuries leads to another problem.</p>
<p><strong><em>2. The doctrine of </em>theosis<em> cannot be “restored” because it was never lost.</em></strong></p>
<p>The writings of Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Jerome have played an ongoing, continuous role in theological studies and reflection throughout church history. We are not talking here about long-lost writings like the Nag Hammadi “Gnostic gospels” or miraculously restored texts such as Mormons believe the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham to be. We are talking about the writings of men whose writings have never stopped circulating and that have been cited, quoted, and discussed in every generation from their own time to the present.</p>
<p>Moreover, the specific patristic idea of deification, or <em>theosis</em>, was never lost in any sense. It has been taught continuously in the Eastern Orthodox Church throughout its history with no interruption. It was being taught in Eastern Orthodox congregations in Joseph Smith’s day (although the first such congregation was not established in the continental United States until 1857, thirteen years after Joseph’s death).</p>
<p><strong><em>3. The church fathers’ doctrine of deification lacked all of the distinctive elements of Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation and explicitly differed from his view in crucial respects.</em></strong></p>
<p>Establishing that the early church fathers taught a doctrine of deification does not, in and of itself, show that Joseph Smith’s doctrine of deification is a restoration of ancient truth. One must compare the substance of the two doctrines of deification in order to determine if the two doctrines are at all close in <em>meaning</em>. To that end, I will repeat here the seven specific doctrinal elements of Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation:</p>
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<li>God has not always been God; it is not true that he has been God from all eternity (though he may have <em>existed</em> from all eternity, he has not always existed <em>as God</em>).</li>
<li>God was once a man like us before becoming God our Heavenly Father.</li>
<li>God became God and is an exalted man, an exalted being.</li>
<li>Human beings are the spirit offspring of God, our Heavenly Father. We lived in heaven with God before becoming physical beings here on earth.</li>
<li>We became human beings precisely so that we would have the opportunity to attain exaltation just as God did.</li>
<li>Human beings can become “gods” in the sense of becoming exalted beings fully like Heavenly Father in all essential respects, just as he did before us.</li>
<li>As exalted beings or gods, we can become creators and have all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge that God the Father has (in the worlds we create).</li>
</ol>
<p>Read through Peterson’s quotations from the church fathers and you will quickly see that they express <em>none</em> of these seven doctrinal elements. Readers lacking some background in the theology of the church fathers might wonder if some of the quotations at least <em>might</em> reflect an acceptance of the last two doctrinal elements, but nothing in the quotations would even suggest to any reader a belief in the first five elements listed above. Here are Peterson’s quotations:</p>
<p>Justin Martyr: “All men are deemed worthy of becoming gods, and of having power to become sons of the Highest.”</p>
<p>Irenaeus: “We have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods. … (Jesus Christ) became what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself.”</p>
<p>Clement of Alexandria: In the “future life” we will be among “gods … those who have become perfect … and become pure in heart … They are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the other gods that have been first put in their places by the Savior.”</p>
<p>Tertullian: Through divine grace the saved “shall be even gods.”</p>
<p>Origen of Alexandria: He believed in “the Father as the one true God,” but acknowledged “other beings besides the true God, who have become gods by having a share of God.”</p>
<p>Jerome: “God made man for that purpose, that from men they may become gods. … They who cease to be mere men, abandon the ways of vice, and are become perfect, are gods and sons of the Most High.”</p>
<p>There is no suggestion in any of these quotations that God the Father was a man who progressed to Godhood, or that God has not always been God. There is also no notion in any of these statements that human beings preexisted in heaven as gods in embryo prior to their physical lives here on earth. The core theological and anthropological premises of Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation are completely absent from these patristic quotations—and indeed are absent from the corpus of the church fathers’ writings as a whole.</p>
<p>Justin states that all people may “become gods,” and similarly Tertullian says that those saved through God’s grace “shall be even gods.” But what do these statements mean in context? They did not mean that believers will become deities possessing the same powers as the Creator of the universe. Let’s look at their statements in context. Justin wrote:</p>
<p>“But as my discourse is not intended to touch on this point [the fall of Satan], but to prove to you that the Holy Ghost reproaches men because <strong><em>they were made like God, free from suffering and death</em></strong>, provided that they kept His commandments, and were deemed deserving of the name of His sons, and yet they, becoming like Adam and Eve, work out death for themselves; let the interpretation of the Psalm be held just as you wish, yet thereby it is demonstrated that <strong><em>all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and of having power to become sons of the Highest</em></strong>; and shall be each by himself judged and condemned like Adam and Eve” (Justin Martyr, <em>Dialogue with Trypho</em> 124, emphasis added).</p>
<p>We see here that Justin specifies precisely what he means by “gods”: that human beings were created with the intention that they be “free from suffering and death.” In other words, to be “gods” in this context means to be immortal beings. That is all that one can fairly understand Justin to mean by this language here. Furthermore, according to Justin, we are not already God’s children (as the LDS Church teaches), but may <em>become</em> his sons. What Justin teaches here is incompatible with the LDS doctrine that we were God’s preexistent children in heaven and that we came here to make progress toward “growing up” to become full-fledged Gods like our Heavenly Father.</p>
<p>Tertullian’s statement that “we shall be even gods” also does not mean that humans will become the same kind of beings as God:</p>
<p>“Truth, however, maintains the unity of God in such a way as to insist that <strong><em>whatever belongs to God Himself belongs to Him alone</em></strong>. For so will it belong to Himself if it belong to Him alone; and therefore it will be impossible that another god should be admitted, when it is permitted to no other being to possess anything of God. Well, then, you say, we ourselves at that rate possess nothing of God. But indeed we do, and shall continue to do— only it is from Him that we receive it, and not from ourselves. For <strong><em>we shall be even gods</em></strong>, if we shall deserve to be among those of whom He declared, <q>I have said, You are gods,</q> and, <q>God stands in the congregation of the gods.</q> <strong><em>But this comes of His own grace, not from any property in us, because it is He alone who can make gods</em></strong>” (Tertullian, <em>Against Hermogenes</em> 5, emphasis added).</p>
<p>Tertullian here insists that certain properties belong to God alone, and that human beings will never possess those unique properties of deity. They will be “gods” only in the sense that God will declare those to be “gods” whom he graciously deems deserving of this honor, not by virtue of them attaining “any property” that qualifies them as deities. The point here must be understood very precisely. Tertullian is not merely saying that human beings can become gods only by God’s “grace.” The LDS Church could (and in some contexts does) use these same words. Tertullian, however, means by this statement that human beings are accorded a status of “gods” as a gracious honor and not, as Joseph Smith taught, that they are transformed (even if by “grace”) into beings possessing the same properties as God.</p>
<p>Every quotation that Peterson (and other Mormon scholars and apologists before him) quote from the church fathers is like the ones just considered from Justin and Tertullian. If one reads the statements in context, one discovers that they express a doctrine that in substance is obviously different from the doctrine of Joseph Smith.</p>
<p><strong><em>4. The view of God, man, Christ, and salvation taught by the church fathers is radically opposed to Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation.</em></strong></p>
<p>The difference between the patristic doctrine of deification and Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation can be fully appreciated only by placing these doctrines in their larger theological and worldview contexts. A full-blown treatise on this point is out of the question here; I will content myself with a brief summary and a few example statements from the church fathers.</p>
<p><em>The doctrine of God</em>. In Joseph Smith’s teaching, all humans and all other spirit beings in our world are eternal beings that had no beginning and no creation. Thus, the idea that God is an eternal being is, for Mormonism, in no sense unique. Furthermore, God, though he has existed eternally, has not always been God, but instead became a God by a process of exaltation that we can also undergo. God, according to Joseph Smith (notably in the Book of Abraham), was also not the sole creator or maker of the world. Rather, a plurality of Gods got together and “organized” this world into its present form. God the Father is a physically embodied being, an exalted, immortal Man of flesh and bones, of the same species or kind of being as we are but in a perfected state.</p>
<p>Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the writings of the church fathers knows their view of God was radically different. For them, God is the only being with no origin, no beginning; he is the only uncreated, unbegotten, unoriginated being. God is the sole creator and everything else, including all other intelligent beings, exist solely as the result of his creative will. God is by nature an incorporeal being who transcends space, and who has been God from all eternity, and who is eternally unchanging in his divine being.</p>
<p>So, according to Justin Martyr, “That which always maintains the same nature, and in the same manner, and is the cause of all other things—that, indeed, is God” (<em>Dialogue with Trypho</em> 3). Justin denies that God is a physical or embodied being. “And again, when He says, ‘I shall behold the heavens, the works of Thy fingers,’ unless I understand His method of using words, I shall not understand intelligently, but just as your teachers suppose, fancying that the Father of all, the unbegotten God, has hands and feet, and fingers, and a soul, like a composite being; and they for this reason teach that it was the Father Himself who appeared to Abraham and to Jacob” (<em>Dialogue</em> 114). Robert M. Grant comments on Justin’s theological reasoning here: “Justin absolutely rejects a literal interpretation of biblical metaphors: God does not have hands, feet, fingers, or soul, for he is not composite (<em>Dial</em>. 114, 3); he is not moved nor does he walk, sleep, or wake. Though he can be said to be ‘in the heavens’ or ‘above heaven’ or ‘above the universe,’ he is not really located in space at all (<em>Dial</em>. 127, 3)” (<em>The Early Christian Doctrine of God</em> [Charlottesville, VA: University Press of Virginia, 1966], 22).</p>
<p>Other church fathers also taught that God is the sole uncreated Creator of all else that exists. Here are a couple of examples:</p>
<p>“Our God did not begin to be in time: He alone is without beginning, and He Himself is the beginning of all things. God is a Spirit, not pervading matter, but the Maker of material spirits, and of the forms that are in matter; He is invisible, impalpable, being Himself the Father of both sensible and invisible things” (Tatian, <em>Address to the Greeks</em>, ch. 4).</p>
<p>“But the things established are distinct from Him who has established them, and what have been made from Him who has made them. For He is Himself uncreated, both without beginning and end, and lacking nothing. He is Himself sufficient for Himself; and still further, He grants to all others this very thing, existence; but the things which have been made by Him have received a beginning” (Irenaeus, <em>Against Heresies</em> 3.8.3).</p>
<p><em>Doctrine of Christ</em>. According to Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ was one of God’s billions of spirit children, but the first to become a God alongside God the Father. When Christ became a physical man on earth, he was progressing toward a fuller or more complete realization of his divine potential because the Father himself is an exalted man of flesh and bones. Deity and humanity are simply two different phases of the same species or kind of being.</p>
<p>In the teaching of the church fathers, however, the Son was already <em>fully</em> God before he became a man, and he was God’s “Son” in an absolutely unique sense. To be “the Son” meant that he was of the same nature as God the Father—that he was deity by nature, just as the Father was. The Incarnation was God the Son’s gracious act of humbling himself for our salvation and the Father’s honor, not a stage of the Son’s own full deification. In becoming a man, Jesus Christ assumed human nature united perfectly and uniquely to his divine nature. Thus the incarnate Son is a paradoxical person, the union of infinite deity with finite humanity.</p>
<p>We see this doctrine expressed in startling clarity very early in the second century: “Look for Him who is above all time, eternal and invisible, yet who became visible for our sakes; impalpable and impassible, yet who became passible on our account; and who in every kind of way suffered for our sakes” (Ignatius, <em>To Polycarp</em> 3.2 [short version]). According to Irenaeus, the Logos (John’s name for the preincarnate Christ in <a class="bibleref" title="John 1:1, 14" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%201.1%2C%2014/">John 1:1, 14</a>) “took up man into Himself, the invisible becoming visible, the incomprehensible being made comprehensible, the impassible becoming capable of suffering” (<em>Against Heresies</em> 3.16.6).</p>
<p>If God the Son, the Logos, was eternal, invisible, impassible Deity, who then became incarnate as a man in order to be a visible, material human being and suffer in history for our salvation, then Christ is the only human being who was or ever will be Deity. He is not a man who became a God, but was rather God who became a man for our sakes. The patristic doctrine of Christ, understood in its full context, is absolutely incompatible with Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation.</p>
<p><em>Doctrine of man</em>. We have already touched on some of the obvious differences between Joseph Smith’s doctrine of man and that of the church fathers. For Joseph Smith, human beings have existed from eternity, with no beginning; they are uncreated beings. Moreover, they were gods in embryo existing in heaven before coming to the earth for the purpose of continuing their maturation toward becoming full-fledged Gods.</p>
<p>For the church fathers, human beings are creatures made by God and having a definite beginning to their existence. Most of the church fathers were very clear on the point that human existence begins with our physical lives, not as preexistent spirits (the third-century Origen was a notable exception, though even he believed those spirits were created beings). Human beings are not naturally disposed toward becoming gods, but God graciously adopts humans as his children and bestows on them immortality so that they may live as honorary “gods” with eternal life. A clear statement of the sharp divide between God and man is offered, for example, by Clement of Alexandria:</p>
<p>“But it has escaped their notice, though they be near us, that God has bestowed on us ten thousand things in which He does not share: birth, being Himself unborn; food, He wanting nothing; and growth, He being always equal; and long life and immortality, He being immortal and incapable of growing old” (<em>Stromata</em> 5.11).</p>
<p><em>Doctrine of salvation</em>. In Joseph Smith’s teaching, we were already eternal beings before coming to the earth. We came as mortals here in order to become resurrected beings with physical immortality, which is what Joseph Smith taught that God the Father had done. To become “Gods,” in his doctrine, meant to become omnipotent beings, to become beings of the same nature as our God and with the capacity to do the same sorts of divine acts (e.g., creation) as our Heavenly Father.</p>
<p>For the church fathers, as we have already seen, we are physical, temporal beings by nature, created as such by God, though with the intended purpose that God would eventually make us immortal. Through our faith relationship and spiritual union with Christ, we who are redeemed will participate in God’s immortality, incorruption, and holiness, and in that sense will be “gods”; but we will not become Gods by nature, that is, omnipotent beings of the same nature as God that will be able to do the same sorts of divine acts that God alone does. Irenaeus explained:</p>
<p>“For it was for this end that the Word of God was made man, and He who was the Son of God became the Son of man, that man, having been taken into the Word, and receiving the adoption, might become the son of God. For by no other means could we have attained to incorruptibility and immortality, unless we had been united to incorruptibility and immortality” (<em>Against Heresies</em> 3.19.1).</p>
<p>When all is said and done, the church fathers’ doctrine of deification is more notable for its sharp contrasts with Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation than for its superficial verbal similarities to some of the things that Joseph said. G. L. Prestige, in his classic textbook on the patristic doctrine of God, offers an exceptionally clear statement of the nature of their view of deification:</p>
<p>“All such expressions of the deification of man are, it must be remembered, purely relative. They express the fact that man has a nature essentially spiritual, and to that extent resembling the being of God; further, that he is able to attain a real union with God, by virtue of an affinity proceeding both from nature and from grace. Man, the Fathers might have said, is a supernatural animal. In some sense his destiny is to be absorbed into God. But they would all have repudiated with indignation any suggestion that the union of men to God added anything to the godhead. They explained the lower in terms of the higher, but did not obliterate the distinction between them. Not only is God self-dependent. He has also all those positive qualities which man does not possess, the attribution of which is made by adding the negative prefix to the common attributes of humanity. In addition, in so far as humanity possesses broken lights of God, they are as far as possible from reaching the measure and perfection with which they are associated in the godhead. Real power and freedom, fullness of light, ideal and archetypal spirit, are found in Him alone. The gulf is never bridged between Creator and creature. Though in Christ human nature has been raised to the throne of God, by virtue of His divine character, yet mankind in general can only aspire to the sort of divinity which lies open to its capacity through the union with the divine humanity. Eternal life is the life of God. Men may come to share its manifestations and activities, but only by grace, never of right. Man remains a created being: God alone is agenetos [without origin].”—G. L. Prestige, <em>God in Patristic Thought</em> (London: SPCK, 1959), 74-75.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Joseph Smith’s doctrine of exaltation was not in any meaningful sense a restoration of a lost doctrine of <em>theosis</em>. The doctrine of <em>theosis</em> was never lost, and the doctrine of deification taught by the church fathers was radically different from the doctrine Joseph Smith taught. Joseph taught that God was once a mortal man who became exalted to Godhood, and that we can do the same thing and become Gods of the same nature and powers as our God. The church fathers taught that God is the only uncreated, eternal Being, existing eternally and unchangeably as God, and that he created human beings to become “gods” in the sense that they may be adopted as his children and receive immortality as the gift of his grace.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>The Discipleship Book: Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This book will be written chapter-by-chapter through the Parchment &#38; Pen blog. The printed form of the book, along with a study guide, will be released in connection with the DVD/Workbook study entitled: The Discipleship Program. A projected release date is May 2011. During the time of the &#8220;Enlightenment&#8221; of the seventeenth century, the western world &#8220;woke [...]]]></description>
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<p style="clear: left;"><em>This book will be written chapter-by-chapter through the Parchment &amp; Pen blog. The printed form of the book, along with a study guide, will be released in connection with the DVD/Workbook study entitled: </em>The Discipleship Program<em>. A projected release date is May 2011.</em></p>
<p>During the time of the &#8220;Enlightenment&#8221; of the seventeenth century, the western world &#8220;woke up&#8221; to a startling realization. Man (re)discovered that he was filled with potential. Having had his abilities suppressed for over a thousand years, man took of the banner of hope. Advancements in technology, science, and medicine, propelled the dreams of what man could be if just given the opportunity to discover and set his intellect free. According to eighteenth-century philosopher Immanuel Kant, the Enlightenment was &#8220;mankind&#8217;s final coming of age, the emancipation of the human consciousness from an immature state of ignorance and error.&#8221; The dignity of man was emancipated from the authoritarian structures of religious institutionalism, tradition, archaic morality, and, yes, even the Bible. Man was now the captain of his fate and the master of his soul. Thus, the dignity of man was discovered. As Chuck Swindoll would put it, we thought we were &#8220;something on a stick.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, things did not go as well as we hoped. Yes, there were and continue to be great advancements in science and technology. But for all of this, death, poverty, hunger, holocaust, and war demonstrated that the great emancipation did not rescue man from his greatest problem: sin. The discoveries of the vastness of the universe only served to make us shrink in our confidence in knowledge. The theory of evolution suggested that man was evolving into a &#8220;higher life form&#8221; which was supposed to be better than the previous life form. However, pride, selfishness, hate, rape, murder, and all forms of what we call &#8220;inhumanity&#8221; continued to excel. Besides all this, without God in the picture, who was to define what &#8220;better&#8221; was? Who was to define morality? Who was the authority to define what it meant to be &#8220;enlightened&#8221; or evolved? Through this, man (re)discovered both his dignity and his sin.</p>
<p><strong>Dignity</strong></p>
<p>Man is good. Man is <em>very </em>good. <em>You </em>are very good. This is not just something from the enlightenment philosophers, but from the Bible itself. The first book of the Bible is called the book of Genesis. Genesis means &#8220;starting or beginning&#8221;. Though the book covers thousands of years of history, its first few chapters are about the creation of all things, with a special emphasis on man. Having accounted for God&#8217;s creation of the earth, stars, sun, moon, sky, sea, and all the animals in twenty-five short verses, there is a dramatic pause in the narrative as something different is about to take place. &#8220;<em>Then </em>God said . . .&#8221; This is the introduction to the creation of man. The creation of everything else has been going at break-neck speed. But what was about to take place was different in so many ways. While everything God created was special and miraculous, the creation of man demanded a different sort of attention:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Gen 1:26-27" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen%201.26-27/">Gen 1:26-27</a><br />
&#8220;Then God said, &#8216;Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.&#8217; 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing else in all of creation is like humanity. Man alone is said to be created in the &#8220;image of God.&#8221; Notice the three-fold repetition of the phrase &#8220;in God&#8217;s image.&#8221; <em>Both </em>male and female carry this dignity. Out of all the details that God could have given about the &#8220;hows&#8221; of creation (questions that we often want to know first), he gives us the &#8220;what&#8221; of creation. We alone are image bearers of the eternal God. This means that we are like God. Amazing!</p>
<p>David, in the Psalms ponders this wonder:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Psa 8:4-5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psa%208.4-5/">Psa 8:4-5</a><br />
&#8220;What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? 5 You made him a little lower than God and crowned him with glory and honor.&#8221;</p>
<p>How are we like God? Good question. Theologians (those guys who do nothing but study the Bible) don&#8217;t know <em>exactly </em>what it means to be in the &#8220;image of God.&#8221; It could include volition (the ability to make choices), responsibility, morality, spirituality, dominionality, or rationality. It probably is a combination of all of these. It is not that the rest of the animal kingdom doesn&#8217;t have these to some degree, it is just that man is special, possessing them to a much greater degree.<span id="more-7561"></span></p>
<p>The point is that any study of the Biblical view of man must include a central focus on humanity&#8217;s dignity as image bearers of God. God wants us to know that we are <em>the </em>central part of the creation of the universe. Everything else, all the stars and galaxies, all the mysterious life teeming in the oceans, all the beauty of the plants, trees, and mountains, and all of the wonders of the world are seen as backup music to the creation of the woman and the man. I know I am running the risk of sounding cliché here, but you are special. No matter what your race, nationality, age, or IQ level, you are created in God&#8217;s image. As such, you bear incredible dignity. Congratulations!</p>
<p><strong>Fall</strong></p>
<p>I wish that were the end of the story, but it is not. There is a &#8220;b-side&#8221; to this record. And the &#8220;b-side&#8221; is not good. Man is in the image of God, yes. Man is dignified just by virtue of being a human, yes. We are the &#8220;apple of God&#8217;s eye&#8221;, yes. But something bad happed and it effects us all: Sin entered the picture.</p>
<p>After God created his masterpiece, he placed them in a Garden called Eden (really more like an orchard). He crowned man&#8217;s dignity with responsibility, giving humanity the opportunity to act as God&#8217;s vice-regent here on earth. He said, &#8220;﻿Let man rule over everything I have created.﻿﻿﻿﻿&#8221; He also gave them a warning:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%202/">Gen. 2</a>: 16-17<br />
And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17<em> but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil</em>, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” (emphasis mine)</p>
<p>God gave this command to man in order to allow him to freely choose to obey or not obey. God did not want to force his love and acceptance on man so he gave him opportunity to rebel. Sure enough, man rebelled. He disobeyed God&#8217;s command and fell into sin. Here is how the narrative goes:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 3:1-7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%203.1-7/">Gen. 3:1-7</a><br />
&#8220;Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, &#8220;Did God really say, &#8216;You must not eat from any tree in the garden&#8217;? 2 The woman said to the serpent, &#8216;We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, &#8216;You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.&#8217; &#8217; 4 &#8216;You will not surely die,&#8217; the serpent said to the woman. 5 &#8216;For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.&#8217; 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>This event is what we call the &#8220;Fall&#8221;. As we will see, this fall has affected every man who has been born since. The dignity that man has as image bearers of God is still present, but it is infected with sin.</p>
<p><strong>Sin</strong></p>
<p>Let us briefly define sin. Sin is not a popular word, but it is impossible to be a Christian disciple without believing deeply in its reality. The Bible clearly says that <em>every </em>human has sinned.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 3:23" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%203.23/">Rom. 3:23</a><br />
&#8220;All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;all&#8221; here includes you.</p>
<p>Sin means, among other things, to &#8220;miss the mark.&#8221; It has the idea of overstepping boundaries. In short, sin is disobedience and rebellion against God. I don&#8217;t know if you have ever been involved in a national rebellion. I imagine most of you have not. A national rebellion is when people of a country seek to overthrow the leadership of that country. When we talk about sin, we are talking about humanity&#8217;s attempt to overthrow the command of God. It&#8217;s a divine coup d&#8217;etat, if you will. In one way or another, we don&#8217;t like God&#8217;s program so we attempt to replace him as leader. The replacement is always ourselves.</p>
<p>Sin is falling short of God&#8217;s perfection. God is perfect in every way. When we fail to live up to his perfections&#8212;when we disobey&#8212;we have set ourselves up as king and raised our own flag of supremacy over his. It is not as though we are trying to reach something that we are not tall enough to reach. It is that we <em>willfully </em>turn our backs on God&#8217;s plan. This is what happened when Adam and Eve decided that their judgment to eat the forbidden fruit was superior to that of God&#8217;s.</p>
<p><strong>Imputed Sin</strong></p>
<p>When Adam and Eve sinned, God could have done one of two things. He could have left man to his rebellious fate, the whole race being condemned to live a life in rebellion toward Go or he could have chosen to &#8220;fix&#8221; what was broken. If he had chosen the first option, man would be hopeless and God would still be righteous. But God chose a second way. God chose to redeem man. This redemption would need to provide forgiveness of sins and allow God to remain righteous all at once. God immediately initiated his plan to redeem the world through the sacrafice of his Son. He started to fix what man broke and replace the flag of man with his own.</p>
<p>When Adam sinned, the entire race of man was condemned with him. This is often referred to as &#8220;imputed sin&#8221;. &#8221;Imputed&#8221; is an accounting term. It is appropriate since we are all born with a debt. This debt is the dept created in Eden. This is a debt that every human, including you, have inherited directly from Adam and Eve.</p>
<p>Notice what Paul says:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 5:18-19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%205.18-19/">Rom. 5:18-19</a><br />
&#8220;Therefore, as one sin led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man&#8217;s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man&#8217;s obedience the many will be made righteous.</p>
<p>The one sin that led to condemnation (dept/imputation) for all men was the sin of Adam. You and I are born into a condemned human race.</p>
<p><strong>Inherited Sin</strong></p>
<p>It has often been said that our sinful nature is the primary Christian doctrine that can be empirically proved. In other words, it does not take long to recognize our tendency to rebel. Selfishness, laziness, hate, deception, sexual perversion, and anger are in our very genes. Just think about your own life for ten seconds and you will see what I mean. Why is this? The answer is found in a Christian doctrine called &#8220;inherited sin.&#8221; Just as you inherit certain traits from your parents (i.e. the color of your eyes, your height, and skin color), so you also inherit a tendency to rebel against God.</p>
<p>The best way to think of inherited sin is to see it as a spiritual infection. This infection, like a virus, spreads to all mankind. We are born with a sinful <em>inclination </em>or disposition. Just as you are born with a hunger for food, you are also born with a hunger for sin. We are born rebels. We can&#8217;t help but sin. Its in our nature. Listen to the words of the Psalmist:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 51:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2051.5/">Psalm 51:5</a><br />
&#8220;Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paul says that we are rebels &#8220;by nature&#8221;:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Eph. 2:3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph.%202.3/">Eph. 2:3</a><br />
&#8220;Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Jeremiah says we are hopeless in our condition:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Jer. 13:23" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Jer.%2013.23/">Jer. 13:23</a><br />
&#8220;Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just as we cannot change our genetics, the fall has infected us in such as way that we cannot change our sinful disposition.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: We were using accounting terms earlier. Let&#8217;s expand a bit here. Not only are you born with a massive debt in your bank account (one so large that it could never be paid off), we are also born with a spending habit. We are in debt and we, from the moment we are born, are making that debt greater.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Man was created good. <em>Everything </em>that God creates is good. We are in God&#8217;s image. We are <em>still </em>in God&#8217;s image (<a class="bibleref" title="Jam. 3:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Jam.%203.9/">Jam. 3:9</a>). But this image has been tainted, infected, and marred by sin. As a Christian disciple, we must come to a firm conclusion on our dignity <em>and </em>depravity. Our dignity is the result of God&#8217;s creative genius. Our depravity is a result of our sin. While there are good things that people do from a human standpoint (i.e. love their children, help the poor, stay off drugs), from the standpoint of our relationship with God, we are born rebels. Outside of God&#8217;s grace and mercy, there is no one who does good.</p>
<p>You must have a high view of humanity with respect to God&#8217;s creation, but a low view of humanity with respect to our standing before a perfect God. Therefore, pride and the Christian disciple do not mix.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 3:9-20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%203.9-20/">Romans 3:9-20</a> provide us with the most scathing understanding of where we stand. Allow me a bit of license here as I make this very personal!</p>
<p>&#8220;What then? Are you better than anyone else? Not at all. For we have already charged that all are all under sin; 10 as it is written, &#8220;You are not righteous, no one is; 11 You don&#8217;t understand. You don&#8217;t seek for God; 12 You have turned aside and become useless like everyone else. You do not do any good. There is not even one who does. 13 Your throat is an open grave. With your tongue you always lie. The poison of asps is under your lips. 14 Your mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. 15 Your feet are swift to shed blood. 16 Destruction and misery are in your path. 17 The path of peace you have not known. 18 There is no fear of God before your eyes.&#8221; 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, that your may be closed, and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because all the good works you can try to do will not justify you in His sight. The rules were given so that you would know you cannot keep them.</p>
<p>Do you get it? Dignity and depravity. Enlightenment leading to closed mouths. Not evolution, but devolution. Do you see our hopeless condition? Do you recognize that without God&#8217;s grace through Jesus Christ, we are helpless, hopeless, and without purpose? The Christian disciple must realize how sinful he or she really is in order to receive God&#8217;s mercy. You don&#8217;t just <em>kinda </em>need God&#8217;s help. God says we are all absolutely lost without it.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Questions I Hope No One Asks: Is God an Egotistical Maniac?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Whoever speaks, let him speak, as it were, the utterances of God . . . so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever.&#8221; <a class="bibleref" title="1 Peter 4:11" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Peter%204.11/">1 Peter 4:11</a></em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.&#8221; <a class="bibleref" title="1 Corinthians 10:31" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Corinthians%2010.31/">1 Corinthians 10:31</a> 31</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;It is absurd to believe that the deity has human passions, and one of the lowest human passions, a restless appetite for applause.&#8221; -David Hume</em></p>
<p>There is a popular notion among Evangelicals that I think has become part of our folklore. Indeed, it is the shibboleth (secret pass code) of my fellow Calvinists. When I call this &#8220;folklore&#8221; I don&#8217;t necessarily mean &#8220;not true&#8221; (as we will see), I simply mean that it is uncritically accepted without much thought. Many would say that God&#8217;s sole purpose, intent, and motivation for creating humanity and all of creation was for His own self-glorification. If you were to ask this question to God: &#8220;God, why did you create us?&#8221; His answer, without hesitation, would be, &#8220;Easy, to glorify myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many unbelievers will bring this up as a primary point of departure from the Christian faith. They would say that the Christian God is an egotistical maniac, only out for his own self-glory. As one person put it: &#8220;If I had a child I would not bring him into this world and say, &#8216;Congratulations, I created you to worship me&#8217;. I would not want a son simply to serve me.&#8221; He goes on, &#8220;I never asked to participate in this game of life. I was nothing and then I was created simply to serve him or I&#8217;d have to burn for eternity?&#8221; He goes on to accuse God of being egotistical, sharing in the most base traits of humanity. Is this true? Does God have a &#8220;relentless appetite for applause&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>Wrong Answers</strong></p>
<p><em>Wrong answer #1: Yes, God is an ego maniac. But it is okay since he is God.</em></p>
<p>This is the answer that many people would give (though not in so many words!). The idea is that being self-serving and demanding of recognition is acceptable so long as the recognition is warranted. What makes it bad for us is because we don&#8217;t deserve it. Therefore, God&#8217;s egotism is a &#8220;righteous egotism.&#8221; What is base and sinful for man is not so with God.</p>
<p>I am going to let you in on a little secret. I am from Oklahoma. We have a certain way of getting by with things here though the way we talk. We can sanctify many conversations by using certain qualifiers. For example, we can get by with any gossip by simply adding the words &#8220;God bless his/her/their soul&#8221; to the end of the sentence. &#8220;Did you hear about Bobby and Susan? They are having marital problems, God bless their soul.&#8221; &#8220;I hear that Rick is starting to drink again, God bless his soul.&#8221; I think we have something similar in Christianity. We can attribute just about anything to God so long as we tag it with the word &#8220;righteous.&#8221; God is vindictive, but it is a &#8220;righteous vindictiveness.&#8221; God is jealous, but it is a &#8220;righteous jealousy&#8221;. God is cruel, but it is a &#8220;righteous cruelty.&#8221; I think we need to be careful here. Sometimes these things are true such as God&#8217;s jealousy (<a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 5:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%205.9/">Deut. 5:9</a>). But simply placing the word &#8220;righteous&#8221; in from of it does not often do justice to what is trying to be said.</p>
<p>To say that God is egotistical or a glory monger <em>without lots of qualification</em> can do great damage to his character. It is not okay for us to ascribe attributes that do not fit God&#8217;s personality as revealed in Scripture.</p>
<p>However, let me first say this: God could very well be egotistical and self-consumed and we, as His creation, could not say anything to change that. We don&#8217;t have a vote in truth. Our ballots won&#8217;t get tallied in the heavens. God is who he is and we simply discover this. We don&#8217;t create him. But the fact still remains that even among the best and brightest of our kind, we do not honor glory mongers. Why? Because anyone who only seeks to draw attention to themselves is seen as a dysfunctional human who needs physiological help. We understand that one of the greatest characteristics that humans can possess is being focused upon others even in their own greatness. Do we really want to allow God to bear a great dysfunction and call it a virtue simply because His is deserving? I would be very careful with this.<span id="more-7126"></span></p>
<p>Theological Considerations: When we, without qualification, concede that God is only out for his own glory we can implicitly deny His aseity thus implying some sort of lack or need in God. The aseity of God is a doctrine which says God is without any need. Literally, he is &#8220;of himself.&#8221; This means that God does not need man in any way whatsoever. He was not in heaven twiddling his thumbs before creation and therefore decided to create us to avoid eternal boredom. It was not that God was lonely and needed companionship. Neither was God in need of someone to respond to him by giving him glory.</p>
<p>I love this passage of Scripture:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 50:7-12" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2050.7-12/">Psalm 50:7-12</a><br />
&#8220;Hear, O My people, and I will speak; O Israel, I will testify against you; I am God, your God. 8 &#8220;I do not reprove you for your sacrifices, And your burnt offerings are continually before Me. 9 I shall take no young bull out of your house Nor male goats out of your folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills. 11 I know every bird of the mountains, And everything that moves in the field is Mine. 12 If I were hungry I would not tell you, For the world is Mine, and all it contains.&#8221;</p>
<p>God does not need people&#8217;s sacrifices. God does not need people&#8217;s prayers. God does not need people&#8217;s love. God owns everything. He is fully self-satisfied. And God did not and does not need us to glorify Him. Unless qualified with the reality of God&#8217;s aseity, saying God created us to glorify himself will do more harm than good.</p>
<p>Analogous Consideration: Consider an analogy for a moment. The closest that you and I can come to understanding the motive for creation is in having children. We have the ability to decide whether or not to have children. While we are not the ultimate creator of our children, we do serve as secondary causes and, from a human standpoint, do have a choice to make in the decision making process. When Kristie and I decided to start having children, we had reasons. But what if someone were to ask me why I had my first daughter Katelynn and I said, &#8220;Because I wanted to glorify myself. My primary purpose is that she would one day know how great I am.&#8221; You would probably send me off somewhere in a paddy wagon and rightly so. But this is not the case. Kristie and I had Katelynn because it was a joy to share life with others. We receive great pleasure from this. We wanted someone to love, not necessarily someone who would love us. Katelynn will naturally respond in recognition of us and bring honor and glory to us so long as we deserve it. But our deserving of this does not equate to the motive behind our decision. I believe it is the same way with God. God is perfect and deserving of glory, and we, as His children, should recognize Him for who He is and thereby give Him glory. But this does not imply that His purpose in creation was for this end (again, unless qualified).</p>
<p>Biblical Consideration: If I were to hand a person a Bible who has never read it before and ask them to tell me why they think God created everything, I doubt that they would ever say at the end of the day, &#8220;The best I can tell is that God has created all things with the purpose that He receives glory.&#8221; What they would probably do is be overwhelmed by the generosity and mercy of God. I think the most natural conclusion from Scripture is to say that the God of the Bible created all of creation so that He could <em>share</em> of Himself. Therefore, generosity and grace would be the primary motive in creation, not self-glorification.</p>
<p>Notice, from the very beginning, God is seen as a giving God <em>with no explanation as to why</em>. I flip the pages of Scripture as if reading it for the first time and ask &#8220;Why is he doing all of this for man?&#8221; Adam was <em>given</em> life. God <em>gave</em> Adam the earth to rule over. He <em>gave</em> him the animals. If that weren&#8217;t enough, He then <em>gave</em> him Eve. Even when they rebelled, God initiated a plan to <em>give</em> man redemption. He <em>gave</em> them children and began to work through the line of one of them so that He could eventually <em>redeem</em> man who did not deserve to be redeemed. He <em>gave</em> Abraham a promise that He would be a father of many nations and that through him he would <em>give</em> the world a great blessing. When the fullness of time came, He <em>gave</em> His own Son over to a terrible death for man.</p>
<p>I am sorry, but I do not find an egotistical God whose sole unqualified purpose in creation is self-glorification. It is just not there, but maybe I have missed something.</p>
<p>But we are not done. If God is so concerned about some egotistical self-glorification, why is it that he is found consummating all things by <em>sharing </em>in his glory with us. Finally, when all is complete and the restoration of all things has come to pass, he <em>gives</em> his own <em>glory</em> over to humans.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him <em>so that we may also be glorified with Him</em>.&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 8:16-17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%208.16-17/">Romans 8:16-17</a>; emphasis added)</p>
<p>“And those he predestined, he also called; and those he called, he also justified; and those he justified, <em>he also glorified</em>.” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 8:30" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%208.30/">Romans 8:30</a>; emphasis added)</p>
<p>“Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.” (<a class="bibleref" title="Daniel 12:3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Daniel%2012.3/">Daniel 12:3</a>)</p>
<p>Shining like the stars is a vivid illustration of receiving glory. I do not believe that God is presented in the Scripture as one who is egotistically seeking to puff himself up. On the contrary, he is one who is continually giving of himself and sharing in his glory.</p>
<p><em>Wrong answer #2: No, God does not care about his own glory.</em></p>
<p>I think that this answer is just as bad as the first. God does care about his own glory. God <em>does</em> seek to be worshiped. God <em>does</em> demand the allegiance of every created thing. But the reason is not because he needs these things. Nor is it because he has this one small eternal vice. <em>The reason why he seeks his own glory because he wants all of creation to be brought into concert with reality</em>. He wants his beauty to be seen because he created us in such a way to find the most fulfillment and satisfaction in a recognition of <em>the way things actually are</em>. And the way things actually are is found in his glory.</p>
<p>Is it egotistical for the ocean to roar. Is it egotistical for the sun to shine so bright. Is it egotistical for romantic love to make our hearts drop? Is it egotistical for chocolate to make our mouth water? Is it egotistical for the expanse of the universe to cause us to stand in awe? Is it egotistical for sex to feel good? Is it egotistical for music to effect our emotions? Is it egotistical for the sky to be blue? Yes, all of these are attributes of impersonal things. But they all call out for recognition nonetheless. This recognition brings fulfillment to us, not to the things themselves. When we see a personal God who not only created all these things that beacon us to joyful recognition but is also the very embodiment of them calling on us to glorify him, he is doing nothing else but what is expected from a loving God. He is calling us to recognize him and his beauty. In doing so, we experience the greatest pleasure existence has to offer. His call for us to recognize him is nothing other than a call for our own ultimate fulfillment.</p>
<p>Not only this, but it brings glory to God to be who he is and to act out his character. When God says through the prophet Isaiah &#8220;Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created fo<em>r My glory</em>, whom I have formed, even whom I have made&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Isa. 4:7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Isa.%204.7/">Isa. 4:7</a>; emphasis mine), he is not talking about an egotistical trip that he went on at creation, but the glory that he receives by being who he is&#8212;the creator.</p>
<p><strong>My Answer:</strong></p>
<p>The reason why this made my list of questions that I hope no one asks is not because the answer is <em>that</em> mysterious. Neither is it because (like so many of these) I don&#8217;t <em>really</em> want anyone to ask it. It is because it takes some deep thinking and is so often misunderstood. God is not an egomaniac. Far from it. I think it is clear from Scripture that he is the most giving and loving God that we could imagine. He is a God who created us to share with us all things, including his glory.</p>
<p>While becoming man was the most humbling thing God has ever done (<a class="bibleref" title="Phil. 2:5-8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Phil.%202.5-8/">Phil. 2:5-8</a>), I think creating man has to come in a close second. He knew that man would reject him. He knew that without drastic intervention the very work of his hands, to whom he gave so much, would raise their fists in the air in defiance. He knew that he would have to sacrifice his own Son to rescue the ones who hated him. Yet he did it anyway. And we want to call that egotistical? An egotistical God would not have dared creating man knowing how much his ego would suffer from such a cause.</p>
<p>God&#8217;s purpose in creating us was to give to us life, love, and joy. His purpose in creating us was for us to share in his glory. He calls on us to worship, serve, and adore him precisely because he wants us to be fulfilled. His glory is reality. Our glorifying him is merely a recognition of that reality. Therefore, our purpose in life is to bring God ultimate glory in hopes that all of creation will be completely fulfilled.</p>
<p>“Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.” <a class="bibleref" title="1 Corinthians 10:31" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Corinthians%2010.31/">1 Corinthians 10:31</a><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Single Compensation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(by Lisa Robinson) In my attempts to completely ignore Valentine&#8217;s Day, the last thing I intended to do or thought I&#8217;d be doing is writing a post about singleness and V-Day.  Well, it&#8217;s not really about the day but more about singleness, that was prompted by something I heard on a Christian radio station this [...]]]></description>
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<p>In my attempts to completely ignore Valentine&#8217;s Day, the last thing I intended to do or thought I&#8217;d be doing is writing a post about singleness and V-Day.  Well, it&#8217;s not really about the day but more about singleness, that was prompted by something I heard on a Christian radio station this morning from a single mom regarding Valentine&#8217;s Day.  The mom started a tradition with her sons when they were young whereby the sons would go out on a date with mom.  She would even slip them money under the table so they could play the role of paying.  I gathered from the boys ages (now 18 and 20) and the length of time that she had been a single mom, that she started this &#8216;tradition&#8217; fairly early.</p>
<p>Now, I did not get enough information to assess what exactly the motivation was for setting these &#8216;date nights&#8217;.  So I can&#8217;t make judgments on whether the mom was looking for her boys to meet an emotional need that was missing from the absence of a significant other, whether she was trying to instruct her boys in the art of dating or whether she just thought it would be a cool thing to do.  While I can maybe see some positive motivation, overall this did not sit right with me and I realized it is indicative of a much deeper issue in the Church &#8211; how we handle singleness.</p>
<p>Unless you are truly content with your single status, for must of us, including myself, there is a sense that something is missing.  It doesn&#8217;t matter, how content you are with yourself, how devoted you are to the Lord or the work of ministry, how social you are, how busy you are, to varying degrees there is something inside of us that wants a mutual, loving relationship with another person.</p>
<p>I am going to suggest, the reason we feel that loss is because we were designed to be in communion with the opposite sex in ways designed by God.  When God said it is not good that man should be alone,  he created male and female with the intent of the highest form of an intimate relationship through oneness by the marital union. (<a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1:27; 2:18-25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201.27%3B%202.18-25/">Genesis 1:27; 2:18-25</a>).   It is a reflection of the love Christ has for His church (<a class="bibleref" title="Ephesians 5:25-27" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ephesians%205.25-27/">Ephesians 5:25-27</a>).  The desire to love and be loved, is endemic to our humanity.  Is it any wonder why those cited in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201/">Romans 1</a> who have rejected the revelation of God,  end up with inordinate affections towards one another (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:24-27" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.24-27/">Romans 1:24-27</a>)?<span id="more-7073"></span></p>
<p>In a fallen world, this ideal scenario will be ravaged by many factors, mainly generated from our own sinfulness.  The damage that results from broken relationships, abuse or loss directly opposes the very thing we were designed for.  This is why there can even be loss experienced in disharmonious marital relationships, that may even feel worse than if there was no relationship.  When that happens,  it does leave a hole that can motivate actions to mitigate the loss.   The Church is certainly not exempt.</p>
<p>What I have observed across the evangelical landscape and through my own experiences, is that we compensate for this absence in a variety of ways &#8211; some good but mainly not so good.   We compensate by assigning the desire as idolatrous or unspiritual or a lack of devotion to the Lord.  We compensate through a variety of singles activities or single parent clustering.  We compensate by implanting surrogate spousal relationships, such as I have written in <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/06/god-as-my-husband/">God as My Husband?</a> post.  We compensate by making our children fill roles they were not designed to fill.  We compensate through subtle belittling or even rejection of the marriage institution, which does suggest an infiltration of a worldly philosophy.  We compensate through an elevated love of self.    We compensate by rejecting our need of others.  We compensate to ignore the very thing that taps on our heart telling us that something is missing.</p>
<p>I would suggest, the honest and even healthy thing to do is to recognize the absence for what it is.  It doesn&#8217;t mean a lack of devotion (although it could), it doesn&#8217;t mean you are unspiritual and it doesn&#8217;t mean you have an idolatrous view of relationships.  It means you are experiencing the absence of something that should be there.  God can and does work through the absence to turn the attention towards Him but that does not negate the reality of the absence.  The very thorn of that absence is the one whereby we learn the sufficiency of grace (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Corinthians 12:7-8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Corinthians%2012.7-8/">2 Corinthians 12:7-8</a>) and learn to trust in the finish work of the cross even greater, prompting an even greater love for the Lord.  The absence can provoke Christian maturity in ways that only God can design.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know for what reason this lady wanted to have &#8216;dates&#8217; with her son, but rest assured that won&#8217;t be me.  My son is my son and should never fill the role of a spouse.  Lord willing, there is a spot reserved for that godly mate that would occupy that absence.  But in the meantime, I will trust that God is working out His purposes through it for His glory and my growth.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Is the New Birth in the Old Testament? or Why Was Christ So Hard On Nicodemus in John 3:10?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John 3:1-10 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, &#8220;Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
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Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, &#8220;Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.&#8221; 3 Jesus answered him, &#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.&#8221; 4 Nicodemus said to him, &#8220;How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother&#8217;s womb and be born?&#8221; 5 Jesus answered, &#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, &#8216;You must be born again.&#8217; 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.&#8221; 9 Nicodemus said to him, &#8220;How can these things be?&#8221; 10 Jesus answered him, &#8220;Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?</p>
<p>One of the most difficult issues in Bible interpretation is to understand how the New Testament uses the Old. I have in front of me a massive commentary called <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801026938?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=reclaimingthe-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0801026938">Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament</a></em> edited by C.K. Beale and D.A. Carson. It is a great work which seeks to give answers about how New Testament writers used the Old Testament. Sometimes it is very difficult to determine how the Old Testament is being used in the New. When it comes to Christ&#8217;s rebuke of Nicodemus in <a class="bibleref" title="John 3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%203/">John 3</a>, even the best of New Testament scholars are often perplexed, wondering what Christ meant when he rebuked Nicodemus concerning his ignorance.</p>
<p>In the above passage, Christ is talking about the new birth. To make things as simple as I can, Christ tells Nicodemus that no one can enter God&#8217;s kingdom unless he has been born again. This idea of being born again can also mean &#8220;born from above.&#8221; Nicodemus, though desirous to go against the grain of Jewish leadership and follow Christ, is confused by Christ&#8217;s teaching. He takes him quite literally believing that Christ is saying that we must pass through the birth canal twice. He responds with what seems to be a valid question to Christ&#8217;s confusing and, seemingly, radical statement. &#8220;How can these things be?&#8221;</p>
<p>Christ does not miss a beat in lowing the hammer on Nicodemus&#8217; ignorance. &#8220;Are you the teacher of Israel and you don&#8217;t know these things?&#8221; In other words, Nicodemus was the theology professor of the day. He was a leader of the congregation of Israel. He was supposed to know these things! How could he lead without know this basic truth?</p>
<p>Concerning this John Calvin adds to the rebuke:</p>
<blockquote><p>As Christ sees that he is spending his time and pains to no purpose in teaching so proud a man, he begins to reprove him sharply. And certainly such persons will never make any progress, until the wicked confidence, with which they are puffed up, be removed. . . But still Nicodemus, with all his magisterial haughtiness, exposes himself to ridicule by more than childish hesitation about the first principles. Such hesitation, certainly, is base and shameful. For what religion have we, what knowledge of God, what rule of living well, what hope of eternal life, if we do not believe that man is renewed by the Spirit of God? (Calvin&#8217;s Commentaries: <a class="bibleref" title="John 3:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%203.10/">John 3:10</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>But how was Nicodemus supposed to know these things? Why does Christ come down so hard on him? Was the new birth taught in the Old Testament? If so, where?</p>
<p>These are good questions. The first thing we may try to do is find some parallel with such teaching explicitly taught in the Old Testament. New Testament scholars have offered some possibilities:<span id="more-6739"></span></p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Jeremiah 31:33" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Jeremiah%2031.33/">Jeremiah 31:33</a><br />
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, &#8216;Know the LORD,&#8217; for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Jer 31:33" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Jer%2031.33/">Jer 31:33</a> ESV)</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Ezekiel 11:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ezekiel%2011.19/">Ezekiel 11:19</a><br />
And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. (<a class="bibleref" title="Eze 11:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eze%2011.19/">Eze 11:19</a> ESV)</p>
<p>If, indeed, these are the passages that Christ was speaking of then the process of being &#8220;born again/from above&#8221; would carry the connotation of a &#8220;new beginning&#8221; (Kostenberger, <em>John</em>, ECNT, 123). However, while I certainly see the redemptive theme present in both these passages, I don&#8217;t see the radical idea of being &#8220;birthed&#8221; again being explicit enough to bring about Christ&#8217;s rebuke.</p>
<p>Other passages proposed by scholars include <a class="bibleref" title="Isa. 29:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Isa.%2029.10/">Isa. 29:10</a>, <a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 30:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2030.6/">Deut. 30:6</a>, <a class="bibleref" title="Ps. 51" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ps.%2051/">Ps. 51</a>: 6, and <a class="bibleref" title="Ps. 51:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ps.%2051.10/">Ps. 51:10</a>. I even heard a message from a prominent Old Testament professor who linked this text to <a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 87:4-7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2087.4-7/">Psalm 87:4-7</a>, believing that the new birth is <em>explicitly</em> alluded to there. However, I think it is a bit of a stretch to attempt to find <em>explicit</em> reference to the new birth in any one Old Testament passage. Nevertheless, I am not arguing against Jesus. Nicodemus <em>should have</em> known about the new birth. Nicodemus should not have been surprised. As the &#8220;teacher of Israel&#8221; his hope and teaching should have been grounded here.</p>
<p>So where do we find the new birth in the Old Testament? I am glad you asked. While I don&#8217;t believe that there is any one passage of Scripture we can point to, I do believe there is a <em>theological theme</em> throughout the entire Old Testament that necessitates Christ&#8217;s new birth theology. It goes all the way back to the fall. The first time that death is mentioned in the Bible is in <a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 2:17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%202.17/">Gen. 2:17</a> where God warns Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge: &#8220;But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.&#8221; The consequence of eating the tree was death. Just one chapter later, Adam and Eve both ate from the tree, but they did not die. In fact, Adam lived 930 years! How is it that he died &#8220;the day&#8221; he ate of it?</p>
<p>Theologians have wrestled with this question for some time. It would seem that the best answer we can give is that death entered into the human condition on that day in two ways: 1) Man was forced out of the Garden and no longer had access to the tree of life (<a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 3:22-23" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%203.22-23/">Gen. 3:22-23</a>). In this sense, that day they were prevented from eternal life and therefore that day death began. 2) Most importantly for our purpose here, the day they ate of the tree of life they died spiritually. Let me state the obvious: spiritual death is the opposite of spiritual life. Throughout the Scriptures humanity is shown to be in its natural condition spiritually dead. &#8220;And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,&#8221; &#8220;But God . . . made us alive together in Christ&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Eph. 2:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph.%202.4/">Eph. 2:4</a>). Since the spiritual death of the first man, Adam, every human ever born has been still-born spiritually. This is what theologians refer to as &#8220;imputed sin.&#8221; Because of our connection with the sin and death of Adam, we too have inherited sin and death (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 5:17-19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%205.17-19/">Rom. 5:17-19</a>).</p>
<p>Being born again is nothing less that a complete restoration of spiritual life. All of humanity was separated from God in Eden. Through the cross that separation was bridged. In Adam we have the imputation of sin and death. Through Christ we have the imputation of righteousness and life. We are either found death in Adam or alive in Christ.</p>
<p>Nicodemus was rebuked not because there was a particular passage in the Old Testament that escaped his notice, but because he was unaware of humanities spiritual condition since <a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%203/">Gen. 3</a>. Nicodemus should have known that people must be born again in order to inherit eternal life and enter the Kingdom precisely because he should have know that they were dead. The only hope for a dead man is resurrection. The only hope for spiritually dead people is to be born again or &#8220;from above.&#8221;</p>
<p>While Christ&#8217;s rebuke of Nicodemus was harsh, it is nothing less than a rebuke for a failure to acknowledge the utter helpless condition that all of humanity faces outside of Christ. The new birth was just as necessary for people in the Old Testament is it is for all people. </p>
<p>If I am right and Christ&#8217;s rebuke of Nicodemus is due to his theological ignorance, this should serve as a stern warning for many of those out there who see our identification with Adam as something that can be sacrificed. Imputed sin is the reason why we are dead. Our deadness is the reason why we need to be born again. The sad thing is that I believe there are many prominent leaders in the church today who would say to Christ &#8220;How can these things be?&#8221; due to their neglect of the reality of humanities still-born condition.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>The Voice of Reason: Decision Making and Spirit-Led Direction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, I have been confronted with some rather significant decisions.  As one who is committed to Christ as Lord and Savior, naturally these are things I have brought to God in prayer, looking for his will and guidance.  At the same time, I have had to think through ramifications of varying options and scenarios and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, I have been confronted with some rather significant decisions.  As one who is committed to Christ as Lord and Savior, naturally these are things I have brought to God in prayer, looking for his will and guidance.  At the same time, I have had to think through ramifications of varying options and scenarios and gauge what is the reasonable thing to do given what I believe is consistent with the witness of scripture and the place where God has me currently situated.  In short, I have confronted these decisions prayerfully, with the voice of reason.</p>
<p>Now some might object and believe that we need to rely on what God tells us to do.  That relying on reason and engaging our mental faculties is the same as relying on human wisdom and understanding apart from the spiritual understanding that comes from divine direction.  After all, doesn&#8217;t <a class="bibleref" title="Proverbs 3:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Proverbs%203.5/">Proverbs 3:5</a> indicate to not lean to our own understanding, but acknowledge the Lord in all our ways?  Most certainly it does.  But I don&#8217;t think that means that engaging in a thought process involving reason is not engaging spiritual guidance.  In fact, I am convinced that God very much operates through reason, too.</p>
<p>As Christians, we are told in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 12:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%2012.2/">Romans 12:2</a> to not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing our minds.   Conformity to the world involves a mindset of identity.   Prior to regeneration, the believer can only follow the mindset that does not set affections on God or his ways (<a class="bibleref" title="Ephesians 2:1-3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ephesians%202.1-3/">Ephesians 2:1-3</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 8:7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%208.7/">Romans 8:7</a>).  It relies on a philosophy of the pattern of this world, which is keeping with human understanding and that which is sourced in self-interest.  The renewed mind understands that life decisions must be filtered through a new lens.  We are subject to a different standard that is keeping with who we are as citizens of heaven, indwelt with the Holy Spirit who provides illumination on how to bring life into alignment with God&#8217;s will and ways.  So as we think about life and all of its decisions, we should be in touch with that identity and what is in its best interest.</p>
<p>It does raise the question of how the Holy Spirit works in the faculties of the believer.  Does the Holy Spirit provide guidance by bypassing our thought process and just mechanically gives us answers and directives?   Or does the Holy Spirit invade the mind and influence our thoughts so that they align with the will of God?  I suppose that answer will rest on where one stands on the composition of our humanity, whether dichotomist (body and soul/spirit) or trichotomist (body, soul and spirit).   I also wonder that if we take the position that the Holy Spirit speaks to us separate from our mental faculties, if that means we are responsible for some decisions but God is responsible for others.  That does present some difficulties that I can&#8217;t even wrap my mind around at the moment.</p>
<p>I honestly believe that adopting the mentality that divine guidance must come through that &#8216;small still voice&#8217; or some other form of receiving a direct answer can be counter-productive to an authentic Christian life that must confront decisions on a daily basis &#8211; big and small.  I am not saying that God does not operate that way or there aren&#8217;t &#8216;impressions&#8217; that are convictions of a direction that God would have us take.   But he did give us mental faculties to use that should be used to honor him.  If he just gave us the answer, how then would we grow and make choices that demonstrate our love for him?  Moreover, the fact that convictions come in the form of thoughts, I believe makes for a compelling case that the Holy Spirit very much works through out mental faculties, which we then should use for the glory of God in the decisions that we make.  In fact, I am of the opinion that the voice we ascribe to God speaking can actually be the Holy Spirit bearing on our own thoughts, which is what we may possibly hear.</p>
<p>If we are just listening to the voice separate from any type of mental engagement, then what is to prevent someone who is mentally challenged with proclivities towards distorted thought processes from declaring some divine directive that is nothing more than a product of that distortion?  I do believe that God can work through mental illness but that doesn&#8217;t prevent the impact that misunderstood and misapplied guidance can have those who are subject to that decision.  In fact, I have encountered ministries that I believe were either founded upon the spiritual leadership or run by someone who was mentally unstable.  As one who is not trained in this area, I can only speculate but I would bet money that this is far more prevalent than we probably think.</p>
<p>If the Holy Spirit can operate through the voice of reason, I suspect that the conscience very much plays a role in this facilitation.  The NT writers use the word conscience  (συνειδησις) 29 times and is associated with an inward conviction that aligns with a mindset that our thoughts, words or actions are consistent with our identity as believers in Christ.   The Greek-English lexicon (BDAG) renders the meaning of the word as &#8220;an inward faculty of distinguishing right and wrong&#8221;.   A few examples are here</p>
<p><strong><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 2:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%202.15/">Romans 2:15</a></strong> &#8211; in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them.</p>
<p><strong><a class="bibleref" title="1 Corinthians 8:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Corinthians%208.10/">1 Corinthians 8:10</a></strong> &#8211; For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol&#8217;s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols?</p>
<p><strong><a class="bibleref" title="2 Corinthians 5:11" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Corinthians%205.11/">2 Corinthians 5:11</a></strong> &#8211; Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.</p>
<p><strong><a class="bibleref" title="Hebrews 9:14" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Hebrews%209.14/">Hebrews 9:14</a></strong> &#8211; how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.</p>
<p>It seems that everywhere conscience is used, it denotes that inward conviction that must bear on our decisions but nowhere denies the existence of decisions or having to think through what is the reasonable and God-honoring thing to do.  But several of the verses where &#8216;conscience&#8217; is used indicates the need to keep it clear (<a class="bibleref" title="Acts 23:1; 24:9; 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2023.1%3B%2024.9%3B%201/">Acts 23:1; 24:9; 1</a> <a class="bibleref" title="Timothy 1:5, 19; 3:9; 2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Timothy%201.5%2C%2019%3B%203.9%3B%202/">Timothy 1:5, 19; 3:9; 2</a> <a class="bibleref" title="Timothy 1:3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Timothy%201.3/">Timothy 1:3</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Hebrews 10:22; 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Hebrews%2010.22%3B%201/">Hebrews 10:22; 1</a> <a class="bibleref" title="Peter 3:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Peter%203.16/">Peter 3:16</a>).  It&#8217;s why I believe Paul warns that the spiritually wayward will have a seared conscience (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Timothy 4:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Timothy%204.2/">1 Timothy 4:2</a>) that prevents subjection to God and his ways and how it can distort decisions we make.</p>
<p>So the bottom line is that I don&#8217;t think we should fear the voice of reason or relegate to a product of non-spiritual human understanding.  If our thoughts are filtered through the grid of prayer, scripture and an attitude of subjection to Christ, I believe the Holy Spirit can use them to align with the very direction that God would have us take as we think through what to do.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>A Calvinist&#8217;s Understanding of &#8220;Free-Will&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many words and concepts in theology that suffer from misunderstanding, mis-characterization, and misinformation. “Predestination,” “Calvinism,” “Total Depravity,” “Inerrancy,” and “Complementarianism”, just to name a few that I personally have to deal with. Proponents are more often than not on the defensive, having to explain again and again why it is they don’t mean [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many words and concepts in theology that suffer from misunderstanding, <img class="alignright" style="float: right;" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/free-will.jpg" alt="" />mis-characterization, and misinformation. “Predestination,” “Calvinism,” “Total Depravity,” “Inerrancy,” and “Complementarianism”, just to name a few that I personally have to deal with. Proponents are more often than not on the defensive, having to explain again and again why it is they don’t mean what people <em>think</em> they mean.</p>
<p>The concept of “free will” suffers no less with regard to this misunderstanding. Does a person have free will? Well, what do <em>you</em> mean by “free will”? This must always be asked.</p>
<p>Do you mean:</p>
<ol>
<li>That a person is not <em>forced</em> from the <em>outside</em> to make a choice?</li>
<li>That a person is <em>responsible</em> for his or her choices?</li>
<li>That a person is the <em>active agent</em> in a choice made?</li>
<li>That a person is free to do <em>whatever </em>they desire?</li>
<li>That a person has the ability to choose <em>contrary to their nature</em> (who they are)?</li>
</ol>
<p>Calvinists, such as myself, <em>do</em> believe in free will and we <em>don’t </em>believe in free will. It just depends on what you mean.</p>
<p>When it comes to the first three options, most Calvinist would agree that a person is not forced to make a choice, is responsible for their choices, and is the active agent behind those choices. They would reject the forth believing that a person is <em>not </em>free to do <em>whatever </em>they desire (for example, no matter how much one desires, he or she cannot read the thoughts of another person, fly without wings, or transport from one location to another just by thinking about the desired location).<span id="more-3920"></span></p>
<p>It is important to note at this point, there is no conflict. No matter what theological persuasion you adhere to, most of historic Christianity has agreed that the first three are true, while the fourth is false.</p>
<p>It is with the fifth option there is disagreement.</p>
<p><strong>Does a person have the ability to choose against their nature?</strong></p>
<p>This question gets to the heart of the issue. Here we introduce a new and more defined term (hang with me here): “Libertarian Free-will” or “Libertarian Freedom.” <em>Libertarian</em> freedom can be defined briefly thus:</p>
<p><strong>Libertarian Freedom: “The power of contrary choice.”</strong></p>
<p>If you ask whether a person can choose against their nature (i.e. libertarian freedom) the answer, I believe, must be “no.” A person’s nature makes up who they are. <em>Who they are</em> determines their choice. If there choice is determined, then the freedom is <em>self</em>-limited. Therefore, there is no “power” of contrary choice for we cannot identify what or who this “power” might be. I know, I know . . . slow down. Let me explain.</p>
<p>First, it is important to get this out of the way. To associate this denial of libertarian freedom exclusively with Calvinism would be misleading. St. Augustine was the first to deal with this issue in a comprehensive manner. Until the forth century, it was simply assumed that people were free and responsible, but they had yet to flesh out what this meant. Augustine further elaborated on the Christian understanding of freedom. He argued that people choose according to who they are. If they are good, they make good choices. If they are bad, they make bad choices. These choices <em>are </em>free, they just lack liberty. In other words, a person does not become a sinner because they sin, they sin because they are a sinner. It is an issue of nature first. If people are identified with the fallen nature of Adam, then they will make choices similar to that of Adam because it is who they are. Yes, <em>they</em> are making a free choice, but this choice does not include the liberty or freedom of contrary choice.</p>
<p>What you have to ask is this: If “free will” means that we can choose against our nature (i.e. the power of contrary choice), if “free will” means that we can choose against <em>who we are</em>, what does this mean? What does this look like? How does a free person make a choice that is contrary to who they are? <em>Who</em> is actually making the choice? What is “free will” in this paradigm?</p>
<p>If one can choose according to who they are not, then they are not making the choice and this is not really freedom at all, no? Therefore, there is, at the very least, a <em>self</em>-determinism at work here. This is a limit on free will and, therefore, a necessary denial of true libertarian freedom.</p>
<p>Think about all that goes into making “who you are.” We are born in the fallen line of Adam. Spiritually speaking we have an inbred inclination toward sin. All of our being is infected with sin. This is called “total depravity.” Every aspect of our being is infected with sin, even if we don’t act it out to a maximal degree.</p>
<p>But even if this were not the case,—even if total depravity were a false doctrine—libertarian freedom would still be untenable. Not only are you who you are because of your identification with a fallen human race, but notice all these factors <em>that you did not choose </em>that go into the set up for any given “free will” decision made:</p>
<ul>
<li>You did not choose when you were to be born.</li>
<li>You did not choose where you were to be born.</li>
<li>You did not choose your parents.</li>
<li>You did not choose your influences early in your life.</li>
<li>You did not choose whether you were to be male or female.</li>
<li>You did not choose your genetics.</li>
<li>You did not choose your temperament.</li>
<li>You did not choose your looks.</li>
<li>You did not choose your body type.</li>
<li>You did not choose your physical abilities.</li>
</ul>
<p>All of these factors play an influencing role in who you are at the time of any given decision. Yes, your choice is free, but it has <em>you</em> behind them. Therefore, you are free to choose according to <em>you</em> from whom you are not able to free yourself!</p>
<p>Now, I must reveal something here once again that might surprise many of you. This view is held by both Calvinists and Arminians alike. Neither position believes that a person can choose against their nature. Arminians, however, differ from Calvinists in that they believe in the doctrine of prevenient grace, which essentially neutralizes the will so that the inclination toward sin&#8212;the antagonism toward Gog&#8212;is relieved so that the person can make a true “free will” decision.</p>
<p>However, we still have some massive difficulties. Here are a couple:</p>
<p><strong>A neutralized will amounts to <em>your</em> absence from the choice itself.</strong></p>
<p>Changing the nature of a person so that their predispositions are neutral does not really help. We are back to the question <em>What does a neutralized will look like</em>? Does it erase all of the <em>you</em> behind the choice? If you are neutralized and liberated from you, then who is making the choice? How can you be held responsible for a choice that you did not really make, whether good or bad?</p>
<p>A neutralized will amounts to perpetual indecision. Think about this, if a person had true libertarian freedom, where there were no coercive forces, personal or divine, that influenced the decision, would a choice ever be made? If you have no reason to choose A or B, then neither would ever be chosen. Ronald Nash illustrates this by presenting a dog who has true libertarian freedom trying to decide between two bowls of dog food. He says that the dog would end up dying of starvation. Why? Because he would never have any reason to choose one over the other. It is like a balanced scale, it will never tilt to the right or the left unless the weights (influence) on one side is greater than the other. Then, no matter how little weight (influence) is added to a balanced scale, it will always choose accordingly.</p>
<p><strong>A neutralized will amounts to arbitrary decisions, which one cannot be held responsible for.</strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>For the sake of argument, let’s say that libertarian choice could be made. Let’s say that the dog did choose one food bowl over the other. In a truly libertarian sense, this decision cannot have influences of any kind. Any decision without influences is arbitrary. It would be like flipping a coin. I chose A rather than B, not because of who I am, but for <em>no reason at all</em>. It just turned out that way. But this option is clearly outside a biblical worldview of responsibility and judgment. Therefore, in my opinion, the outcome for the fight for true libertarian free-will comes at the expense of true responsibility!</p>
<p>In conclusion: while I believe in free will, I don’t believe in <em>libertarian</em> free will. We make the choices we make because of who we are. We are responsible for these choices. God will judge each person accordingly with a righteous judgment.</p>
<p>Is there tension? Absolutely. We hold in tension our belief in God’s sovereignty, determining who we are, when we live, where we will live, who our parents will be, our DNA, etc. and human responsibility. While this might seem uncomfortable, I believe that it is not only the best biblical option, but the only philosophical option outside outside of fatalism, and we don’t want to go there.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Acts 17:26-28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2017.26-28/">Acts 17:26-28</a><br />
“From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’”</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/10/why-i-reject-the-arminian-doctrine-of-prevenient-grace-2/" rel="bookmark" title="October 18, 2010">Why I Reject the Arminian Doctrine of Prevenient Grace</a></li>
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		<title>Special Theology Unplugged: So What is an Online Theology Program Session Really Like?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Hunter</dc:creator>
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<p>We are three weeks in to our Spring 2009 (2) semester. Michael thought it would be a good idea to record the session from last night to give everyone a better idea of what our online classes are like.</p>
<p>Listen in to this episode of Theology Unplugged as Michael teaches session 3 of Humanity and Sin where he discusses Anthropological Dualism, Philosophical Dualism, and a few other big theological words <img src='http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>We hope this will give you a bit of insight into what the online sessions are like and also give you an idea of what you can expect if you enroll in the <a href="http://store.reclaimingthemind.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=elective05">upcoming Robert Bowman class &#8220;Science and the Bible&#8221;</a>.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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We are three weeks in to our Spring 2009 (2) semester. Michael thought it would be a good idea to record the session from last night to give everyone a better idea of what our online classes are like.
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		<title>Thank You God for Imputing Adam’s Sin to Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the situation that was concluded from the last post: We are born with a propensity,&#160;bent, inclination&#160;to sin.&#160;Because of this, we&#160;sin&#8212;it is our nature. Yet when we do&#160;act according to our nature and sin, we are held guilty by God and ultimately condemned to eternal punishment. Not only this, but we are already condemned [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Here is the situation that was concluded from the <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/24/a-short-defense-of-imputation/">last post</a>: We are born with a propensity,&nbsp;bent, inclination&nbsp;to sin.&nbsp;Because of this, we&nbsp;sin&mdash;it is our nature. Yet when we do&nbsp;act according to our nature and sin, we are held guilty by God and ultimately condemned to eternal punishment. <em>Not only this</em>, but we are <em>already</em> condemned for the sin of another&mdash;namely Adam&mdash;before we commit any personal sins. We are held guilty for something someone else did. Umm . . . can someone say &ldquo;check please.&rdquo; I did not vote for this. I did not ask to be this way. I did not even have a chance.&nbsp;I am sorry, this just&nbsp;<em>seems</em> unjust.</p>
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<p>It is not hard to see why unbelievers scoff at such a foreign and seemingly cruel proposal. As well, it is not difficult to see why believers would decide to either remain agnostic concerning these issues or change their theology to look more Pelagian. Seriously. This is not an easy subject. We must understand how absolutely shocking this seems.</p>
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<p>As Pascal put it, the flow of guilt seems unjust. Seeing as how the most difficult interpretation presented during this series has been adopted and defended, how do&nbsp;we dodge the obvious stumbling blocks? How do we avoid the unjust conclusion that we are held guilty for the sin of another? Or do we just bite our tongue, hold our nose, and swallow it? Certainly, no one would complain about the fairness of the imputation of Christ&rsquo;s righteousness, but the idea that condemnation is first imputed to all people <em>with no distinction</em> is difficult to grasp.</p>
<p>Before I propose a resolution, I would like to&nbsp;say something important. You&nbsp;and I do not have a vote in truth. <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/03/29/the-palatability-of-a-doctrine-does-not-determine-its-veracity/">Whether or not something is palatable does not determine whether or not it is true</a>.&nbsp;We do not create God in <em>our</em> image. God could have been an evil God and&nbsp;He would still be God. He has never asked for a raise of hands on anything. He did not create a democracy which determines&nbsp;His attributes or actions.&nbsp;If He were to create each person and send them directly to Hell just for fun, then&nbsp;the truth of such circumstances, while grotesque, would still be true.&nbsp;In short, there is nothing you or I can do to change anything. It would seem that our&nbsp;postmodern culture, while bringing some good critique and questions, has begun to settle itself in a position in which God&nbsp;is created with first regards to&nbsp;the level of their emotional acceptability. This, while nice, is not a luxury that is justifiable nor possessing integrity (ok, enough of that for now&mdash;another blog).&nbsp;</p>
<p>Having said this, I am thankful that God is not such a God. I am thankful that without my vote, He is a loving, gracious, and merciful Father.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Now, I would like to propose a possible resolution to our current subject of imputed sin by&nbsp;using St. Thomas Aquinas&rsquo; hierarchy of angels as an illustration. Hang with me; <em>this is just an illustration that is not necessarily meant to be a parallel truth</em>.</p>
<p>Aquinas developed a system of angels in which every angel is created with a distinct nature. According to Aquinas, there is no distinct <em>species</em> named &ldquo;angels.&rdquo; What we refer to collectively as angels are all actually individual distinct creations of God. Because they do not reproduce of themselves there&nbsp;is no spiritual or physical relation to one another. This is why Aquinas believed that there is no redemption for angels (<a class="bibleref" title="Heb 2:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Heb%202.16/">Heb 2:16</a>). According to Aquinas, if Christ <em>were</em> to redeem the angels, He would have to identify with the angels in every way. Seeing as how each angel is a distinct species, He could not become one single species called &ldquo;angels&rdquo; in order to redeem the entire group. In order to redeem them, in theory, He would have to become each individual angel and die for them one at a time. Why? Because there is no solidarity found in angels for there to be a representation.</p>
<p>Whether or not Aquinas&rsquo; proposal about angels has any truth to it makes no difference for our present discussion; again, it is simply being used as a illustration. What is important is that Christ <em>could</em> become the species &ldquo;man.&rdquo; Since man&rsquo;s being is linked with that of Adam in both physicality and spirituality, Christ could represent&nbsp;the entire human race all&nbsp;at once. Because <em>we</em> are vitally linked to the first Adam, we can be vitally linked to the &ldquo;second Adam,&rdquo; Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>At this point some may say that it is unfair because the proportions are different in those related to Adam and those related to Christ. While all men are related to the condemnation of Adam, not all men are related to the justification in Christ.</p>
<p>While this may be true, it might still be understood as a gracious act of God that we were all linked together with the first Adam. I propose that it was not a necessary act of God to link us with the first Adam. Nor do I believe that it was the natural outcome for Adam&rsquo;s posterity to be linked with him in death, sin, or condemnation. God, <em>in theory</em>, could have let each individual person have the same chance in the Garden as he did with Adam. He could have caused each person to be born without any connection to Adam whatsoever. Each individual would be its own species. Each would have been an individual creation who, if and when they sinned, would not be connected to anyone before or after. In this manner, the fall would come on an individual basis, not corporate. Each person would be linked to only one person, himself or herself. Each person&rsquo;s condemnation would be his or her own. There would be no linkage to the rest of humanity. Each person would be spiritually and physically autonomous. This being the case, Christ could not represent &ldquo;mankind&rdquo; because there would be no man <em>kind</em>. There would be no solidarity to make any representation functional. We would be like the angels of Aquinas&rsquo; hierarchy without a redeemer.</p>
<p>I believe that God, in his grace, knowing that when given the chance, each individual would follow Adam in his sin, declared all people guilty of Adam&rsquo;s sin, thereby creating a solidarity. This solidarity&nbsp;made&nbsp;humanity redeemable by a representative. Christ could only redeem mankind all at once because mankind fell in Adam all at once. Therefore, God allowed all men to sin &ldquo;in and with&rdquo; Adam (federal headship view). By an act of grace, knowing that all would choose the same as Adam, God imputed Adam&rsquo;s sin to humanity. The link was graciously made initially in Adam so that it might be made the second time in Christ.</p>
<p>If this is the case, we see that there was a unique solidarity that is found in Adam that cannot be parallel to any other. It is true, as the Bible says, that the son will not suffer for the sins of his father:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Ezekiel 18:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ezekiel%2018.20/">Ezekiel 18:20</a> 20 &ldquo;The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father&rsquo;s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son&rsquo;s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.</p>
<p>Yet this passage has no application to our present issues since it is dealing with individual sins, not corporate sins from a representative of the entire human race. <em>Adam was humanity</em>. <em>Humanity</em> fell. <em>Humanity</em> was condemned for this sin. <em>Humanity</em> was punished with spiritual and physical death. <em>Humanity</em> inherited&nbsp;the sinful inclination&nbsp;and humanity is held guilty for the fall. This is why the sins of another cannot be imputed to us the same way. But this is why Christ, being fully God and fully man, could represent the new race of humanity. This is why Christ is called the &ldquo;second Adam.&rdquo;</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="1 Corinthians 15:45" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Corinthians%2015.45/">1 Corinthians 15:45</a> So also it is written, &ldquo;The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.&rdquo; The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.</p>
<p>I believe very strongly that we are born with a sinful nature within a condemned race. We are guilty along with Adam (humanity)&nbsp;and God had every right to turn His back on Adam (humanity), because in Adam, humanity turned its back on God.&nbsp;Because of this sin,&nbsp;humanity stands condemned in a state of&nbsp;spiritual and&nbsp;physical death. Yet God, in mercy and grace, intervened and sent a Second representative who imputes righteousness instead of condemnation, hope instead of dread, life instead of death.</p>
<p>This is why I can say &ldquo;Thank You God for Imputing Adam&rsquo;s Sin to Me.&rdquo;</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/08/are-we-condemned-for-the-sin-of-another-part-2/" rel="bookmark" title="August 22, 2007">Are we Condemned for the Sin of Another? (Part 2)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/08/are-we-condemned-for-the-sin-of-another-part-1/" rel="bookmark" title="August 22, 2007">Are we condemned for the sin of another? (Part 1)</a></li>
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		<title>The Scent of a Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considering the topic as of late, I thought that this might even be better to lighten the mood a bit before round two (I have no idea where this comes from, but have been using it for years.) Let&#8217;s say a guy named Roger is attracted to a woman named Elaine. He asks her out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the topic as of late, I thought that this might even be better to lighten the mood a bit before round two <img class="wp-smiley" alt=":)" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" /> (I have no idea where this comes from, but have been using it for years.)</p>
<p>Let&rsquo;s say a guy named Roger is attracted to a woman named Elaine. He asks her out to a movie; she accepts; they have a pretty good time. A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They continue to see each other regularly, and after a while neither one of them is seeing anybody else.</p>
<p>And then, one evening when they&rsquo;re driving home, a thought occurs to Elaine, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: &ldquo;Do you realize that, as of tonight, we&rsquo;ve been seeing each other for exactly six months?&rdquo;</p>
<p>And then there is silence in the car. To Elaine, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: Geez, I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he&rsquo;s been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I&rsquo;m trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn&rsquo;t want, or isn&rsquo;t sure of.</p>
<p>And Roger is thinking: Gosh. Six months.</p>
<p>And Elaine is thinking: But, hey, I&rsquo;m not so sure I want this kind of relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I&rsquo;d have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily toward &hellip; I mean, where are we<br />going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that level of commitment? Do I really even know this person?<span id="more-781"></span></p>
<p>And Roger is thinking: &hellip; so that means it was&hellip; let&rsquo;s see&hellip;. February when we started going out, which was right after I had the car at the dealer&rsquo;s, which means &hellip; lemme check the odometer &hellip; Whoa! I am way overdue for an oil change here.</p>
<p>And Elaine is thinking: He&rsquo;s upset. I can see it on his face. Maybe I&rsquo;m reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed- even before I sensed it-that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that&rsquo;s it. That&rsquo;s why he&rsquo;s so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He&rsquo;s afraid of being rejected.</p>
<p>And Roger is thinking: And I&rsquo;m gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don&rsquo;t care what those morons say, it&rsquo;s still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It&rsquo;s 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like a darn garbage truck, and I paid those incompetent thieves $600.</p>
<p>And Elaine is thinking: He&rsquo;s angry. And I don&rsquo;t blame him. I&rsquo;d be angry, too. I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can&rsquo;t help the way I feel. I&rsquo;m just not sure.</p>
<p>And Roger is thinking: They&rsquo;ll probably say it&rsquo;s only a 90-day warranty. That&rsquo;s exactly<br />what they&rsquo;re gonna say, the scumballs.</p>
<p>And Elaine is thinking: Maybe I&rsquo;m just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I&rsquo;m sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centered, schoolgirl romantic fantasy.</p>
<p>And Roger is thinking: Warranty? They want a warranty? I&rsquo;ll give them a darn warranty. I&rsquo;ll take their warranty and stick it right up their</p>
<p>&ldquo;Roger,&rdquo; Elaine says aloud.</p>
<p>&ldquo;What?&rdquo; says Roger, startled.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Please don&rsquo;t torture yourself like this,&rdquo; she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. &ldquo;Maybe I should never have &hellip; Oh my, I feel so &hellip;&rdquo; (She breaks down, sobbing.)</p>
<p>&ldquo;What?&rdquo; says Roger.</p>
<p>&ldquo;I&rsquo;m such a fool,&rdquo; Elaine sobs. &ldquo;I mean, I know there&rsquo;s no knight. I really know that. It&rsquo;s silly. There&rsquo;s no knight, and there&rsquo;s no horse.&rdquo;</p>
<p>&ldquo;There&rsquo;s no horse?&rdquo; says Roger.</p>
<p>&ldquo;You think I&rsquo;m a fool, don&rsquo;t you?&rdquo; Elaine says.</p>
<p>&ldquo;No!&rdquo; says Roger, glad to finally know the correct answer.</p>
<p>&ldquo;It&rsquo;s just that &hellip; It&rsquo;s that I &hellip; I need some time,&rdquo; Elaine says.</p>
<p>(There is a 15-second pause while Roger, thinking as fast as he can, tries to come up with a safe response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might work.)</p>
<p>&ldquo;Yes,&rdquo; he says. (Elaine, deeply moved, touches his hand.)</p>
<p>&ldquo;Oh, Roger, do you really feel that way?&rdquo; she says.</p>
<p>&ldquo;What way?&rdquo; says Roger.</p>
<p>&ldquo;That way about time,&rdquo; says Elaine.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Oh,&rdquo; says Roger. &ldquo;Yes.&rdquo; (Elaine turns to face him and gazes deeply into his eyes, causing him to become very nervous about what she might say next, especially if it involves a horse. At last she speaks.)</p>
<p>&ldquo;Thank you, Roger,&rdquo; she says.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Thank you,&rdquo; says Roger.</p>
<p>Then he takes her home, and she lies on her bed, a conflicted, tortured soul, and weeps until dawn, whereas when Roger gets back to his place, he opens a bag of Doritos, turns on the TV, and immediately becomes deeply involved in a rerun of a tennis match between two<br />Czechoslovakians he never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind tells him that something major was going on back there in the car, but he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, and so he figures it&rsquo;s better if he doesn&rsquo;t think<br />about it. (This is also Roger&rsquo;s policy regarding world hunger.)</p>
<p>The next day Elaine will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours.</p>
<p>In painstaking detail, they will analyze everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, expression, and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every possible ramification. They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it, either.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Roger, while playing racquetball one day with a mutual friend of his and Elaine&rsquo;s, will pause just before serving, frown, and say: &ldquo;Norm, did Elaine ever own a horse?&rdquo;</p>
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