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		<title>&#8220;Sinners&#8221; Who Are Forgiven or &#8220;Saints&#8221; Who Sin? &#8211; Robert Saucy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the portfolio of my Christian life, there are a few events, lessons, and people who stand out and deserve a page in my &#8220;book.&#8221; There are many things that stand out prominently in my spiritual education as causing me to have one of those &#8220;ah ha&#8221; moments: Chet Lackey, my pastor from age 16-21. Mark Hitchcock&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the portfolio of my Christian life, there are a few events, lessons, and people who stand out and deserve a page in my &#8220;book.&#8221; There are many things that stand out prominently in my <em>spiritual education </em>as causing me to have one of those &#8220;ah ha&#8221; moments: Chet Lackey, my pastor from age 16-21. Mark Hitchcock&#8217;s sermon on Matt. 7:14 in 1993. Chuck Swindoll&#8217;s book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400202930/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=reclaimingthe-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1400202930">Grace Awakening</a></em> (and the Insight for Living broadcasts) in 1994. John Hannah&#8217;s Church History courses at DTS (really, it was just John Hannah!). Leslie Newbingen&#8217;s <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802808565/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=reclaimingthe-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802808565">Proper Confidence</a></em> in 2006. I could go on.</p>
<p>Below is an article I was assigned to read in my Spiritual Formation group at DTS. I have looked and looked for it for years (as I lost my Spiritual Formation workbook), but could not find it. But a friend just sent it to me a few days ago! It is called <em>&#8220;Sinners&#8221; who are forgiven or &#8220;Saints&#8221; who sin? </em>and it definitely belongs in my portfolio.  The author is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Saucy">Robert Saucy</a>. It&#8217;s long, but well worth the read. I hope you enjoy.</p>
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<p>&#8220;Sinners&#8221; Who Are Forgiven or &#8220;Saints&#8221; Who Sin? &#8211; Robert Saucy</p>
<p>The question of the true identity of the Christian has been the topic of discussion for some time. Although not directly framed as a question of identity, the issues of self-love, self-esteem, and self-worth all relate in some way to the question, &#8220;Who am I?&#8221; This question has been posed more sharply in the alternatives, &#8220;Am I as a Christian basically a sinner who is forgiven, or a saint who sins?&#8221;</p>
<p>The first of these alternatives may be associated with what Warfield favorably termed &#8220;miserable-sinner Christianity.&#8221;<sup>1</sup> He referred to it this way because similar terminology runs through Protestant confessional formulas and catechisms.<sup>2</sup> Luther&#8217;s Short Catechism, for example, teaches the believer to say, &#8220;I, miserable sinner, confess myself before God guilty of all manner of sins.&#8221; A Lutheran Confession of Sin reads:</p>
<p>I, poor sinful man, confess to God, the Almighty, my Creator and Redeemer, that I not only have sinned in thoughts, words and deeds, but also was conceived and born in sin, and so all my nature and being is deserving of punishment and condemnation before His righteousness. Therefore I flee to His gratuitous mercy and seek and beseech His grace. Lord, be merciful to me, miserable sinner.</p>
<p>A similar expression is found in the prayers of the Church of England. After acknowledging sinfulness and declaring that &#8220;there is no health in us,&#8221; the prayer closes with the petition, &#8220;But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders.&#8221; One of the most rhetorical expressions of the concept of &#8220;miserable-sinner Christianity&#8221; is given by the Scottish minister, Alexander Whyte, in his work Bunyan Characters.</p>
<p>Our guilt is so great that we dare not think of it. It crushes our minds with a perfect stupor of horror, when for a moment we try to imagine a day of judgment when we shall be judged for all the deeds that we have done in the body. Heart-beat after heart-beat, breath after breath, hour after hour, day after day, year after year, and all full of sin; all nothing but sin from our mother&#8217;s womb to our grave.<sup>3</sup></p>
<p>It would be wrong to take such a statement as necessarily signifying &#8220;miserable Christianity&#8221; rather than &#8220;miserable-sinner Christianity.&#8221; Many of those who confessed their situation in this way knew how to flee to the grace of God and find the joy of forgiveness. But such statements would also seem to color the self-understanding of believers as to their basic nature.</p>
<p>An example of the alternative understanding of Christian identity as a &#8220;saint who sins&#8221; is a statement by Neil Anderson in one of his popular books.<span id="more-10061"></span></p>
<p>Many Christians refer to themselves as sinners saved by grace. But are you really a sinner? Is that your scriptural identity? Not at all. God doesn&#8217;t call you a sinner; He calls you a saint—a holy one. Why not identity yourself for who you really are: a saint who occasionally sins?<sup>4</sup></p>
<p>If the word &#8220;occasionally&#8221; is excluded from Anderson&#8217;s statement, there is truth in both alternatives of the question. Believers are sinners in that they continue to sin, but Scripture also refers to them as saints. Believers therefore are sinners who by God&#8217;s grace are forgiven, and they are saints who sin.</p>
<p>Thus in a sense Christians have a kind of double identity. But this does not mean they are schizophrenic or multiple persons. Each believer is one person, one ego or &#8220;I&#8221;.  The Apostle Paul wrote, &#8220;I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Gal 2:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gal%202.20/">Gal 2:20</a>). There was only one &#8220;I&#8221; and one Paul throughout this transition. The question of the believer&#8217;s identity is therefore the question of the identity of that ego or &#8220;I.&#8221; And it would seem that that identity must be related to the actual nature and behavior of that ego. If the nature and activity of the person is primarily sinful, then it is difficult not to see his core identity as a &#8220;sinner.&#8221; On the other hand if the believer&#8217;s nature and activity is primarily holy, then that person&#8217;s real identity is that of a &#8220;saint.&#8221;</p>
<p align="center"><strong>The Believer&#8217;s Positive Identity</strong></p>
<p>Consideration of the scriptural description of the believer and his activity obviously reveals a mixture of sin and holiness. But when the focus is on the actual description of the person&#8217;s identity, the picture is decidedly positive. Even in the Old Testament, believers are described as living with a heart of integrity, soundness, and uprightness (e.g., <a class="bibleref" title="1 Kings 8:61; 9:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Kings%208.61%3B%209.4/">1 Kings 8:61; 9:4</a> {1 Kgs 9:4}; Pss. 78:72 {<a class="bibleref" title="Ps 78:72" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ps%2078.72/">Ps 78:72</a>}; 119:7 {<a class="bibleref" title="Ps 119:7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ps%20119.7/">Ps 119:7</a>}). This of course does not mean that they were sinless or unaware of their sin. But they had a heart and life that was fundamentally devoted to God. Turning to the New Testament, Christians are frequently addressed as &#8220;saints&#8221; (e.g., <a class="bibleref" title="Acts 9:32" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%209.32/">Acts 9:32</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Eph 1:1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph%201.1/">Eph 1:1</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Col 1:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Col%201.2/">Col 1:2</a>). This surely has reference to their status in Christ, but other descriptions reveal that it also denotes something about their nature. Believers in the Lord are &#8220;sons&#8221; and &#8220;children of God&#8221; which, along with speaking of position or status, also depicts something of the nature of believers who are now oriented toward righteousness (<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 2:29-3:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%202.29-3.2/">1 John 2:29-3:2</a> {<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 3:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%203.2/">1 John 3:2</a>}). Those in Christ are also called &#8220;light&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Eph 5:8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph%205.8/">Eph 5:8</a>) and &#8220;sons of light&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Thess 5:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Thess%205.5/">1 Thess 5:5</a>), which means &#8220;they are characterized by light&#8221; as a result of the &#8220;transformation that takes place when anyone believes.&#8221;<sup>5</sup></p>
<p>The believer is part of the &#8220;new creation&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Cor 5:17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Cor%205.17/">2 Cor 5:17</a>). He has put off the &#8220;old man&#8221; and put on the &#8220;new man&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Col 3:9-10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Col%203.9-10/">Col 3:9-10</a>; cf. <a class="bibleref" title="Rom 6:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%206.6/">Rom 6:6</a>). This transition refers to the believer&#8217;s transference from the old corporate humanity under the headship of Adam to the new humanity with Christ as Head. But it also has reference to a change in the individual.<sup>6 </sup>Pointing to the imagery used of putting off and putting on clothing, Lincoln rightly explains that this &#8220;change of clothing imagery signifies an exchange of identities, and the concepts of the old and the new persons reinforce this.&#8221;<sup>7</sup> Since the appellation &#8220;new man&#8221; also has reference to the individual, the descriptions of it as &#8220;created in righteousness and holiness of the truth&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Eph 4:24" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph%204.24/">Eph 4:24</a>) and &#8220;being renewed according to the image of the One who created him&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Col 3:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Col%203.10/">Col 3:10</a>) both have reference to the individual believer. Thus Bruce says, &#8220;The new man who is created is the new personality that each believer becomes when he is reborn as a member of the new creation whose source of life is Christ.&#8221;<sup>8</sup> Putting off the old man and putting on the new are related to the teaching of the believer&#8217;s death and resurrection with Christ (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 6:4-6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%206.4-6/">Rom 6:4-6</a>).<sup>9</sup> In codeath and coresurrection the individual&#8217;s identity is radically changed. The old &#8220;I&#8221; dies and the new &#8220;I&#8221; rises in newness of life (<a class="bibleref" title="Gal 2:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gal%202.20/">Gal 2:20</a>).</p>
<p>These descriptions of the Christian clearly indicate a positive identity and refer not only to status but also to the nature of the believer. This conclusion is borne out by the fact that the apostolic exhortation to new ethical behavior is made directly on the basis of the believer&#8217;s new identity. The apostles were not grounding their hope for a new behavior simply on a new position or status, but on a new nature which can produce new actions. True, these actions are due to the life of God in the believer and are called &#8220;the fruit of the Spirit.&#8221; But at the same time they are the product of the believer even as the fruit of the vine is the fruit of the branches (<a class="bibleref" title="John 15:2-5,16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%2015.2-5%2C16/">John 15:2-5,16</a>). The exhortations to new ethical life are based on the principle Jesus taught that &#8220;good fruit&#8221; is borne by &#8220;good trees&#8221; (Matt 7:17). The nature as well as the identity of the believer is therefore seen as primarily &#8220;good.&#8221;</p>
<p>These descriptions of the believer point in the direction of the root identity of the Christian as &#8220;a saint who sins,&#8221; rather than &#8220;a sinner who is saved.&#8221; But that is not the whole of the matter. Practical experience as well as biblical teaching still relate the believer to sin. Consideration of the identity of the believer therefore cannot avoid discussion of his relationship to sin.</p>
<p align="center"><strong>The Believer&#8217;s Relation to Sin</strong></p>
<p>Believers Still Sin</p>
<p>It is not difficult to convince most believers from Scripture as well as from experience that sin is still a part of their existence. They sometimes act carnally (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor 3:1-3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor%203.1-3/">1 Cor 3:1-3</a>). The promise of continual cleansing of sin as they walk in the light (<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 1:7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%201.7/">1 John 1:7</a>) as well as the present tense used for the confession of sins (1:9 {<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 1:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%201.9/">1 John 1:9</a>}) suggest that sin is continually present with believers. To say &#8220;we have no sin,&#8221; John wrote, is self-deception and impossible for believers (1:8 {<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 1:8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%201.8/">1 John 1:8</a>}). Although the personal identity of the believer is in Christ, and thus in the new man which is being transformed into His image, the manner of life of the old man remains a part of the believer&#8217;s experience. This is why Paul directed believers to put off the practices of the old man (<a class="bibleref" title="Eph 4:22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Eph%204.22/">Eph 4:22</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Col 3:8-9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Col%203.8-9/">Col 3:8-9</a>).</p>
<p>Calvin&#8217;s statement of what Christians ought to be should convince any believer that he or she has not attained sinlessness. &#8220;Since all the capacities of our soul ought to be so filled with the love of God,&#8221; he said, &#8220;it is certain that this precept [to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind] is not fulfilled by those who can either retain in the heart a slight inclination or admit to the mind any thought at all that would lead them away from the love of God into vanity.&#8221;<sup>10</sup> &#8220;There remains in a regenerate man a moldering cinder of evil, from which desires continually leap forth to allure and spur him to commit sin.&#8221;<sup>11</sup></p>
<p>Does this true but rather bleak perspective make the identity of the believer a &#8220;sinner&#8221; as well as a &#8220;saint&#8221; so that he or she is actually both? Interestingly, although the New Testament gives extensive evidence that believers sin, it never clearly identifies believers as &#8220;sinners.&#8221; Paul&#8217;s reference to himself in which he declared, &#8220;I am foremost&#8221; of sinners is often raised to the contrary (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim 1:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim%201.15/">1 Tim 1:15</a>). Guthrie&#8217;s comment on Paul&#8217;s assertion is illustrative of a common understanding of Paul&#8217;s statement and what should be true of all believers. &#8220;Paul never got away from the fact that Christian salvation was intended for sinners, and the more he increased his grasp of the magnitude of God&#8217;s grace, the more he deepened the consciousness of his own naturally sinful state, until he could write of whom I am chief (pro,tos).&#8221;<sup>12</sup></p>
<p>Despite the use of the present tense by the apostle, several things make it preferable to see his description of himself as &#8220;the foremost of sinners&#8221; as a reference to his preconversion activity as an opponent of the gospel. First, the reference to himself as &#8220;sinner&#8221; is in support of the statement that &#8220;Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners&#8221; (v. 15 {<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim 1:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim%201.15/">1 Tim 1:15</a>}). The reference to &#8220;the ungodly and sinners&#8221; a few verses earlier (v. 9 {<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim 1:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim%201.9/">1 Tim 1:9</a>}) along with the other New Testament uses of the term &#8220;sinners&#8221; for those who are outside of salvation<sup>13</sup> shows that he was referring to &#8220;sinners&#8221; whom Christ came to save rather than believers who yet sinned.</p>
<p>Second, Paul&#8217;s reference to himself as a &#8220;sinner&#8221; is followed by the statement, &#8220;And yet I found [past tense] mercy&#8221; (v. 16 {<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim 1:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim%201.16/">1 Tim 1:16</a>}), clearly pointing to the past occasion of his conversion. Paul was grateful for God&#8217;s mercy toward him, &#8220;the foremost of sinners.&#8221; A similar present evaluation of himself based on the past is seen when the apostle wrote, &#8220;I am [present tense] the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God&#8221; (1 Cor</p>
<p>15:9). Because of his past action, Paul considered himself unworthy of what he presently was by God&#8217;s grace and mercy, an apostle who was &#8220;not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Cor 11:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Cor%2011.5/">2 Cor 11:5</a>; cf. 12:11 {<a class="bibleref" title="2 Cor 12:11" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Cor%2012.11/">2 Cor 12:11</a>}).</p>
<p>Declaring that he was &#8220;the foremost of sinners,&#8221; the apostle also declared that Christ had strengthened him for the ministry, having considered him &#8220;faithful&#8221; or &#8220;trustworthy&#8221; for it, to which He had called him (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim 1:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim%201.2/">1 Tim 1:2</a>). As Knight concludes, &#8220;Paul regards this classification of himself as `foremost of sinners&#8217; as still valid (eijmi, present tense); though he is fully forgiven, regarded as faithful, and put into service, he is still the notorious opponent who is so received.&#8221;<sup>14</sup> Thus the apostle was not applying the appellation &#8220;sinner&#8221; to himself as a believer, but rather in remembrance of what he was before Christ took hold of him.</p>
<p>James&#8217; reference to turning &#8220;a sinner&#8221; from the error of his ways is also best seen as bringing someone into salvation rather than restoring a genuine believer to repentance (<a class="bibleref" title="James 5:19-20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/James%205.19-20/">James 5:19-20</a>).</p>
<p>Though the erring one is described as one &#8220;among you,&#8221; the</p>
<p>resultant outcome of saving the soul of the turned &#8220;sinner&#8221; from &#8220;death,&#8221; which is most likely spiritual death, suggests that the person was not a Christian.<sup>15</sup> Scripture surely teaches that unbelievers can be &#8220;among&#8221; the saints (cf. <a class="bibleref" title="1 John 2:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%202.19/">1 John 2:19</a>).</p>
<p>This is not to say that in the Scriptures believers did not see themselves as sinful. Confrontation with the righteousness and holiness of God frequently brought deep acknowledgment of an individual&#8217;s own sinful condition. Peter&#8217;s recognition of himself before the Lord as a &#8220;sinful man&#8221; is not uncommon among the saints (<a class="bibleref" title="Luke 5:8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%205.8/">Luke 5:8</a>; cf. <a class="bibleref" title="Gen 18:27" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen%2018.27/">Gen 18:27</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Job 42:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Job%2042.6/">Job 42:6</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Isa 6:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Isa%206.5/">Isa 6:5</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Dan 9:4-20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Dan%209.4-20/">Dan 9:4-20</a>). The believer is sinful, but Scripture does not seem to define his identity as a &#8220;sinner.&#8221;</p>
<p>Believers Are Opposed to Sin</p>
<p>Instead of being identified as a &#8220;sinner,&#8221; the real person or &#8220;I&#8221; of the believer is opposed to sin. Before salvation the &#8220;I&#8221; or the &#8220;ego&#8221; of the believer, like the &#8220;I&#8221; of all &#8220;sinners,&#8221; was in radical rebellion against the true God. Now the &#8220;I&#8221; of the believer is on God&#8217;s side seeking to mortify the rebellion that is still present in the believer. Several truths combine to teach this new identity of the believer and his change of nature.</p>
<p>First, death and resurrection with Christ severed the believer from sin. The believer&#8217;s participation in Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection is a way in which Paul expressed the change that takes place when one becomes a Christian. According to the most extensive explanation of this truth in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%206/">Romans 6</a>, the primary significance of this transaction is the change of dominions over the believer. Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection signify (a) death to the old age of sin and its dominion and (b) resurrection to a new sphere ruled by God. These objective realities take place in Christ as the Head of the new humanity much like His actions as the Head of the corporate &#8220;new man.&#8221;<sup>16</sup> But also like the transfer from the &#8220;old&#8221; to the &#8220;new&#8221; man, Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection apply subjectively to the person of the believer who participates with Him.</p>
<p>In <a class="bibleref" title="Rom 6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%206/">Rom 6</a> Paul is not simply concerned with the two dominions, but with the decisive transfer of the believer from the one dominion to the other. The believers were enslaved to sin, but now they stand under a new master. This change has taken place through dying with Christ&#8230;. Dying with Christ means dying to the powers of the old aeon and entry into a new life under a new power.<sup>17</sup></p>
<p>The believers&#8217; union with Christ in His death and resurrection transforms them not just legally but also personally. As the person&#8217;s</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8221; previously had a nature that willingly chose to serve sin, now he or she is a new &#8220;I&#8221; who willingly chooses God. Paul&#8217;s testimony was that having been crucified with Christ, he now lived in such union with Him that his &#8220;I&#8221; could hardly be separated, not just legally but morally. Paul&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8221; was willingly united with Christ, who continually and willingly obeyed the Father&#8217;s will. As Bonar said, &#8220;The cross, then, makes us decided men. It brings both our hearts and our wills to the side of God.&#8221;<sup>18</sup></p>
<p>Second, the transformation of the believer in the change of dominions over him through dying and rising with Christ is further seen in the biblical concept of having a &#8220;new heart.&#8221; As Jewett explains, &#8220;A characteristic of the heart as the center of man is its inherent openness to outside impulses, its directionality, its propensity to give itself to a master and to live towards some desired goal.&#8221;<sup>19</sup> This characteristic stems from the fact that Christians as finite persons can live only in &#8220;radical dependence on otherness.&#8221;<sup>20</sup></p>
<p>Most significantly, as Jewett noted, what the heart takes in becomes its master, stamping the heart with its character. What truly determines the heart and consequently the person is therefore the nature of the desire of the heart. After defining the heart as &#8220;our center, our prefunctional root, &#8221; Kreeft adds, &#8220;at this center we decide the meaning of our lives, for our deepest desires constitute ourselves, decide our identity.&#8221;<sup>21</sup></p>
<p>According to Scripture the deepest desire of the believer has been changed. This truth is seen in the apostle&#8217;s words to the Galatians: &#8220;And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, `Abba! Father!&#8217;&#8221; (4:6 {<a class="bibleref" title="Gal 4:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gal%204.6/">Gal 4:6</a>}). The cry, &#8220;Abba! Father!&#8221; is typical of a son and represents the believer&#8217;s most basic relationship with God. This cry is determined by the presence of the Spirit who brings Christ the Son into the center of one&#8217;s personality to live within his or her heart. &#8220;The center of man is thus his heart; the heart&#8217;s intentionality [or desire] is determined by the power which rules it. In the case of Christian[s], the direction of the heart&#8217;s intentionality is determined by Christ&#8217;s Spirit.&#8221;<sup>22</sup></p>
<p>The desire or intentionality of the human heart is in reality its love. As Augustine noted, love is what moves an individual. A person goes where his love moves him. His identity is determined by his love. The identity of the believer is thus a person who basically loves God rather than sin.</p>
<p>The presence of sin in the life of the believer indicates that remnants of the old disordered love of self remain. But those remnants now stand at the periphery of the real core of the person who is redeemed, God-oriented, and thus bent toward righteousness in his nature. &#8220;God begins his good work in us, therefore, by arousing love and desire and zeal for righteousness in our hearts; or, to speak more correctly, by bending, forming, and directing, our hearts to righteousness.&#8221;<sup>23</sup></p>
<p>This core of the new person is often not evident in conscious life, but it is nevertheless the dominating aspect of his being. As Delitzsch notes, there is a kind of will of nature that is basically self-consciously unreflected. This deep will of nature precedes the conscious actions of the person. The will of the believer has been changed through regeneration despite the fact that remnants of the old life still remain and continue to express themselves. The action of regeneration is directed not so much to &#8220;our occasional will, as to the substance of our will,</p>
<p>i.e. to the nature and essence of our spiritual being.&#8221;<sup>24</sup> Thus the regenerate individual in the depth of his heart is changed; he has a nature oriented toward God. Although the person can still sin, this sin is related to a more surface level of his being which can still act contrary to the real person of the heart. But these surface actions do not change the real nature of the heart and thus the person&#8217;s identity. The relationship of the real core nature of the human heart to its more surface activities is seen in Pedersen&#8217;s discussion of the &#8220;soul&#8221; or what is perhaps better termed the heart.</p>
<p>It [the soul] is partly an entirety in itself and partly forms an entirety with others. What entireties it is merged in, depends upon the constant interchange of life.</p>
<p>Every time the soul merges into a new entirety, new centres of action are formed in it; but they are created by temporary situations, only lie on the surface and quickly disappear. There are other entireties to which the soul belongs, and which live in it with quite a different depth and firmness, because they make the very nucleus of the soul. Thus there may be a difference between the momentary and the stable points of gravity in the soul. But none of the momentary centres of action can ever annul or counteract those which lie deeper.</p>
<p>The deepest-lying contents of the soul are, it is true, always there, but they do not always make themselves equally felt.<sup>25</sup></p>
<p>This understanding of the human heart helps explain the practice of sin in the believer&#8217;s life as well as the &#8220;good&#8221; in the life of the unbelieving sinner. The true nature of the person does not always express itself fully in actual life. But the basic identity of the individual is still there, and in the case of the believer it is positive.</p>
<p>Third, this same truth is seen in the positive nature of the ego or &#8220;I&#8221; of <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 7:14-25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%207.14-25/">Romans 7:14-25</a>. Paul&#8217;s description of the &#8220;I&#8221; in this passage suggests that it refers to someone who has experienced the regenerative grace of God. Also this person is viewed in relation to the law of God apart from the empowerment of the Spirit of God. It could thus have reference to a Christian living according to the flesh in his own strength,<sup>26</sup> or more probably to the experience of the pious Jew living under the Mosaic Law viewed from a Christian perspective.<sup>27</sup></p>
<p>Of interest in this passage is the description of the &#8220;I&#8221; which is solidly on God&#8217;s side. If what is said of this &#8220;I&#8221; or ego could refer to a pious Jew living under the Old Covenant, how much more would it be fitting for the believer of the New Covenant as part of the new creation through union with Christ. Considering the actions of the &#8220;I,&#8221; all three dimensions normally seen as constituting personhood, that is, thought, emotion, and will, are all oriented toward God and His righteous law. Regarding the element of thought, the apostle wrote in 7:15 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.15/">Rom 7:15</a>}, &#8220;For that which I am doing, I do not understand,&#8221; or perhaps better with Cranfield, &#8220;I do not acknowledge&#8221; or &#8220;approve.&#8221;<sup>28</sup> In other words his thinking was opposed to his action of sin. This is also seen in verse 25 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.25/">Rom 7:25</a>}: &#8220;I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but with my flesh the law of sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>His emotion is likewise seen to be on God&#8217;s side in opposition to sin. &#8220;I am doing the very thing I hate&#8221; (v. 15 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.15/">Rom 7:15</a>}). As Dunn puts it, &#8220;he wholly detests and abhors what he does.&#8221;<sup>29</sup> If hatred is the opposite of love, then his love is directed toward righteousness. A further expression of emotion is indicated in verse 22 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.22/">Rom 7:22</a>}. &#8220;I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also his will or volition is for God and against sin. &#8220;What I want [or `will,' qevlw] to do,&#8221; Paul wrote, &#8220;I do not do. I have the desire [qevlein] to do what is good&#8221; (vv. 15,18 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207/">Rom 7</a>}, NIV). The verb qevlein is used seven times in the passage, the last when he described himself as &#8220;the one who wishes to do good&#8221; (v. 21 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.21/">Rom 7:21</a>}).</p>
<p>These descriptions of the personal attributes of the &#8220;I&#8221; clearly define it as one with a positive nature. But more than this, the apostle went so far as to absolve, as it were, the &#8220;I&#8221; from sinning: &#8220;if I do the very thing I do not wish to do no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which indwells me&#8221; (vv. 16-17 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207/">Rom 7</a>}; cf. the same thought in v. 20 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.20/">Rom 7:20</a>}).</p>
<p>Since the same passage clearly shows the &#8220;I&#8221; as the subject of sinful actions as well as being opposed to sin, the apostle was not trying to evade the personal responsibility of the &#8220;I&#8221; in sin. But when the &#8220;I&#8221; is related to sin, it is never described in terms of the functions of personhood. There are no equal statements of thought, emotion, and will on the side of sin. Paul did not say, &#8220;I want to do the will of God, but I also want to sin.&#8221; Nor did he say, &#8220;I love the law of God, but I also love sin.&#8221; Thus the &#8220;I&#8221; that is positively oriented toward God is the person in the deepest sense of his personhood or identity. He is the &#8220;I&#8221; of the &#8220;inner man&#8221; (v. 22 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.22/">Rom 7:22</a>}), the &#8220;I&#8221; that is the subject of the &#8220;mind&#8221; (v. 25 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.25/">Rom 7:25</a>}).</p>
<p>The assertion that it is no longer &#8220;I&#8221; but sin that actually does the sinning is similar to other apparently contradictory statements of the apostle when he was referring to the dominating power that mastered him: &#8220;it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Gal 2:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gal%202.20/">Gal 2:20</a>); &#8220;I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor 15:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor%2015.10/">1 Cor 15:10</a>; cf. Matt 10:20). In these statements Paul was not intending to disavow responsibility, but to affirm the existence in himself of a power that exercised a dominating influence on him. The real person of the believer willingly assents to this dominating power, but in the case of sin as in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%207/">Romans 7</a> the real &#8220;I&#8221; opposes it and can thus be set against it. Here the ego or real &#8220;I&#8221; in the believer is viewed as so opposed to sin that they can be isolated from each other. And the actual committing of sin, instead of being the action of the ego can be regarded as the action of the sin that enslaves the ego contrary to its will. As Delitzsch says, &#8220;the Ego is no longer one with sin-it is free from it; sin resides in such a man still, only as a foreign power.&#8221;<sup>30</sup></p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%207/">Romans 7</a> thus presents the real person of the believer as positive. To be sure, he commits sin both in thought and act but he also does righteousness. Sin and righteousness, however, do not characterize the real person of the believer in the same way. The believer is capable of experiencing a double servitude expressed in the apostle&#8217;s words, &#8220;on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin&#8221; (v. 25 {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 7:25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%207.25/">Rom 7:25</a>}).<sup>31</sup> But as this statement, along with the entire passage, indicates, the real person of the believer willingly serves God.</p>
<p>The description of the believer in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%207/">Romans 7</a> thus fits the same picture of the believer seen in the teaching of his death and resurrection with Christ and his new heart. The Christian has been radically changed in his relationship to sin and righteousness from what he was before salvation. And this change is more than simply positional or judicial consisting in the forgiveness of sin and the imputation of righteousness. It includes a radical change of nature. The Christian is a new person. He has a new heart which is the real identity of the person.</p>
<p align="center"><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The full picture of the believer&#8217;s relationship to sin and righteousness is obviously beyond the scope of this study. But when the question of his identity is posed-is the Christian a saved sinner or a saint who sins?-the Scriptures seem to point to the latter.</p>
<p>There is truth in the following explanation of so-called &#8220;miserable-sinner Christianity&#8221; expressed by Luther:</p>
<p>A Christian is at the same time a sinner and a saint; he is at once bad and good. For in our own person we are in sin,</p>
<p>and in our own name we are sinners. But Christ brings us another name in which there is forgiveness of sin, so that for His sake our sin is forgiven and done away. Both then are true. There are sins and yet there are no sins. thou standest there for God not in thy name but in Christ&#8217;s name; thou dost adorn thyself with grace and righteousness although in thine own eyes and in thine own person, thou art a miserable sinner.<sup>32</sup></p>
<p>Christians are sinners who are forgiven. But there is more to it than that. They are regenerated persons whose root core has been changed. They are forgiven, but also their heart-the spring of their life and their true identity-is new.</p>
<p>To confess as present-day Anglicans do<sup>33</sup> that &#8220;there is no health in us&#8221; or that &#8220;all my nature and being is deserving of punishment,&#8221; as also stated in the old German Lutheran confession, is contrary to the biblical picture of the believer.</p>
<p>All the apostles&#8217; ethical imperatives are addressed to</p>
<p>believers on the premise that their natures are now on God&#8217;s side and have a new ability to obey God. The very assumption that Christians should grow demonstrates a belief that the positive dominates over the negative in their being. For a Christian to grow, there must be a stronger inclination toward God than toward sin.</p>
<p>Although the terminology &#8220;miserable sinner&#8221; does not adequately define the true identity of the believer, several</p>
<p>truths at the heart of so-called &#8220;miserable-sinner Christianity&#8221; must be retained even when viewing the believer as a &#8220;saint who sins.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, despite the truth that the believer&#8217;s heart and thus his or her identity have been transformed to an orientation toward God and His righteousness, one&#8217;s acceptance before God is only on the basis of Christ&#8217;s righteousness. One&#8217;s salvation is complete in Christ&#8217;s righteousness alone.</p>
<p>Second, the believer who sins must experience misery over sin. If a persons&#8217; affections have truly been changed so that he or she is now on God&#8217;s side, then that one must hate sin and experience a godly sorrow over what grieves and wounds the One who loves believers deeply. Fisher&#8217;s description of sorrow over sin should be the experience of all believers.</p>
<p>When faith hath bathed a man&#8217;s heart in the blood of Christ, it is so mollified that it generally dissolves into tears of godly sorrow; so that if Christ turn and look upon him, O then, with Peter he goes out and weeps bitterly. And this is true gospel mourning; this is right evangelical repenting.<sup>34</sup></p>
<p>Third, even though God in His grace has created in believers</p>
<p>the germ of a new nature which gives them a new identity, their focus in life must be not on themselves, but on Christ. Dying and rising with Christ means the end of self-trust. Therefore, even though they are new persons, their source of life and growth is not in their own identity but in Christ. Their focus must be on Him and not on their own new identity. In Him they are new creatures (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Cor 5:17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Cor%205.17/">2 Cor 5:17</a>).</p>
<p>_______________________________</p>
<p>1 Benjamin Breckenridge Warfield, Perfectionism, 2 vols. (New York: Oxford University Press, l931), 1:113-301.</p>
<p>2 Ibid, 115. The following quotations expressing the &#8220;miserable-sinner&#8221; concept are cited by Warfield (ibid., 118-19, 123).</p>
<p>3 Cited by Warfield (ibid., 128).</p>
<p>4 Neil Anderson, Victory Over the Darkness (Ventura, CA; Regal, 1990), 44-45. The word &#8220;occasionally&#8221; should be omitted from Anderson&#8217;s statement as he has indicated to this writer in personal conversation that it was not his intention to include this word.</p>
<p>5 Leon Morris, The First {1 Thess} and Second {2 Thess} Epistles to the Thessalonians, rev. ed. (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1991), 155.</p>
<p>6 Peter T. O&#8217;Brien, Colossians, Philemon, Word Biblical Commentary (Waco, TX: Word, 1982), 190-91; and Andrew T. Lincoln, Ephesians, Word Biblical Commentary (Dallas, TX: Word, 1990), 287.</p>
<p>7 Lincoln, Ephesians, 285.</p>
<p>8 E. K. Simpson and F. F. Bruce, Commentary on the Epistles to the Ephesians and the Colossians (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1957), 273. O&#8217;Brien similarly says that in addition to a reference to the new corporate humanity, the &#8220;new man&#8221; designates &#8220;the new nature which the Colossians had put on and which was continually being renewed&#8221; (Colossians, Philemon, 190).</p>
<p>9 Robert C. Tannehill, Dying and Rising with Christ (Berlin:Töpelmann, 1967), 52; and A. Van Roon, The Authenticity of Ephesians (Leiden: Brill, 1974), 336-37.</p>
<p>10 John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 3.3.11; cf. 3.12.1.</p>
<p>11 Ibid., 3.3.10.</p>
<p>12 Donald Guthrie, The Pastoral Epistles (London: Tyndale, 1957), 65 (italics his).</p>
<p>13 Karl Heinrich Rengstorf, &#8220;aJmartwloj&#8221;,&#8221; in Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, 1:327-28; and George W. Knight, The Pastoral Epistles (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1992), 101.</p>
<p>14 Knight, The Pastoral Epistles, 102.</p>
<p>15 Peter H. Davids, The Epistle of James (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1982), 200.</p>
<p>16 &#8220;When Paul speaks of dying and rising with Christ, he is referring to Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection as eschatological events. As such, they concern the old and new aeons. Through this death and resurrection the believers are freed from the old aeon and the new aeon is founded&#8230;. Because the existence of all within an aeon is based upon and determined by the founding events, the whole of the aeon shares in these events&#8221; (Tannehill, Dying and Rising with Christ, 39). On the similar significance of dying and rising with Christ and stripping off the old man and putting on the new, see ibid., 52.</p>
<p>17 Ibid., 21.</p>
<p>18 Horatius Bonar, God&#8217;s Way of Holiness (New York: Carter &amp; Bros., 1865), 108 (italics his).</p>
<p>19 Robert Jewett, Paul&#8217;s Anthropological Terms (Leiden: Brill, 1971), 313. John Laidlaw describes the heart as &#8220;the work-place for the personal appropriation and assimilation of every influence&#8221; (The Bible Doctrine of Man [Edinburgh: Clark, 1895], 122).</p>
<p>20 Andrew Tallon, &#8220;A Response to Fr. Dulles,&#8221; in Theology and Discovery: Essays in Honor of Karl Rahner, ed. William J. Kelly (Milwaukee: Marquette University Press, 1980), 37.</p>
<p>21 Peter Kreeft, Heaven: The Heart&#8217;s Deepest Longing (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989), 45.</p>
<p>22 Jewett, Paul&#8217;s Anthropological Terms, 322-23.</p>
<p>23 Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 2.3.6.</p>
<p>24 Franz Delitzsch, A System of Biblical Psychology (reprint, Grand Rapids; Baker, 1966), 416.</p>
<p>25 Pedersen, Israel: Its Life and Culture, 2 vols. (London: Oxford University Press, 1973), 1:166.</p>
<p>26 James D. B. Dunn, &#8220;<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 7:14-25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%207.14-25/">Romans 7:14-25</a> in the Theology of Paul,&#8221;Theologische Zeitschrift 31 (September-October, 1975): 257-73.</p>
<p>27 For a brief sketch of this latter interpretation, see N. T. Wright, The Climax of the Covenant (Minneapolis: Fortress, 1992), 196-200.</p>
<p>28 C. E. B. Cranfield, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, International Critical Commentary, 2 vols. (Edinburgh: Clark, 1975), 1:358-59.</p>
<p>29 James D. B. Dunn, <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1-8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201-8/">Romans 1-8</a> {<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%208/">Rom 8</a>}, Word Biblical Commentary (Dallas, TX: Word, 1988), 389.</p>
<p>30 Delitzsch, A System of Biblical Psychology, 438. Delitzsch gives a helpful description of the interaction between the believing ego opposed to sin and the power of sin. Referring to the sin of unchastity, he says sin &#8220;is possible only when the might of temptation succeeds either in overmastering, or even in interesting, the Ego of the man. At times there are mingled in the range of man&#8217;s thoughts impure thoughts which he acknowledges as not less thought by his Ego than the pure ones which it opposed to them in order to dislodge them. Sometimes temptation succeeds in drawing in the man&#8217;s Ego into itself; but in the midst of the sinful act, the man draws it back from it, full of loathing for it. Sometimes, moreover, the Ego, in order to complete the sinful act unrestrainedly, is voluntarily absorbed into unconsciousness, and does not until after its completion return in horror to recollection of itself; and the spirit with shame becomes conscious of its having been veiled by its own responsibility&#8221; (ibid.).</p>
<p>31 J. Knox Chamblin, Paul and the Self (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1993), 173-74.</p>
<p>32 Martin Luther, Werke, Erlangen ed., 2.197; cited by Warfield, Perfectionism, 1:116.</p>
<p>33 J. I. Packer, Keep in Step with the Spirit (Old Tappan, NJ: Revell, 1984), 123.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day, my daughter did the dishes without me asking. Wait&#8230;there&#8217;s more. Get this: it is not even her job to do the dishes anymore! It is my <em>other</em> daughter&#8217;s job. Those of you who are parents know what I am talking about. You know, the frustrations of trying to get your kids to fulfill their responsibilities. And it is not just that you want them to do what they are supposed to. Whether it is washing the dishes, taking a bath or shower, brushing their teeth, watching their little brother (or sister), or any number of things parents wish their kids would do, you want them to do these things <em>without being told</em> (over and over again). I walked in the kitchen and said to my daughter, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221; She said, with a confused look on her face, &#8220;The dishes.&#8221; &#8220;I know that, but why?&#8221; I asked. &#8220;Because they needed to be done&#8221; she answered. This is the first time I can think of in my trek through parenting when one of my kids graduated from doing something because of fear of punishment to doing it because it was simply the right thing to do. It was a proud moment for me. And, as is the case with ninety percent of the things that happen to me on a daily basis, the blog lobe in my brain started running in the background. It said: &#8220;Pssst, Michael. This is not only a monumental occasion in your life as a parent, it is also a potential blog about how people misunderstand <em>sola fide</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though I don&#8217;t know where (c<sup>itation needed</sup>), it is said that when Martin Luther rediscovered the idea that justification was by faith alone, without the aid of any meritorious good deeds, the leadership within the institutionalized church of the day said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t teach that. You know what will happen if you do? Everyone will be doing whatever they please.&#8221; To which Luther responded, &#8220;This is true. Now what pleases you?&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea Luther was promoting was not unlike the same idea posited by Augustine before him: when we become believers in Christ, our nature changes; with it, our pleasures. Our greatest pleasure, our greatest satisfaction, our loftiest ambition, and our lifelong goal, after faith is ignited in our soul, becomes to please our Lord. Why? Because we have changed, because we have graduated, because it is the best thing to do. This change will continue from the inside out for the rest of our lives.</p>
<p>I believe in the doctrine of <em>sola fide</em>. <em>Sola fide</em> means &#8220;faith alone.&#8221; It means you and I are justified, not by any good things we do, but by simply trusting in Christ. My Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Mormon friends do not share this belief. In fact, I don&#8217;t know of any religion in the world that does or ever has. All other systems of being made right before God involve some sort of merit system. Ultimately, for them, you have to perform well here on earth. You have to refrain from enough sin and add enough good deeds to your resume, which you will one day present to your creator. What a terrible (and fear-inducing) system. I don&#8217;t want God (or anyone else) to see my resume. It would not be pretty. I need a substitute resume. Therefore, I have acquired one which is not my own: Jesus Christ&#8217;s. His is the only resume God will accept, because he is the only one who lived a perfect life. And, indeed, I do have his resume. But I did not buy it, lease it, or put it on layaway. Nothing can be <em>done </em>to purchase or deserve his resume. He offers it to us freely. All we have to do is extend our hand (an act of faith) and take it. Hence, our justification (perfect resume) is a gift that comes only by faith.</p>
<p>It is a wonderful message. It is an unbelievable message. However, it is an offensive message. First, it is offensive because we are a prideful people. We think our resume is not too shabby. Many just want to take their chances on their own. Second, it is offensive because people are scared. They are scared of what this might mean. They are scared of abuse. They are scared of grace. Grace means it is free. If it is free then people will do whatever they please. Here are some of the common road blocks I have heard from others:</p>
<p>&#8220;So, what if a person becomes a believer, then goes and murders a hundred people?&#8221;<span id="more-9346"></span></p>
<p>&#8220;What you are doing is giving people license to sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you give people such freedom, there will be anarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pfff&#8230;So what you are saying is that I can go out and get drunk every night and all is covered?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Good, this mean that I can commit adultery with no consequences.&#8221;</p>
<p>And a thousand others like this. At first glance, it is the same as I said before: &#8220;If this is true, then I can do whatever I please.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with Martin Luther. Yes, it does mean we can do whatever we please. But if we have truly turned to Christ in faith, our pleasures will change. Some faster than others. Some more definitively than others. It does not mean that we will not be in a battle with the flesh for the rest of our lives. It does not mean that we won&#8217;t lose the battle with the flesh from time to time. Heck, I would be willing to say (from personal experience) it does not even mean that we won&#8217;t lose the battle with the flesh <em>more often than not</em>. What it means is that we actually desire the flesh to lose. What it means is that our <em>ultimate</em> pleasures come when we do beat the flesh. What is means is that we are changing from the inside out. What is means is that engaging in the sinful pleasures of this world does not taste as sweet as it used to. And &#8211; this is the key &#8211; when we do follow the Lord  and make the right decisions, we are not doing it for some reward or for fear of being punished (though even as Christians there are serious &#8220;built-in&#8221; consequences to sins), we are doing it because it is right. We understand it is right not because retribution is glaring at us or because our feet start to feel more than a little cozy as the fires of hell come a little closer, but because we have been changed, from the inside out. Isn&#8217;t this the gospel?</p>
<p>I think John says as much:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="1 John 5:3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%205.3/">1 John 5:3</a><br />
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.</p>
<p>If we stopped with the first half of the verse, we might have reason to object. However, the second half tells us the means by which following the Lord is accomplished. Far be it for me to argue with the way John worded this, but let me put it more positively (as John can be somewhat of a glass-half-empty guy). Instead of saying, &#8220;His commandments are not burdensome,&#8221; I think we are justified in putting it this way: &#8220;For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; it is a joy to do so.&#8221; God does not just call on us to do something we don&#8217;t want to do, but he changes our wants to conform to the greatest joy in the universe. He is not some cosmic pleasure killer, but the creator of the very <em>idea</em> of pleasure. Therefore, he is qualified to say that what the greatest pleasure is.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t God want us to be more like my daughter? Doesn&#8217;t it please him more when we find our pleasure in following him? Isn&#8217;t he, by default, the greatest pleasure in the universe? Isn&#8217;t he the one who is at work within us both to will and do his good pleasure? You see, God does is not enlisting a fearful, reluctant army. He enlists only family members who not only have the resume of Christ, but are being changed from the inside out. Therefore, the doctrine of <em>sola fide</em> is not only the best option to understand the Scriptures, but it just makes more sense.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 37:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2037.4/">Psalm 37:4</a><br />
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		<title>Did Joseph Smith Restore Theosis? Part One: The Mormon Doctrine of Exaltation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 04:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bowman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent article in the Mormon newspaper Deseret News (August 3, 2011) by Brigham Young University professor and Mormon apologist Daniel C. Peterson carries the provocative title, “Joseph Smith’s restoration of ‘theosis’ was miracle, not scandal.” The term theosis is a Greek term used in the Eastern Orthodox theological tradition referring to its doctrine that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent article in the Mormon newspaper <em>Deseret News</em> (August 3, 2011) by Brigham Young University professor and Mormon apologist Daniel C. Peterson carries the provocative title, “<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700168175/Joseph-Smiths-restoration-of-theosis-was-miracle-not-scandal.html">Joseph Smith’s restoration of ‘theosis’ was miracle, not scandal</a>.” The term <em>theosis</em> is a Greek term used in the Eastern Orthodox theological tradition referring to its doctrine that through the Incarnation (the union of divine nature and human nature in the person of Jesus Christ) human beings may become united with God and in some sense like God. This Orthodox doctrine is rooted in the doctrine of several early church fathers (mostly writing in Greek) who spoke of the redeemed in Christ becoming “gods” (Greek, <em>theoi</em>) through the union with God that he put into effect in the Incarnation. According to Peterson, the doctrine of “exaltation” taught by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon movement, was a miraculous “restoration” of “an authentically ancient Judeo-Christian doctrine,” the doctrine of <em>theosis</em>.</p>
<p>Was it?<span id="more-8463"></span></p>
<p>My response to Peterson will be rather detailed and so will be broken up into several parts. In this first part, I will review the doctrine of exaltation taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) and affirmed by Peterson. In subsequent parts I will examine Peterson’s arguments in support of that doctrine. This includes his New Testament proof texts (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 8:17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%208.17/">Rom. 8:17</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Rev. 3:21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rev.%203.21/">Rev. 3:21</a>), his proof text for the doctrine in the Book of Mormon, his claim that “an early Jewish midrash expressed the belief” in <em>theosis</em>, and his citations to show that Joseph’s doctrine restored an ancient Christian doctrine reflected in statements by various church fathers.</p>
<p><strong>The Mormon Doctrine of Exaltation</strong></p>
<p>Peterson summarizes the doctrine he wishes to defend as follows:</p>
<p>“Late in his life, the Prophet Joseph Smith began to teach that humans, being children of God, can become like their Father. The doctrine is most famously expressed in the couplet of Lorenzo Snow: ‘As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.’”</p>
<p>Peterson refers to this teaching as the doctrine of “exaltation.” Let’s be clear on what this doctrine means. In Mormonism, <em>exaltation is something that has already happened to God that made him what he is today and that can also happen to us to make us reach our full potential</em>. There are two parts to Snow’s couplet, the first regarding God, and the second regarding man, and these two parts must be understood in relation to one another. The precise wording that Snow himself used was slightly different from the wording given by Peterson: What Snow said was, “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be” (Eliza R. Snow Smith, <em>Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow</em> [Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret News, 1884], 46). The wording used by Peterson, on the other hand, appears to have become standard in Mormon usage (see, for example, <em>Encyclopedia of Mormonism</em> 4:1474). In any case, the question is, just exactly what does this statement mean?</p>
<p>The first part of the couplet asserts that God “once was” as we are but he is now what he is. Exaltation for God denotes the change from what he “once was” to what he “is.” Furthermore, exaltation for man is the change from what “man is” now to what “man may become”—and “what man may become” is “as God is.” In other words, God was once a man, like us, and he then became what he is now, namely, God; and we can do the same thing and go through the same change from what we are now to becoming the same kind of being as God.</p>
<p>The basic conception that this doctrine expresses is that deity is an open category. The being that we call God was not always “God” but <em>became</em> God by the process that Mormons call exaltation. The beings that we call “man” were not always physical, earthly humans but were divine spirits living in Heaven and are living here temporarily in order to progress toward their own exaltation.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith stated explicitly toward the end of his life that God has not always been God. I will quote three paragraphs in full from his famous 1844 sermon known as the King Follett Discourse so that there can be no question about the context (<em>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</em>, 345-46, emphasis in original):</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret.</em><em> </em><em>If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.</em></strong></p>
<p>In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.</p>
<p>These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. <strong><em>It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible</em>.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>One can easily see the first part of Snow’s couplet, “As man is, God once was,” explicitly in Joseph Smith’s remarks here: “God himself was once as we are now”; “he was once a man like us.” The second part is also found in the same sermon just two paragraphs later:</p>
<p>Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. (<em>Teachings</em>, 346)</p>
<p>Some Mormons will argue that neither this sermon nor Snow’s couplet are included in the LDS scriptures (their “Standard Works”) and therefore are not “official doctrine,” but this is an idle claim. As we have seen, Dan Peterson treats this doctrine without embarrassment or hedging as a doctrine miraculously revealed to Joseph Smith. As evangelical scholar Ron Huggins showed in <a href="http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/49/49-3/JETS_49-3_549-568_Huggins.pdf">an important article</a> in the <em>Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society</em>, when the LDS Church is not engaged in public relations, it clearly affirms this doctrine of exaltation, including Snow’s couplet and the King Follett Discourse, as accepted doctrine. The LDS doctrinal manual <em>Gospel Principles</em>, in print continuously since 1978 and published by the LDS Church as a primer on Mormon doctrine for its members, clearly affirms Joseph Smith’s doctrine (<em>Gospel Principles</em>, 2009 ed., <a href="http://lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng">275, 277, 279</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>When we lived with our Heavenly Father, He explained a plan for our progression. We could become like Him, an exalted being…. Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation….</p>
<p>These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:</p>
<ol>
<li>They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&amp;C 76:62).</li>
<li>They will become gods (see D&amp;C 132:20–23).</li>
<li>They will be united eternally with their righteous family members and will be able to have eternal increase.</li>
<li>They will receive a fulness of joy.</li>
<li>They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have—all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge (see D&amp;C 132:19–20)….</li>
</ol>
<p>Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God.… He was once a man like us; … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (<em><strong>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</strong>,</em> sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 345–46).</p>
<p>Our Heavenly Father knows our trials, our weaknesses, and our sins. He has compassion and mercy on us. He wants us to succeed even as He did.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note that <em>Gospel Principles</em> quotes with approval statements from Joseph Smith’s King Follett Discourse, from the very pages we quoted above, including the statement that God “was once a man like us.” It also affirms that God is “an exalted being” and that we can become exalted beings too, that we can “become gods” in this sense of becoming like God in every way. For example, it asserts that God is “a creator” and that we can “become like” him in this respect. It claims that exalted people will have “all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge,” just like God the Father and Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Let us draw these ideas together in a brief summary. The LDS doctrine of exaltation, taught by Joseph Smith himself, found in the current Mormon doctrinal primer, and defended by Mormon scholar and apologist Dan Peterson, includes the following doctrinal claims:</p>
<ul>
<li>God has not always been God; it is not true that he has been God from all eternity (though he may have <em>existed</em> from all eternity, he has not always existed <em>as God</em>).</li>
<li>God was once a man like us before becoming God our Heavenly Father.</li>
<li>God became God and is an exalted man, an exalted being.</li>
<li>Human beings are the spirit offspring of God, our Heavenly Father. We lived in heaven with God before becoming physical beings here on earth.</li>
<li>We became human beings precisely so that we would have the opportunity to attain exaltation just as God did.</li>
<li>Human beings can become “gods” in the sense of becoming exalted beings fully like Heavenly Father in all essential respects, just as he did before us.</li>
<li>As exalted beings or gods, we can become creators and have all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge that God the Father has (in the worlds we create).</li>
</ul>
<p>What we want to know is whether any of the evidence from the New Testament, Jewish literature, or the early church fathers adduced by Peterson really supports the antiquity of any of these doctrinal claims. This is the question that will be addressed in the subsequent installments of this series.</p>
<p><em>Rob Bowman is the director of research for the Institute for Religious Research in Grand Rapids, Michigan. For a wealth of resources on Mormonism,  please visit <a href="http://www.irr.org">IRR&#8217;s website</a>.</em><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Who Killed Jesus? A Good Friday Meditation (Sam Storms)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sam Storms</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who was responsible for the death of Jesus? Who was responsible for the nails that tore into his flesh and for the crown of thorns that pierced his brow? Who was responsible for the humiliation and ridicule to which he was subjected? Who killed Jesus? One way to answer this question is by pointing the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who was responsible for the death of Jesus? Who was responsible for the nails that tore into his flesh and for the crown of thorns that pierced his brow? Who was responsible for the humiliation and ridicule to which he was subjected? Who killed Jesus?</p>
<p>One way to answer this question is by pointing the finger at either the historical or the heavenly cause of his death. Looking at his death from a purely historical perspective one might conclude that the Jewish religious leaders, in cahoots with Herod and Pontius Pilate, killed Jesus. There is certainly support for this in such texts as <a class="bibleref" title="1 Thess. 2:13-16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Thess.%202.13-16/">1 Thess. 2:13-16</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Acts 2:23; 4:27" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%202.23%3B%204.27/">Acts 2:23; 4:27</a>; Mt. 21:33-46; <a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor. 2:8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor.%202.8/">1 Cor. 2:8</a>. </p>
<p>Looking at his death from a heavenly perspective, one might conclude that God the Father killed Jesus. Although that sounds strange to some, carefully read <a class="bibleref" title="Isaiah 53" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Isaiah%2053/">Isaiah 53</a>. There we are told that the Messiah would be &#8220;smitten of God&#8221; (v. 4). It is &#8220;the Lord&#8221; who &#8220;has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him&#8221; (v. 6). Perhaps the most startling statement of all is found in v. 10 where we read: &#8220;But the Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief.&#8221;</p>
<p>But there is yet another answer to the question, &#8220;Who killed Jesus?&#8221; Charles Spurgeon explains:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There was a day, as I took my walks abroad, when I came hard-by a spot forever engraven upon my memory, for there I saw this Friend, my best, my only Friend, murdered. I stooped down in sad affright, and looked at him. I saw that his hands had been pierced with rough nails, and his feet had been rent in the same way. There was misery in his dead countenance so terrible that I scarcely dared to look upon it. His body was emaciated with hunger, his back was red with bloody scourges, and his brow had a circle of wounds about it: clearly could one see that these had been pierced by thorns. </p>
<p>I shuddered, for I had known this friend full well. He never had a fault; he was the purest of pure, the holiest of the holy. Who could have injured him? For he never injured any man; all his life long he &#8216;went about doing good;&#8217; he had healed the sick, he had fed the hungry, he had raised the dead. For which of these works did they kill him? He had never breathed out anything else but love; and as I looked into the poor sorrowful face, so full of agony, and yet so full of love, I wondered who could have been a wretch so vile as to pierce hands like his. I said within myself, &#8216;Where can these traitors live? Who are these that could have smitten such a One as this?&#8217; Had they murdered an oppressor, we might have forgiven them. Had they slain one who had indulged in vice or villainy, it might have been his desert. Had it been a murderer and a rebel, or one who had committed sedition, we would have said, &#8216;Bury his corpse; justice has at last given him his due.&#8217; But when thou wast slain, my best, my only beloved, where lodged the traitors? Let me seize them, and they shall be put to death. If there be torments that I can devise, surely they shall endure them all. Oh! What jealousy, what revenge I felt! If I might but find these murderers, what would I not do with them! </p>
<p>And as I looked upon that corpse, I heard a footstep, and wondered where it was. I listened, and I clearly perceived that the murderer was close at hand. It was dark, and I groped about to find him. I found that, somehow or other, wherever I put out my hand, I could not meet with him, for he was nearer to me than my hand would go. At last I put my hand upon my breast. &#8216;I have thee now,&#8217; said I; for lo! he was in my own heart! The murderer was hiding within my own bosom, dwelling in the recesses of my inmost soul. Ah! Then I wept indeed, that I, in the very presence of my murdered Master, should be harbouring the murderer, and I felt myself most guilty while I bowed over His corpse, and sang that plaintive hymn:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Twas you, my sins, my cruel sins,<br />
	His chief tormentors were;<br />
  Each of my crimes became a nail,<br />
	And unbelief the spear.&#8221;</p>
<p>My sins were the scourges which lacerated those blessed shoulders, and crowned with thorns those bleeding brows. My sins cried, &#8216;Crucify him! Crucify him!&#8217; and laid the cross upon his gracious shoulders. His being led forth to die is sorrow enough for one eternity; but my having been his murderer is more, infinitely more grief, than one poor fountain of tears can express.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>“Honest Atheists”(?) and the Destiny of those who’ve never heard of Jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Storms</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been considerable response to my earlier post entitled, “Bell’s Hell and the Destiny of those who’ve never heard of Jesus.” One issue that came up repeatedly was my denial that there is any such thing as an “honest atheist.” Perhaps a bit more explanation of what I meant is called for. Do honest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been considerable response to my earlier post entitled, “<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/04/bell%e2%80%99s-hell-and-the-destiny-of-those-who%e2%80%99ve-never-heard-of-jesus/">Bell’s Hell and the Destiny of those who’ve never heard of Jesus.</a>” One issue that came up repeatedly was my denial that there is any such thing as an “honest atheist.” Perhaps a bit more explanation of what I meant is called for.</p>
<p>Do honest atheists exist? By “honest” I don’t mean atheists who pay their taxes and keep their promises and choose not to steal or lie. What I mean in asking the question is whether or not there exists an atheist who <em>honestly</em> believes there is no God.</p>
<p>There are, undoubtedly, many who <em>claim</em> to be atheists. They insist, often loudly and angrily, that there is no God and that religion is the cause of virtually all human pain and suffering. The only ultimate reality, so they say, is matter. Physical substance, whether helium or hormones, whether water or fire, is all there is. Everything can be explained or accounted for in terms of the existence and interaction of material substance of one sort or another. In other words, there is no spiritual realm. There are no angels. There is no immaterial soul in man, and above all, there is no “god” or deity or divinity or supernatural being of any sort.</p>
<p>So I’ll ask again: do honest atheists exist? You may think that to be a silly question given the notoriety of late among such prominent professing atheists as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens, just to name a few. But the operative word here is <em>professing</em>. Yes, many <em>profess</em> to be atheists and make a pretty good living writing books about it or appearing on talk shows or teaching in our universities and colleges. But my question is again whether or not these people, in the depth and quiet of their own hearts, honestly believe there is no God.<span id="more-7577"></span></p>
<p>I contend they do not. I contend that they are living and speaking in denial of what they know to be true. I contend that they are laboring to persuade themselves of what is indelibly and inescapably inscribed on their hearts: that there is a God and that they are morally accountable to him.<!--more--></p>
<p>No one has made the case for the non-existence of honest atheists, with greater clarity and force, than John Calvin. “There is within the human mind,” said Calvin, “and indeed by natural instinct, an awareness of divinity. . . . To prevent anyone from taking refuge in the pretense of ignorance, God himself has implanted in all men a certain understanding of his divine majesty” (<em>Institutes, </em>I.3.1).</p>
<p>All mankind, says Calvin, “perceive that there is a God and that he is their Maker” (I.3.1). Not even the “more backward folk and those more remote from civilization” (I.3.1) can deny the existence of God. There is, says Calvin, “no nation so barbarous, no people so savage, that they have not a deep-seated conviction that there is a God” (I.3.1). Oh, yes, they can verbally “deny” his existence and develop elaborate philosophical arguments to buttress their case, but none is persuaded by his own reasoning. A “sense of deity”, he insists, is “inscribed in the hearts of all” (I.3.1).</p>
<p>Before we turn to Calvin’s biblical defense of this truth, let’s hear him make the point again. This sense or awareness of divinity which can never be effaced “is engraved upon men’s minds” and “is naturally born in all” and “is fixed deep within, as it were in the very marrow” (I.3.3). No matter how vocal their denials or sarcastic their laughter or loud their derision, “the worm of conscience, sharper than any cauterizing iron, gnaws away within” (I.3.3). Although many “strive with every nerve” to suppress this truth, “it is not a doctrine that must first be learned in school” but one of which “each of us is master from his mother’s womb and which nature itself permits no one to forget” (I.3.3).</p>
<p>This inescapable “knowledge” of God, however, is not redemptive. That is to say, we must differentiate between an awareness of God’s existence and an enjoyment of it. It is one thing to acknowledge that Deity exists. It is another to repent and seek him and cast oneself in humble dependence upon his grace and receive by faith his gift of life in Christ Jesus. Apart from the saving knowledge of God mediated to us in Christ and Holy Scripture, all men “deliberately befuddle themselves” (I.4.2) and turn to every sort of superstition and idolatry. Or, to use the words of Paul, to which Calvin returns again and again, “although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him” but “became futile in their thinking” and “exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:21-22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.21-22/">Romans 1:21-22</a>). They cannot escape “the truth about God”, so they exchange it “for a lie” and worship and serve “the creature rather than the Creator” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.25/">Romans 1:25</a>).</p>
<p>But how do we know that all men know there is a God? On what grounds do we refuse to honor their claim to being atheists? Calvin points us in two directions. Not only has God “sowed in men’s minds that seed of religion,” what we often refer to as <em>conscience</em> (I.5.1; see <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 2:12-16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%202.12-16/">Romans 2:12-16</a>), but he has also “revealed himself and daily discloses himself in the whole workmanship of the universe. As a consequence, men cannot open their eyes without being compelled to see him” (I.5.1). Upon all his works in the natural order of creation “he has engraved unmistakable marks of his glory, so clear and so prominent that even unlettered and stupid folk cannot plead the excuse of ignorance” (I.5.1).</p>
<p>Again, “wherever you cast your eyes, there is no spot in the universe wherein you cannot discern at least some sparks of his glory. You cannot in one glance survey this most vast and beautiful system of the universe, in its wide expanse, without being completely overwhelmed by the boundless force of its brightness” (I.5.1). Whether in astronomy or anatomy or botany or the power of lightning, wind, and storm, God has made himself known. Whether in his providence over nations or his lordship over creation or his sovereign sway over the lives of men, the glory and majesty of God shine forth. Yet we one and all “forsake the one true God for prodigious trifles” (I.5.11).</p>
<p>I can’t emphasize strongly enough that although such knowledge is inescapable, it is inadequate to impart eternal life or the forgiveness of sins. Although countless burning lamps shine for us in the workmanship of the universe, “although they bathe us wholly in their radiance, yet they can of themselves in no way lead us into the right path” (I.5.14). God’s existence and eternal power and divine nature are made “plain” to all men, rendering them “without excuse” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.20/">Romans 1:20</a>). But we do not have “eyes” to behold his <em>saving</em> splendor “unless they be illumined by the inner revelation of God through faith” (I.5.14).</p>
<p>The fault is not with what God has revealed. There is no shortcoming or defect in his handiwork. The failure is in us. The dullness and stupidity and delusion are wholly ours. The problem isn’t that mankind lacks sufficient evidence for the existence of God. The problem isn’t that the evidence suffers from lack of clarity or beauty or falls short in its persuasive power.</p>
<p>The problem is that mankind, apart from Christ and his regenerating grace, despises what he sees. The problem is that we hate what we know. The problem isn’t that men look upon creation or contemplate the conviction of their own conscience and turn away saying, “It’s not enough; proof is lacking; it doesn’t add up; God doesn’t exist.” The problem is that they willfully and selfishly and knowingly loathe the God whom they see and know to exist and would rather indulge their own fleshly lusts and worship their own souls than to honor and give thanks to the God of glory (cf. <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:21-25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.21-25/">Romans 1:21-25</a>).</p>
<p>Calvin has read Paul rightly. His conclusions are therefore on the mark. There is no such thing as an honest atheist. There are those aplenty who with their mouths scoff at the notion of God and formulate their arguments to “prove” he does not exist. Perhaps there are even some who from years of willful rebellion and self-induced hardening of heart have anesthetized their souls to God’s powerful presence. Perhaps there are some (many?) whom God has simply “given over” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:24,26,28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.24%2C26%2C28/">Romans 1:24,26,28</a>) to the deeper cultivation of their self-delusion, some (many?) who have degenerated to such a degree that they’ve rendered themselves impervious to the clearest and most persuasive of evidence. But in any and every case, they are still “without excuse” (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.20/">Romans 1:20</a>). The plea of ignorance will not suffice at the final bar of judgment.</p>
<p>Do not go in search of an honest atheist. You won’t find one. Turn, instead, to the heavens above which “declare the glory of God” (<a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 19:1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2019.1/">Psalm 19:1</a>a). Turn, instead, to the sky that “proclaims his handiwork” (<a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 19:1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2019.1/">Psalm 19:1</a>b). “Lift up your eyes on high and see” the trillions and trillions of stars and worship the One who “brings out their host by number” and calls “them all by name,” whose power alone sustains them so that “not one is missing” (<a class="bibleref" title="Isaiah 40:26" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Isaiah%2040.26/">Isaiah 40:26</a>).</p>
<p>And then worship!</p>
<p>And then share these glorious truths with a “professing” atheist and direct him to the revelation of Christ in Scripture and pray that the God who said “Let light shine out of darkness” might shine in his heart “to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Corinthians 4:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Corinthians%204.6/">2 Corinthians 4:6</a>).<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Storms</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a recent interview with Sally Quinn of The Washington Post, Rob Bell again muddied the waters over the question of the fate of those who’ve never heard about Jesus. In doing so he also greatly misrepresented the evangelical answer to this question. Here are his words: “If, billions and billions and billions of people, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a recent interview with Sally Quinn of <em>The Washington Post</em>, Rob Bell again muddied the waters over the question of the fate of those who’ve never heard about Jesus. In doing so he also greatly misrepresented the evangelical answer to this question. Here are his words:</p>
<p>“If, billions and billions and billions of people, God is going to torture them in hell forever – people who never heard about Jesus are going to suffer in eternal agony because they didn’t believe in the Jesus they never heard of – then at that point we will have far bigger problems than a book from a pastor from Grand Rapids.”</p>
<p>Bell is responding to evangelicals who purportedly believe that people “are going to suffer in eternal agony because they didn’t believe in the Jesus they never heard of.” Let me say this as clearly as I can: No one will ever suffer for any length of time in hell or anywhere else for not believing in the Jesus they never heard of. Should I say that again or is it enough to ask that you go back and read it again?</p>
<p>Bell and others who make this sort of outrageous claim have evidently failed to look closely at <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1:18" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201.18/">Romans 1:18</a>ff. Here we read that the wrath of God revealed from heaven is grounded in the persistent repudiation by mankind of the revelation God has made of himself in the created order. In other words, there is a reason for God’s wrath. It is not capricious. God’s wrath has been deliberately and persistently provoked by man’s willful rejection of God as he has revealed himself.<span id="more-7567"></span></p>
<p>The revelation is both <em>from</em> God and <em>about</em> God. Therefore, in this case if the pupil does not learn it is not because the teacher did not teach. The phrase “evident to them” (v. 19, NASB), is better rendered either in or among them, probably the latter; i.e., God has made himself known among people (and thus, in a manner of speaking, to them, in their minds and hearts) in his works of creation and providence. </p>
<p>Observe Paul’s paradoxical language in v. 20: he refers to God’s invisible attributes (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim. 1:17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim.%201.17/">1 Tim. 1:17</a>) as clearly seen (oxymoron). Paul’s point is that the invisible is made visible via creation or nature. Divine wisdom, power, eternity and goodness, for example, are not in themselves visible, but their reality is undeniably affirmed and apprehended by the effects they produce in nature. That there is a God, supreme, eternal, infinite in power, personal, wise, independent, worthy of glory and gratitude, is clearly evident in the creation.</p>
<p>How are these truths about God made known and where may we see them? Paul’s answer is, “through what has been made” (v. 20). God has left the indelible mark of his fingerprints all across the vast face of the universe.</p>
<p>Theologian Robert Dabney put it this way: “They who have no Bible may still look up to the moon walking in brightness and the stars watching in obedient order; they may see in the joyous sunbeams the smile of God, and in the fruitful shower the manifestation of his bounty; they hear the rending thunder utter his wrath, and the jubilee of the birds sing his praise; the green hills are swelled with his goodness; the trees of the wood rejoice before him with every quiver of their foliage in the summer air.” Herman Bavinck put it succinctly in declaring that “there is not an atom of the universe in which God’s power and divinity are not revealed.”</p>
<p>Paul’s point here in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201/">Romans 1</a> is that this revelation is <strong>sufficiently clear and inescapable</strong> that it renders all <strong>without excuse</strong> (see <a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 1:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%201.20/">Rom. 1:20</a>). Consequently, there is no such thing as “an innocent native in Africa” any more than there is “an innocent pagan in America.”</p>
<p>What does Paul mean when he says that all humanity is without excuse? “The excuse that is banished,” notes R. C. Sproul, “the excuse every pagan hopes in vain to use, the excuse that is exploded by God’s self-revelation in nature is the pretended, vacuous, dishonest appeal to ignorance. No one will be able to approach the judgment seat of God justly pleading, ‘If only I had known you existed, I would surely have served you.’ That excuse is annihilated. No one can lightly claim ‘insufficient’ evidence for not believing in God” (<em>Classical Apologetics</em>, 46).</p>
<p>The problem is not a lack of evidence. The problem is the innate, natural, moral antipathy of mankind to God. The problem is not that the evidence is not open to mankind. The problem is that mankind is not open to the evidence.</p>
<p>Note well Paul’s words: “For even though they knew God” (v. 21a). Again, “that which is known about God is evident within them” (not hidden, obscure, uncertain, but disclosed, clear, and inescapable). There is no such thing as an honest atheist! All people know God. There is a distinction, of course, between, on the one hand, a cognitive apprehension of God, i.e., knowing that there is a God and that he is worthy of obedience, worship, gratitude, and, on the other, a saving or redemptive knowledge of God. All people experience the former whereas only the redeemed experience the latter. Thus the problem, again, “is not a failure to honor what was not known, but a refusal to honor what was clearly known” (Sproul, 51).</p>
<p>Paul believed the unbeliever’s knowledge of God was “real” though not “saving”. They have more than an “awareness” of God. They know both that he exists and that he is of a certain moral character and that they themselves are accountable to him. In other words, their knowledge of God brings “subjective” understanding, but not “saving” understanding. The God they truly and “really” know, they hate and refuse to honor. Their response, however, is not borne of ignorance but of willful rebellion and self-centered sinfulness.</p>
<p>But Paul is equally clear that all persistently suppress this knowledge (see vv. 21-32). He does not say they began in darkness and futility and are slowly but surely groping their way toward the light. Rather, they began with the clear, inescapable light of the knowledge of God and regressed into darkness. More on this below.</p>
<p>The reference to them as “futile” and “fools” (vv. 21-22) does not mean all pagans are stupid. It is not man’s intelligence that is in view but his disposition. The problem with the unsaved isn’t that he can’t think with his head. The problem is that he refuses to believe with his heart. The unsaved man is a fool not because he is of questionable intelligence. He is a fool because of his immoral refusal to acknowledge and bow to what he knows is true.</p>
<p>What is the response of the human heart to this revelatory activity of God? Paul describes it in vv. 21-23. What he has in mind involves a distortion or deliberate mutation when one substitutes something artificial or counterfeit for that which is genuine. Clearly, then, when man rejects God he does not cease to be religious. Indeed, <strong>he becomes religious in order to reject God</strong>. He substitutes for God a deity of his own making, often himself.</p>
<p>This leads to three important conclusions.</p>
<p>First, the revelation of God in creation and conscience is sufficient to render all men without excuse, sufficient to lead to their condemnation if they repudiate it, but not sufficient to save. No one will be saved solely because of their acknowledgment of God in nature, but many will be lost because of their refusal of him as revealed there. In other words, <strong>general revelation lacks redemptive content</strong>. It is epistemically adequate but soteriologically inadequate. It makes known that there is a God who punishes sin but not that he pardons it.</p>
<p>Second, and please note this well, <strong><em>the so-called heathen are not condemned for rejecting Jesus, about whom they have heard nothing, but for rejecting the Father, about whom they have heard and seen much</em></strong>. Whatever about God is included in Paul’s words, “his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature” (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 1:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%201.20/">Rom. 1:20</a>), the knowledge of such is universal and inescapable and renders all mankind without an excuse for their unbelief, without an excuse for their failure to honor God, without an excuse for their refusal to thank God, and without an excuse for turning from the one true God to the worship of idols.</p>
<p>Third, general revelation is the essential prerequisite to special revelation. And special revelation is that which redemptively supplements and interprets general revelation. Therefore, if by God&#8217;s gracious and sovereign enablement and enlightenment, any unbeliever responds positively to the revelation of God in nature (and conscience), God will take the necessary steps to reach him or her with the good news of Christ whereby they may be saved.</p>
<p>What we have seen from this brief look at <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%201/">Romans 1</a> is that God has made his existence and attributes known to all mankind in every age: people of every religion in every nation on earth. These people may never hear the name of Jesus. They may never hear the gospel proclaimed. They may never hear of the cross or the resurrection. They may never hold in their hands a Bible in their own language. But they are totally and justly and righteously “without excuse” before God for their failure to honor him as God and their subsequent idolatrous turn to created things as a substitute for the Creator.</p>
<p>They will not be judged for their rejection of Jesus, of whom they have heard nothing. For Rob Bell or anyone else to suggest that we believe people will suffer eternally in hell for not believing in a Jesus of whom they know nothing is a distortion of what we affirm, and worse still is a distortion of what Paul clearly taught. People will be held accountable and judged on the basis of the revelation that God has made of himself to them. And this revelation is unmistakable, unavoidable, and sufficiently pervasive and clear that the failure to respond as well as the turn to idolatry renders them “without excuse.” They will be righteously judged for rejecting the Father, not for rejecting the Son.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>How to Know if you&#8217;re Elect (Sam Storms)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sam Storms</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Editors Note: In addition to all of our online ministries and curriculum we spend time every day answering questions through email. A man contacted our ministry last week saying his female friend was worried wondering if she&#8217;s a part of the elect. I thought it beneficial to post the response to these two people: My [...]]]></description>
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<p>My concern here is that this young lady has made the mistake that many people, both professing Christians and non-Christians alike, often make. They make decisions based on what they think either is or is not the secret, decretive will of God. But Scripture forbids us to do this. All of our decisions and evaluations are to be made based on the revealed and moral will of God, namely, the will of God made clear to us in Scripture. The secret and decretive will of God is precisely that, secret, and therefore cannot be known apart from an explicit revelation in the Word. The revealed will of God is that this young lady repent and believe the gospel. There is no way she could ever know if she is among the elect except by believing the gospel. There is no way she could ever know that she is among the non-elect except by dying in unbelief. It is really quite easy for her to overcome her fear of being among the non-elect: repent and believe the gospel! If she does, Jesus says he will in no way ever cast her out. If she says, “But how can I believe the gospel if I’m among the non-elect?” The answer again is, “Believe the gospel and thereby know that you are among the elect.” Those who are non-elect ultimately don’t care one way or the other. They so despise Christ and the gospel that they don’t live in fear they are non-elect. This leads me to suspect that this young lady is under the convicting work of the Spirit and that the Spirit has already unveiled to her heart the beauty of Christ and the hope of the gospel. She is struggling to make sense of it all and has allowed herself to be led into despair on the basis of her “knowledge” of something that by definition can’t be known. So, again, the mistake that creates numerous unanswerable problems for her is basing her decisions and letting her feelings and fears be governed by something God has refused to reveal. I would say to her, “Put all your fears to rest and know this for sure, if you will but repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ you will be finally and forever forgiven and saved.”</p>
<p>- Sam Storms</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I went to pick  Zach, my three-year-old, up from his class at church. When I dropped him off, the sign-in sheet asked, &#8220;Any special instructions?&#8221; I hesitated, then left it blank. I suppose that this was a mistake. When I went to get him, I lifted him up and sat him on my hip only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I went to pick  Zach, my three-year-old, up from his class at church. When I dropped him off, the sign-in sheet asked, &#8220;Any special instructions?&#8221; I hesitated, then left it blank. I suppose that this was a mistake. When I went to get him, I lifted him up and sat him on my hip only to quickly find out that he, at some point in the night, had failed to utilize his potty training abilities. The smell was terrible and I was embarrassed.</p>
<p>All of my kids have gone through this stage. Right when we think the training is over, they revert back a couple of months later. When it happened with Katelynn, the doctor told us that we have to just let her do it. He told us that she will be both annoyed and embarrassed by the feeling and smell. This will be enough to make her stop. Sure enough, that is what happened. Same thing with Kylee. Same thing with Will. They would have an accident and come in crying due to the uncomfortable feeling and smell. They recognized it and wanted it to change, even though they were not sure how to take care of the problem. But I don&#8217;t know what is going on with Zach. He just does not seem to care. It has been over a month and nothing has changed. It is like he does not recognize that there is urine all over him and the smell, somehow, does not bother him. He can go all day with wet pants and not think twice.</p>
<p>Where am I going with this? I&#8217;m getting there.</p>
<p><strong>Pop Quiz: What does one have to do to be saved?</strong></p>
<p>1. Repent (i.e. turn from/give up/cease) of sins and trust in Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>2. Repent (i.e. feel sorry for) of sins and trust in Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>3. Repent (i.e. change the way you think about) of their sins and trust in Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>4. Repent (i.e. change your mind) of their former rejection of Christ and trust him.</p>
<p>Most people would be willing to say that repentance is necessary for salvation so long as it is properly qualified. There is a big debate that exists around this issue. In modern day Evangelical theology, it is called the &#8220;Lordship Salvation Debate.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Lordship</strong></p>
<p>Those who hold to the Lordship position are concerned with the &#8220;easy-believism&#8221; that permeates our Christian culture today. Belief with minimal commitment. Trust without repentance. The mind without the will. Christ without a cost. In essence, they&#8217;re concerned about salvation without a life changed by the Gospel. We might term this &#8220;nominal Christianity.&#8221; Everyone believes that they are saved due to simple intellectual assent to the facts of the Gospel. But no one has Christ as the Lord of their lives. For advocates of Lordship Salvation, the Holy Spirit not only brings about trust, but commitment as well. This commitment will be evident in change in lifestyle and passion.</p>
<p><strong>Free-Grace</strong></p>
<p>Those who hold to Free-Grace believe that while &#8220;nominal Christianity&#8221; is a problem, a compromise to the simplicity of the Gospel is not the solution. For Free-Grace advocates, the Lordship position adds human effort to the Gospel, thereby compromising the gift of grace not unlike the the Roman Catholics do. Repentance, for the Free Grace position, is a change of mind about who Christ is, our own self-sufficiency, and our attitude toward sin. However, this does not mean that we are required to make a commitment or &#8220;turn from&#8221; our sin. This would be a work which would make grace no longer grace. More than this, it would be a work an unsaved person does not have the ability to do.</p>
<p>While there is a spectrum of belief that bridges these two positions (and I am not necessarily suggesting that you make an either/or distinction here or attempt to put yourself in one &#8220;camp&#8221; or the other), the key difference exists in one&#8217;s view of repentance. What does it mean to repent?</p>
<p>“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Acts 2:38" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%202.38/">Acts 2:38</a>).</p>
<p>I believe that the Bible teaches that repentance is a part of faith. Among the many passages which speak directly to this we find Matt.9:13; <a class="bibleref" title="Luke 3:3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%203.3/">Luke 3:3</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Luke 5:32" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%205.32/">Luke 5:32</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Luke 24:47" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%2024.47/">Luke 24:47</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Acts 11:18" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2011.18/">Acts 11:18</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Acts 20:21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2020.21/">Acts 20:21</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 2:4; 2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%202.4%3B%202/">Rom. 2:4; 2</a> <a class="bibleref" title="Tim. 2:25; 2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Tim.%202.25%3B%202/">Tim. 2:25; 2</a> <a class="bibleref" title="Pet. 3:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Pet.%203.9/">Pet. 3:9</a>.  But I also believe that repentance is difficult to define. The Greek word repentance is <em>metanoia</em> is taken from the Greek <em>meta</em> &#8220;to change&#8221; <em>noos</em> &#8220;mind or thinking&#8221;. As with anything, the context, both Biblical and theological, must help us determine with more accuracy the meaning of Biblical repentance.<span id="more-6900"></span></p>
<p>While the Gospel of John does not use the word, I believe that we can see repentance as an assumed part of the faith about which John speaks. Repentance is the other side of the coin of belief. If one is to trust Christ, this assumes that they are changing or &#8220;turning from&#8221; something else. All would agree that biblical faith requires a turning from our previous belief about Christ. This requires a change of mind which would certainly qualify for repentance. We have changed our minds about who Christ is. Not only this, we turn from an attitude of self-reliance to Christ-reliance. We no longer believe that we are self-sufficient to stand before God. This would also involve a change of thinking or mind. Finally, we would all agree that this turning from self-reliance implies a recognition of our sinful condition. At this point, we call upon the Lord for mercy.</p>
<p>So far so good?</p>
<p>However, the issue comes when we begin to add requirements involving a change of life to repentance. Do we add to the list above a &#8220;turning from&#8221; individual sins? Most specifically, do we add to repentance the &#8220;fruits of repentance&#8221; involving a cessation from at least some sins. John the Baptist condemned the religious leaders of the day for having a sort of repentance that is false. He calls on them to bring forth the &#8220;fruit of repentance&#8221; (Matt. 3:8). It seems reasonable to assume that the &#8220;fruit of repentance&#8221; includes a changed life, a real commitment, and a cessation from that which brought about the need for repentance. Shouldn&#8217;t our calls for repentance be the same? Shouldn&#8217;t we say that our repentance involves a &#8220;turning from&#8221; our sin as well?</p>
<p>I think we need to be very careful here. I do believe that such a requirement is getting the cart before the horse and ends up in a place not so different from any typical works-based salvation. &#8220;Turning from&#8221; our sin can be interpreted as a work unless heavily qualified. We believe that the Gospel message has no relation to works. Paul says that God saved us &#8220;not by deeds done in righteousness, but by his mercy&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Titus 3:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Titus%203.5/">Titus 3:5</a>). He also tells us that &#8220;If it is by grace [an undeserved gift], it is no longer of works. Otherwise, grace is no longer grace&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 11:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%2011.6/">Rom. 11:6</a>). Finally, he says that &#8220;It is by grace you have been saved, through faith, not of yourselves, it is a gift of God. It is not of works, least any man should boast&#8221; (Eph.2:8-9). Any addition of works adds an element of self-reliance which is the very antinomy of the Gospel message. Once we begin to define faith as involving a type of repentance that is full of commitment and an unqualified turning away from our sins, we have, in my opinion, added the idea of works to the Gospel. While this might feel as if it prevents nominal and passive Christianity, it destroys a key essence of our message.</p>
<p><strong>Urine</strong></p>
<p>It is important to note at this point that I am not against preaching repentance that goes beyond a &#8220;feeling sorry for&#8221; sin. Let me attempt to explain using my illustration I began above (and please forgive the crassness of this illustration, but I think it works).</p>
<p>Zach has new saying that he has become fond of. All of these three-year-old phrases are priceless and are among the things that cause me to want to freeze time and keep my kids just the way they are. Every time he does something wrong, he immediately says, &#8220;Sorry.&#8221; It is his new favorite word. However, it has become so overused that some of my other kids have begun to call him on his sincerity. Sometime when I was not there they responded to his &#8220;sorry&#8221; with &#8220;Sorry is not enough.&#8221; Now, every time he does something wrong he says, &#8220;Sorry. Sorry is enough, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, back to the urine. Every time Zach has an &#8220;accident&#8221; <em>and we find out</em>, he says &#8220;Sorry. Sorry is enough.&#8221; Then he goes his merry way. But sorry is <em>not</em> enough. Zach is only sorry because he got caught. There is no <em>true</em> remorse. He is not wrestling with the issue. His conscience remains unaffected. He does not even recognize the smell and uncomfortable feeling. You see, as I said before, my other children had accidents months after they were trained as well. Yet their accidents eventually produced true sorrow. They hated the smell and the feeling of urine on their clothes. Their &#8220;accidents&#8221; were legitimate and eventually remedied due to their true remorse.</p>
<p>The smell of urine is not unlike the conviction brought about by the Holy Spirit. The ability to recognize and hate sin is not unlike the ability to recognize and hate having urine soaked in your clothes. When a person comes to Christ, they smell their own stench of sin for the first time. However, they truly don&#8217;t know what to do about it but call out for help. Repentance for sin may or may not produce immediate change or commitment. It is simply a dramatic recognition of the problem and our <em>inability</em> to remedy it. We come before God soaked in our urine and ask for mercy.</p>
<p>God immediately grants mercy in all cases because there is a true sorrow and hatred for sinfulness (repentance). Our attitude has changed with regard to sin. Our nostrils, for the first time, are just beginning to be able, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to recognize our stench and we don&#8217;t know what to do about. We call on God to help us.</p>
<p>This does not mean that we no longer smell. It does not mean that we present before him our clean clothes. It does not mean that we turn from our sins if we mean by that we stop sinning. That is impossible. We call on God to forgive us for our stench. Implied in that call is the first seed of what will be an ever-growing desire to smell no more.</p>
<p>God immediately gives us the clothes of Christ to wear. Before God, we are clean. But practically speaking, we are still soaked with urine. &#8220;While we were still sinning, Christ died for us&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 5:8" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%205.8/">Rom. 5:8</a>). After this, some people clean up faster than others. Some of us learn to tolerate the stench once again. Some of us clean up our pants, but not our shirt. This is called &#8220;sanctification.&#8221; It is the lifelong process of smelling less and less like urine.</p>
<p>In the end, this is what repentance is: Recognizing you smell like urine, hating the smell, realizing you cannot do anything about it, and calling on God for mercy.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Luke 18:10-14" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%2018.10-14/">Luke 18:10-14</a><br />
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”</p>
<p>My translation:</p>
<p>Two urine soaked men went to church to pray. The first one said, &#8220;Lord, thank you that I don&#8217;t smell like others. Most of the time I make it to the bathroom and have no accidents. Normally, I make it through the night.&#8221; The second was scared to enter the church due to the shame of his smell. He stood outside and said, &#8220;Lord, have mercy on me. I stink.&#8221; I tell you, Christ said, the one who recognized the smell he had went home smelling bad, yet clean.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If election were solely based on what God wanted and not anything in us that might differentiate the chosen from the un-chosen and thus account for why this one and not another, why didn’t God choose all? If he could have, why didn’t he? With this question we run headlong into the theological brick wall called “the secret things of God” (<a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 29:29" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2029.29/">Deut. 29:29</a>), on the other wide of which are mysteries inaccessible to the human mind.</p>
<p>Many mistakenly assume that, if God <em>is</em> by nature loving, he <em>must</em> choose all, as if to say it would be a contradiction of the divine character were he not to love everyone equally. But this fails to note that the saving love of God is also <em>sovereign</em>. John Murray explains it this way:</p>
<p>&#8220;Truly God is love. Love is not something adventitious; it is not something that God may choose to be or choose not to be. He is love, and that necessarily, inherently, and eternally. As God is spirit, as he is light, so he is love. Yet it belongs to the very essence of electing love to recognize that it is not inherently necessary to that love which God necessarily and eternally is that he should set such love as issues in redemption and adoption upon utterly undesirable and hell-deserving objects. It was of the free and sovereign good pleasure of his will, a good pleasure that emanated from the depths of his own goodness, that he chose a people to be heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ. The reason resides wholly in himself and proceeds from determinations that are peculiarly his as the &#8216;I am that I am.&#8217;&#8221;<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn1">[1]</a></p>
<p>Thus, to say that love is sovereign is to say it is distinguishing. It is, by definition as saving love, bestowed upon and experienced only by those who are in fact saved (i.e., the elect). Although there is surely a sense in which God loves the non-elect, he does not love them redemptively. If he did, they would certainly be redeemed. God loves them, but not savingly, else they would certainly be saved. All this is to say that God&#8217;s eternal, electing love is not universal but particular. Of this we may be certain: God was under no obligation to choose any. Were he to have chosen none, he would have remained perfectly just in doing so. That he chose some is a reflection of sovereign mercy.</p>
<p>“OK,” responds the inquiring soul, “I’ll concede that God doesn’t <em>have</em> to love everyone with the love of election, but that doesn’t tell me why he <em>didn’t</em>. It’s one thing to say God was under no obligation or necessity to elect all unto life. It’s another thing entirely to account for why he chose <em>not</em> to elect all unto life. Or again, it’s one thing to say he didn’t <em>need</em> to choose all. It’s something else entirely to say he didn’t <em>want</em> to choose all.”</p>
<p>But why would God not “want” to choose all? It can’t be because some are less worthy than others of being the objects of electing love, for all are equally deserving of wrath and condemnation. It can only be because there is something God “wants” more than whatever benefits might otherwise be gained by choosing all. But what could possibly be more important to God than delivering all hell-deserving sinners from their plight? The Arminian would say: the preservation of human free will. According to Arminianism, God won’t save all because to do so would require that he intrude upon and override the rebellious will of many unbelievers. God so values the purported dignity of libertarian freedom that he chooses only to save those who believe, although it would be possible to save those who don’t as well.<span id="more-6889"></span></p>
<p>The Calvinist answers the question in a different way. Again, what could possibly be more important to God than delivering all hell-deserving sinners from their plight? The answer is: the display of the glory of all his attributes for his delight and that of those whom he has chosen to share it. Piper explains that although God is willing to save all he chooses not to do so,</p>
<p>“because there is something else that he wills more, which would be lost if he exerted his sovereign power to save all. . . . Both [Calvinists and Arminians] can say that God wills for all to be saved. But then when queried why all are not saved both Calvinist and Arminian answer that God is committed to something even more valuable than saving all. . . . What does God will more than saving all? The answer given by Arminians is that human self-determination and the possible resulting love relationship with God are more valuable than saving all people by sovereign, efficacious grace. The answer given by Calvinists is that the greater value is the manifestation of the full range of God’s glory in wrath and mercy (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 9:22-23" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%209.22-23/">Rom. 9:22-23</a>) and the humbling of man so that he enjoys giving all credit to God for his salvation (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor. 1:29" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor.%201.29/">1 Cor. 1:29</a>).”<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn2">[2]</a></p>
<p>In no other area of theology do I feel so urgent a need to be cautious and humble in how I address this problem. What Piper has affirmed and what I am about to say invariably touches a raw nerve in the souls of many, if not all, Christians. I want to avoid sounding flippant or casual in my explanation, lest I give the slightest impression that this is anything less than an incalculably sensitive and explosive matter. How one answers this question, or attempts to answer it while acknowledging that it may well surpass our capacity to fathom, turns on one’s concept of God and the motivation for his having created the human race and sent his Son for the redemption of sinners. With that in mind, and with the unashamed acknowledgment that I may be wrong in the conclusion to which I’ve come, here is what I believe is most consistent with Scripture.</p>
<p>I begin by asking, “Is it truly the case to say God could have elected all unto life?” If by “could” you mean did he have the <em>authority</em> and <em>right</em> and <em>power</em> to choose all, yes. There was no power external to God that would have hindered him in making his electing love universal in scope. There was no deficiency in God’s inherent ability to choose all for life. On the other hand, if God’s choosing was governed by his determination to glorify himself in the highest and most effective way possible by displaying all his divine attributes (including his righteous wrath and justice), I would reverently and humbly say No, he couldn’t have chosen all. That is to say, once divine wisdom determined that the choice of some but not all hell-deserving sinners would most effectively serve to magnify the plenitude of his glory (and of course that is very much the point in dispute), this was a path from which God “could not” deviate (so long, of course, as he retains his determination to achieve this end). Those who take issue with my conclusion will undoubtedly question whether this was in fact the divine motive in creation and redemption. They will contend, in some way, that God’s pre-eminent goal was something other than the display of his own glory. I have attempted to defend this understanding of the ultimate aim of creation and redemption in my books <em>Pleasures Evermore </em>and <em>One Thing </em>and I will simply refer you to the relevant section in those volumes.<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn3">[3]</a></p>
<p>Permit me to once again cite Jonathan Edwards’ explanation of this matter together with a few of my own observations, and then leave it with you to wrestle with the implications. Here is what he said:<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn4">[4]</a></p>
<p>“It is a proper and excellent thing for infinite glory to shine forth; and for the same reason, it is proper that the shining forth of God’s glory should be complete; that is, that all parts of his glory should shine forth, that every beauty should be proportionably effulgent, that the beholder may have a proper notion of God. It is not proper that one glory should be exceedingly manifested, and another not at all, for then the effulgence would not answer the reality.”</p>
<p>Edwards argues elsewhere that it is more than “proper” and “excellent” that God’s glory shine forth in its fullness, it is essential. This isn’t because something other than and outside God requires it of him. Rather, it is the very nature of divine glory that it tends toward self-expression and expansion, not in the sense of growth or quantitative increase, but manifestation and display for the sake of the joy of God’s creatures in it. Not only that, but it is “proper” that all of God’s glory be seen that we may know God as he truly is and not simply in part. If one or several divine attributes were disproportionately dominant in their display (and others barely noted at all), an imbalanced and inaccurate view of God would emerge (this is what Edwards meant when he said that otherwise “the effulgence would not answer the reality”). He continues:</p>
<p>“Thus it is necessary that God’s awful majesty, his authority and dreadful greatness, justice, and holiness, should be manifested. But this could not be, unless sin and punishment had been decreed; so that the shining forth of God’s glory would be very imperfect, both because these parts of divine glory would not shine forth as the others do, and also the glory of his goodness, love, and holiness would be faint without them; nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all.”</p>
<p>In using the word “necessary” he is not suggesting that sin, considered in and of itself, has a right or inherent claim on existence. Rather, sin was “necessary” in the sense that in its absence there would be no occasion for the display of his righteous wrath, justice, and holiness as that in God which requires punishment (or at least no display sufficient for a “complete” or true knowledge of what God is like and why he is glorious). And without a revelation (or “shining forth”) of the wrath that sin deserves there would scarcely be a revelation of the true and majestic depths of goodness, love, and grace that deliver us from it.</p>
<p>“If it were not right that God should decree and permit and punish sin, there could be no manifestation of God’s justice in hatred of sin or in punishing it, . . . or in showing any preference, in his providence, of godliness before it. There would be no manifestation of God’s grace or true goodness, if there was no sin to be pardoned, no misery to be saved from. No matter how much happiness he might bestow, his goodness would not be nearly as highly prized and admired. . . . and the sense of his goodness heightened.</p>
<p>So evil is necessary if the glory of God is to be perfectly and completely displayed. It is also necessary for the highest happiness of humanity, because our happiness consists in the knowledge of God, and the sense of his love. And if the knowledge of God is imperfect (because of a disproportionate display of his attributes), the happiness of the creature must be proportionably imperfect.”</p>
<p>This point is related to what we see in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 9:22-23" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%209.22-23/">Romans 9:22-23</a>. God desired to show his wrath and make known his power in order that his mercy and grace might be seen in unmistakable clarity and his glory displayed to his everlasting praise. Were he to have elected all, rather than some, to eternal life this goal would not have been attained nor would the plenitude of God’s glory been sufficiently seen.</p>
<hr size="1" /><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref1">[1]</a> John Murray, <em>Redemption, Accomplished and Applied </em>(Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1978), p. 10.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref2">[2]</a> John Piper, “Are There Two Wills in God?” in <em>Still Sovereign: Contemporary Perspectives on Election, Foreknowledge &amp; Grace</em>, edited by Thomas R. Schreiner and Bruce A. Ware (Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2000), pp. 123-24.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref3">[3]</a> Sam Storms, <em>Pleasures Evermore: The Life-Changing Power of Enjoying God</em> (Colorado Springs: NavPress, 2000), pp. 81-101; <em>One Thing: Developing a Passion for the Beauty of God</em> (Ross-shire, Scotland: Christian Focus, 2004), pp. 9-44.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref4">[4]</a> I have taken the liberty of smoothing out Edwards’ prose in order to bring greater clarity to his theological argument. The full entry in his Miscellanies from which this has been taken can be found in Jonathan Edwards, <em>The “Miscellanies,”</em> edited by Thomas A. Schafer (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1994), no.348, pp. 419-20.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first in my new &#8220;Questions I Hope No One Asks&#8221; Series As an evangelical Christian, I seek to share Christ with others. Often, in doing so, people have a lot of questions. Many times these are &#8220;soft-ball&#8221; questions about which I am more confident in my response.  However, there are many questions concerning the Christian faith that that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The first in my new &#8220;Questions I Hope No One Asks&#8221; Series</em></p>
<p>As an <em>evangelical</em> Christian, I seek to share Christ with others. Often, in doing so, people have a lot of questions. Many times these are &#8220;soft-ball&#8221; questions about which I am more confident in my response.  However, there are many questions concerning the Christian faith that that are much more difficult to answer and about which I am less confident in what I have to say. Most of the time it is not simply that I don&#8217;t have the answer, but that they are questions that I myself would love to present before the throne of God.</p>
<p><strong>Questions I hope no one asks #1: </strong></p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t God save everyone?</p>
<p><strong>Insufficient Answers:</strong></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Because he does not interfere with free will.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is the answer that would be given by some of my friends who don&#8217;t hold to the same particular theological persuasions that I have. I think it is the best of all the insufficient answers out there and does contain a certain element of truth. The idea is that God provides the <em>means</em> for salvation for everyone, but it is up to the individuals to choose God. As the old saying goes, &#8220;God casts a vote for you. Satan casts a vote against you. You hold the tie-breaking vote.&#8221; The emphasis is on the &#8220;you.&#8221; God has done his part, you are now the master of your faith and the captain of your soul.</p>
<p>However, this is problematic for me for some substantial reasons. Most importantly, I don&#8217;t think Scripture teaches this. I believe that we all have cast our vote against God. Hence, we have already exercised our &#8220;free will,&#8221; submitted our ballot, and checked the box next to &#8220;I stand with Adam; I hate God.&#8221; Satan has no vote for anyone. He only casts a ballot for himself. Therefore, we are in a very precarious situation. Humanity took a stand with Adam in Eden and exercised its freedom collectively and voted against God. In this sense, we are &#8220;in Adam.&#8221; Our choice was made &#8220;in and with&#8221; him (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 5:12-21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%205.12-21/">Rom. 5:12-21</a>). If anyone is to be saved, our will and choice already made &#8220;in Adam&#8221; must be changed from the outside. In the end, God&#8217;s &#8220;vote&#8221; or election is all that matters. If we are to be saved, we must have <em>our</em> vote vetoed.</p>
<p>&#8220;So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy [or vetoes]&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom 9:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom%209.16/">Rom 9:16</a>).</p>
<p>Yes, man&#8217;s choice does matter. But mankind was condemned long ago with Adam. Our wills are in bondage to our sin. We have no ability to turn to God or choose him (<a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%203/">Rom. 3</a>). If anyone is to be saved, God must sovereignly do the saving.</p>
<p>But, unfortunately, the question remains: Why doesn&#8217;t he save everyone?</p>
<p><em>&#8220;God does not love everyone.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I also know many people who take this &#8220;out.&#8221; For them, God&#8217;s only saves those whom he loves. For them, there are many who are hated by God. Therefore, God does not save them because they are objects of his hatred.<span id="more-6831"></span></p>
<p>Although I have a knee-jerk reaction to such emotionally rapping explanations, my emotional disposition toward anything has no vote in truth. I could not say, &#8220;This cannot be. I would not serve a God who is so vindictive, trivial, and evil.&#8221; If God is this way, then so be it. He is still God and I am not. However, this option does not find any valid biblical support. The Bible says that &#8220;God so loved <em>the world</em> that he gave his only Son&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="John 3:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%203.16/">John 3:16</a>). As well, <a class="bibleref" title="Titus 3:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Titus%203.4/">Titus 3:4</a> says that his love is for all mankind. According to <a class="bibleref" title="2 Pet 3:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Pet%203.9/">2 Pet 3:9</a> he does not desire <em>any</em> to perish. While I believe that God has a particular type of &#8220;elective love&#8221; for those who are being saved, I don&#8217;t believe the others are hated in an unqualified sense. God loves all his creation.</p>
<p>But, again, this begs the question: Why doesn&#8217;t he save everyone?</p>
<p><em>&#8220;He is going to save everyone.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is my favorite answer. This is the answer I <em>want</em> to be true. Give me enough reason to find a loophole to get out of the doctrine of hell, and I will take it. Help me to find a way to get everyone a reservation in the kingdom of God, and I will bite. However, I have searched and searched for such a loophole and cannot find it. There is an ever terrifying truth that escalates in the Scriptures concerning the reality of ultimate destruction for so many of God&#8217;s creation. &#8220;Enter by the narrow gate,&#8221; Christ warns, &#8221; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Mat 7:13-14" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Mat%207.13-14/">Mat 7:13-14</a>). And Christ even makes it more clear when someone asks him the question of the hour:</p>
<p>&#8220;And someone said to Him, &#8220;Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?&#8221; And He [Christ] said to them, &#8216;Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, &#8216;Lord, open up to us!&#8217; then He will answer and say to you, &#8216;I do not know where you are from.&#8217; Then you will begin to say, &#8216;We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets&#8217;; and He will say, &#8216;I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.&#8217; There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth there when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being cast out (<a class="bibleref" title="Luk 13:23-28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luk%2013.23-28/">Luk 13:23-28</a>).</p>
<p>Though I would like to opt for some sort of universal salvation (universalism), I find no warrant other than wishful thinking. Therefore, I yield to a source greater and higher than my opinion and remain confused by the question, Why doesn&#8217;t God save everyone?</p>
<p><strong>My Answer:</strong></p>
<p>The best answer I have is &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221; God has not seen fit to tell us why all are not saved. We know these basic facts: 1) All people are part of a race that chose against God. 2) God did not have to save anyone and he would still be just. 3) God loves all people. 4) God has the power to save all people. 5) God is only saving certain people.</p>
<p>But we also know that God could have told us why he is not saving everyone, but he has chosen not to. There are many things that God has kept in the secret council of his will (<a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 29:29" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2029.29/">Deut. 29:29</a>). He is not saying, &#8220;This is for me to know and you to find out, nah, nah, na boo boo.&#8221; He is saying, &#8220;Listen. There are some things that are good questions, but I have seen fit to withhold the answer. I am good. Trust me when I say I love everyone. Trust me when I say I know what I am doing. Trust me that I know best. Can you trust me?&#8221; Many of us take the moral high-ground on God and say &#8220;No. You are condemned by my hand.&#8221; Others adjust what the Scriptures say to make things more palatable. In the end, I just encourage all of us to trust him. This is what faith is all about friend. He does know what he is doing, even when we don&#8217;t have the answers.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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