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		<title>Why I Hate Roman Catholicism, Part 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My post this weekend about embracing doubt has stirred up quite a few people. The truth is that the post started and ended as an encouragement for us not to approach our studies with the intent of confirming our prejudice. In order for true learning to take place we have to be willing to change. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/08/embracing-doubt-or-why-roman-catholic-scholarship-is-an-oxymoron/">My post this weekend</a> about embracing doubt has stirred up quite a few people. The truth is that the post started and ended as an encouragement for us not to approach our studies with the intent of confirming our prejudice. In order for true learning to take place we have to be willing to change. So far, so good?</p>
<p>Of course this is not the reason I had to put on my bulletproof vest. The post turned from a &#8221;ho-hum&#8221; reminder to a slanderous &#8220;how could you?&#8221; when I used Roman Catholicism as an illustration of an institution that limits freedom. Further, from this, I suggested that <em>true</em> Roman Catholics cannot be good scholars. In order to qualify as &#8220;good&#8221; scholars, they have to be a bit rebellious.</p>
<p>I have been quite taken aback by the responses. <em>Part</em> of me is glad to see so many Protestants coming to the defense of Roman Catholics. It tells me that our readership is made up of those who are kind and gracious, not wanting to make unnecessary divides and not liking harsh rhetoric (which does nothing to advance our cause and does not honor Christ). Though I don&#8217;t think I made any overstatements or used sensationalistic rhetoric to make my point, I am glad to see pushback, so long as it is thoughtful. As well, I believe I have earned the right to write a &#8220;wounds of a friend&#8221; post every once in a while. Those of you who are regulars of this blog know that I don&#8217;t engage in polemics very often. I feel I have written in a balanced way over the years, even if it has not been perfect. But every so often I will write something that cuts to the quick. Looking back at this post, it would have done me well to preface it with a study on the Roman Catholic view of authority. This might have served as a reminder (to those of us who are Protestants) why we<em> don&#8217;t</em> believe in an infallible Magisterium, and why we <em>do</em> believe this body ultimately does much more harm than good.</p>
<p><strong>My History with Roman Catholicism</strong></p>
<p>When I was exploring the Roman Catholic faith many years ago, I did not do so as a mere outsider who was trying to gather apologetic ammo. I did so prayerfully and respectfully, wrestling with the Lord concerning every detail and doctrine. After nearly a year of daily engagement with Catholicism (sometimes for 4-5 hours a day &#8211; my whole family remembers<em> that </em>time!), reading and talking with the &#8220;best of&#8221; Roman Catholics, I came to understand Catholicism at a whole different level. My fellowship with many Catholics became so close and sweet that many of them approached me and said that they all knew that it was simply a matter of time before I converted. However, this was not to be.</p>
<p>During this time I reshaped my understanding of Catholicism in many ways. For example:</p>
<p><strong>Prayers to Mary and the saints:</strong> I used to think that these amounted to worship of Many the saints. While this might be true of some Roman Catholics, it did not represent the true teaching of the Church on this matter. When Catholics pray to Mary and the saints, it is not unlike when you or I ask someone to pray for us. We are not worshiping the one we ask to pray for us, are we? When a Roman Catholic prays to a saint, they are simply asking them to intercede on their behalf the same way as when you or I ask a friend to pray for us. And from their perspective, who better to ask to pray for you then Mary, Jesus&#8217; mother! <span id="more-8583"></span></p>
<p>Yes, I still disagree with this practice, but I don&#8217;t view it as saint worship anymore.</p>
<p><strong>Purgatory:</strong> I used to think this was a doctrine which expressed a wholly deficient view of the atonement. What Christ did was not enough. His payment was insufficient, so we must spend some atoning time in Purgatory. While this is the view of <em>some</em> Roman Catholics, others merely see it as &#8220;washing up before dinner.&#8221; In other words, all of us believe in some type of process that <em>completely</em> sanctifies us after death. We all believe that Christians die imperfect and fallen, but something happens between death and the presence of God, which makes us actually and totally free from all sin. What happens? What cleanses us? Catholics call this Purgatory. Many see it as a timeless (almost instantaneous) event. It is like our last surgery.</p>
<p>While I strongly disagree with any type of atoning event which uses suffering as its means of cleansing, I can live with this &#8220;modified&#8221; understanding of Purgatory without getting too bent out of shape these days.</p>
<p><strong>Doctrinal Development:</strong> But hasn&#8217;t Catholicism changed so much over the years? How can they claim to be a stable entity when they have contradicted themselves so often? Those who are serious about understanding Roman Catholic theology as it stands today must engage <em>An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine</em> by John Henry Newman. In my opinion, it is the most important Roman Catholic apologetic work of the last two centuries, and possibly since the Reformation. In essence, Newman gives Rome an articulated defense of how and why Roman Catholic doctrine develops (i.e., it develops, but does not change).</p>
<p>Again, I disagree with the work&#8217;s final implications (that Rome has not <em>really</em> changed), but I can now understand how one can still have their historic integrity and their Catholicism, too.</p>
<p>My journey in and out of Roman Catholicism was an incredible struggle, filled with the fostering of new friendships, appreciation, and some degree of anxiety as I returned my visitor&#8217;s pass and sailed back across the Tiber. There are so many things to say, but I must move quickly to a justification of my last post concerning their scholarship.</p>
<p><strong>Can Catholics Disagree with Rome and Remain Catholics?</strong></p>
<p>As many of you know, my primary training is in New Testament studies. I love and respect theology, philosophy, and church history, but when push comes to shove, I want to know what the text says. I love to study commentaries. I love to read them cover to cover. Although I could do a much better job of it, I love to keep up on my Greek. Nothing persuades me of truth more than discovering it in the Bible. In short, I love exegesis.</p>
<p>Issues related to interpretation became a major focus of my conversations with Catholics. My primary question was this: What if I have an interpretation of a text that does not agree with Rome? Is that okay? What you have to know is that there <em>is</em> quit a bit of freedom to interpret in the Roman Catholic system. Wait. I know what you are thinking. Doesn&#8217;t that militate against what your previous post argued &#8211; that there is not academic freedom in Rome? Well, it depends on what you mean. You see, contrary to popular opinion, Rome has not spoken directly and dogmatically to many passages of Scripture. Even the Pope rarely, if ever, speaks infallibly. He is just as fallible as you or I 99.999% of the time. It is only when he speaks &#8220;from the chair&#8221; that his words are <em>infallibly</em> binding. And there is quite a bit of debate among Catholics as to when Popes have actually exercised this privilege. In other words, there is not a &#8220;Dogmatic-Required-by-Rome-Commentary&#8221; out there. The Pope and councils have not laid out how understand <em>every</em> text of the Bible. Therefore, there is some degree of freedom.</p>
<p>However, there are some passages, such as <a class="bibleref" title="Matthew 16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Matthew%2016/">Matthew 16</a>, that have been dogmatized (you know, the whole &#8220;Peter and the keys to heaven establishing the Papacy&#8221; thing). More importantly, <em>theology</em> has been dogmatized. In other words, however one reads the Scripture, in the end, the reading must fall in line with Roman Catholic <em>theology</em>.</p>
<p>So&#8230;can one interpret the Bible in a way that conflicts with Roman Catholic theology? The answer is no.</p>
<p>In my attempts to understand Roman Catholicism, I looked and looked for loopholes.</p>
<p>What if I come to the conviction that Mary was not ever-virgin? Can I teach accordingly? No.</p>
<p>What if I come to the conviction that missing mass on Sundays is not a mortal sin? Can I teach and act accordingly? No.</p>
<p>What if I came to the conclusion that the Bible teaches against the doctrine of Purgatory? Can I teach my kids this? No.</p>
<p>What if I disagreed with the doctrine of transubstantiation, believing that <a class="bibleref" title="John 6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%206/">John 6</a> was not to be taken literally? Could I teach and believe accordingly? No. Well, not if I expect to be a true Roman Catholic.</p>
<p><strong>What About Hans Kung?</strong></p>
<p>In response to my last post, many people brought up the fact that there are many within the Catholic Church who have disagreed with the Church and are still in good standing. Therefore, they believe this invalidates my last post. Hans Kung is <em>always</em> the example in these cases! While it is true that Rome has not formally excommunicated Kung, this does not serve as a good illustration, as any good Catholic will inform you. One does not have to be <em>formally</em> excommunicated to have lost their standing in the Church. Think about it. I am sure that there are many everyday dads and moms and brothers and sisters who have never been formally &#8220;kicked out&#8221; of the Church, yet hold incredibly aberrant views. They are not &#8220;safe&#8221; simply because the institution has not formally recognized their apostasy. Apostasy is defined very clearly and happens upon the subject&#8217;s departure, <em>not the Church&#8217;s recognition of this departure</em>. So one should expect to find thousands, indeed millions, of examples of those who hold views different from Rome&#8217;s, but are still &#8220;members in good standing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, this was such an important question for me: Can one study the Bible and come to conclusions that are different than what has been dogmatized by Rome, and still be a <em>true</em> Catholic?</p>
<p>Let me quote Rome:</p>
<p>&#8220;23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.</p>
<p>When the Magisterium proposes &#8216;in a definitive way&#8217; truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, <em>these must be firmly accepted and held</em>.(22)&#8221; (emphasis mine; <a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19900524_theologian-vocation_en.html">Source</a>)</p>
<p>Accepted and held. This is more than a mere &#8220;I will not <em>teach</em> against this&#8221; like we have in the documents of membership at Stonebriar Community Church. This doctrines much be accepted and held. And this is not a passive acceptance, but one that must be <em>firm</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Doesn&#8217;t Evangelicalism Have the Same Limits?</strong></p>
<p>Finally, a word about Roman Catholicism compared to Evangelicalism. Many have objected to me using Rome as a punching bag, believing that if Catholicism lacks freedom, then the same must be said of Evangelicalism. In a way, I see where people are coming from. However, this does not really work. Evangelicalism is not an institution. It has no creeds, documents of incorporation, headquarters, president, or pope. In theory, Evangelicalism is descriptive of a movement with which like-minded believers network or identify. One cannot be &#8220;kicked out&#8221; of Evangelicalism. One does not become an Evangelical by vowing to submit to the authority or even the <em>idea</em> of Evangelicalism. Therefore, the comparison does not work.</p>
<p>I even had someone complain by saying that since I was a 5-point Calvinist, the same restraints were upon me. They said that I did not have the freedom to interpret the Scriptures outside of my 5-point Calvinistic paradigm. Again, this is in no way parallel. Not only is 5-point Calvinism not an institution to which I submit, it is merely a description of my beliefs. I am free to become a 4-point Calvinist tomorrow if I so desire. (And this  often happens!. Every time I study the book of John, or talk with Dr. Hall Harris III, I become more 4-point.)</p>
<p>Again, the end is the same. Becoming a Roman Catholic amounts to a submission of your beliefs to the authority of Rome. I think one can be a fine philosopher, sociologist, epistemologist, and ethicist and still be a Roman Catholic. However, when it comes to theology and, most specifically, exegetical studies of the Bible, I don&#8217;t think he or she can be a scholar, since they lack the academic freedom to disagree with Rome.</p>
<p>Contray to what many people have said, I don&#8217;t hate Rome. Maybe I should have used Mormonism as the example. You think there would have been less push-back if I did? I probably shouldn&#8217;t have used any illustration at all! Just left it as &#8220;Embracing Doubt.&#8221; Oh well, damage done.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Embracing Doubt or Why &#8216;Roman Catholic Scholarship&#8217; is an Oxymoron</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oxymoron means &#8220;sharp dullness.&#8221; It describes a figure of speech in which two words that are contradictory are put together. For example, &#8220;accurate rumors&#8221; is an oxymoron. Why? Because by definition, a rumor is not yet deemed to be accurate. Other examples could include: &#8220;insane logic,&#8221; &#8220;public secret,&#8221; &#8220;instant classic,&#8221; or my favorite, &#8220;government intelligence.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxymoron means &#8220;sharp dullness.&#8221; It describes a figure of speech in which two words that are contradictory are put together. For example, &#8220;accurate rumors&#8221; is an oxymoron. Why? Because by definition, a rumor is not yet deemed to be accurate. Other examples could include: &#8220;insane logic,&#8221; &#8220;public secret,&#8221; &#8220;instant classic,&#8221; or my favorite, &#8220;government intelligence.&#8221; However, over the years I have come to believe that &#8221;Roman Catholic scholarship&#8221; is an oxymoron. I don&#8217;t believe one can be a Roman Catholic and a scholar at the same time. Well, let me put it another way: I don&#8217;t believe one can be a <em>true</em> Roman Catholic and a scholar at the same time. Why? Because being a Roman Catholic militates against what makes someone a scholar in my opinion.</p>
<p>I know, I know.  I don&#8217;t ever write this . . . this . . . well, this <em>polemical</em>. It seems as if I am discrediting Roman Catholic scholarship with a heavy hand by an <em>ad hom</em> fiat. Please know this is not what I mean to do. There are going to be plenty of people thrown under the bus with this one. In fact, let me start by saying there are many Roman Catholics whom I deeply respect. I am not anti-Catholic. As well, there are many Roman Catholics whom I believe qualify as scholars. However, once they become a scholar (and I am talking about theology here), as I will explain, they have to depart to some degree from Rome. I am not saying that they actually depart from their core Catholic beliefs. I am simply saying that they must suspend their commitment to Rome in order to meet what I believe to be an essential characteristic of scholarship.</p>
<p>Most of you would not think of yourself as scholars. I understand that. I don&#8217;t think of myself as such either. However, I would assume that you attempt to be good students. Namely, you attempt to be students of truth.</p>
<p>Let me back up a bit.</p>
<p><strong>Rene Descartes and Doubt</strong></p>
<p>Rene Descartes is often thought of as the father of modernity. He gets a bad rap these days, especially by our postmodern and emerging friends. I think <em>some</em> of the bad rap is justified, particularly his quest for indubitability (How&#8217;s that for a word? Don&#8217;t try to say it out loud at home). Indubitability means absolute and perfect certainty. Rene Descartes (and many of his modernistic buddies) wanted their beliefs to be beyond the ability to be wrong. Like 1 plus 1 equals 2, Descartes wanted all matters of faith to share such comforting certainty (indubitably). I can&#8217;t get into all the fallacies here, but let&#8217;s just say that this quest was not only impossible, but unnecessary. Our beliefs do not have to be infallible before we are justified in possessing them. However, Descartes&#8217; methodology had many redeeming elements that provide benchmarks of inquiry, learning, and knowledge. The first and most important thing Descartes taught was that we are to doubt. Doubt everything!</p>
<p>Doubt gets a hard rap in religious circles. In fact, we are often told that the opposite of faith is doubt. For many, doubt is only what unbelievers do. It is true that doubt can be a bad thing, but it largely depends on the context and how you understand it. Doubt can be, and very often is, healthy. In fact, I argue that doubt is a necessary first step to true conviction, understanding, and real faith. Let me explain.</p>
<p><strong>The Essence of Scholarship</strong></p>
<p>In order to learn, one must be willing to change. I don&#8217;t mean that they must be willing to merely go from the lesser to the greater, but also from the greater to the lesser, or even from the greater to the none. If we are to be true learners, we must be able to suspend our convictions to some degree. Of course, all knowledge requires some basic foundational assumptions, as Descartes began to articulate, but all knowledge must be challenged in order to graduate to true faith. We must be willing to set aside our preconceptions, passions, and emotional attachments in order to enter a learning environment. We must be willing to doubt everything, even our doubts.</p>
<p>Scholarship is based on the assumption that the best, most accurate, and trustworthy information is being sought. Scholarship is <em>not</em> based on the assumption that we are attempting to prove what we already know or believe. I learned a dictum early in my seminary career from my friend and co-blogger, Dan Wallace: &#8220;We are in pursuit of the truth, not prejudice.&#8221; In other words, we must do our best to approach our studies with the intent to follow the evidence <em>no matter where it leads</em>. This is a hard thing to do, as we all have our prejudices. We all have a &#8220;home team&#8221; for which we root. This is why being true students is very hard. We don&#8217;t like to be challenged, only confirmed. However, if we are to be true students &#8211; true scholars &#8211; we must be willing to suspend, to the best of our ability, our prejudices.</p>
<p><strong>A Word About Apologetics</strong></p>
<p>I love apologetics, don&#8217;t get me wrong. But what I am about to say will offend many apologists out there. Nine times out of ten, I don&#8217;t think apologists make good scholars. &#8220;Apologetics&#8221; is defined most broadly in Christian circles as defending the faith. This means when there is something &#8211; an idea, event, book, or person &#8211; presenting challenges to the faith, the apologist will come to the rescue.</p>
<p>While there are <em>Christian</em> apologists out there, there are also apologists for particular areas. For example, there are apologists for young earth creationism, evolutionary theism, inerrancy, premillenialism, and counter-cults. There are also apologists for the individual traditions in the Christian faith, such as Protestant apologists and Roman Catholic apologists. Of course, apologetics is not limited to the Christian faith, as there are apologists for atheism, Mormonism, and Islam. <span id="more-8566"></span></p>
<p>While I think apologetics is a necessary and much-needed discipline, and while I believe there are some very good and honest apologists out there (such as my friends Rob Bowman, Paul Copan, and Mike Licona, to name a few), most of the time the discipline falls into the trap of being a perpetual exercise in defending presuppositions.  Anytime there is a preset conclusion to which your data and interpretation of the data <em>must</em> point, apologetics turns bad. It is no longer a scholarly pursuit, since it has a predetermined outcome.</p>
<p>In our studies, we must be free to question, search, deny, confirm, doubt, and change. As hard as it is, we must allow ourselves this liberty. If we come to a subject with what we believe to be infallible or indubitable certainty, all of the data, <em>no matter what it says</em>, will be bent, shaped, and manipulated to fit this preset conclusion. Even our most vital and basic beliefs must be open to question. Why? We are fallible. Our ideas <em>could</em> be wrong. Our prejudices <em>can</em> be ill-founded. In short, we must question ourselves <em>because we are not God</em>.</p>
<p><strong>What God Thinks of Doubt</strong></p>
<p>When it comes to our faith in God, this is not less important, but <em>more</em> important. In order for our faith to be strong, our ability to test our faith must be valid. Paul admonishes the Corinthians to test the the sincerity of their faith (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Cor 13:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Cor%2013.5/">2 Cor 13:5</a>). Without doubt, our faith can never <em>really</em> be tested. For to even take a test there must be some suspension of our presumption of perfection. Paul tells the Thessalonians to test or examine all things carefully, and only hold fast to that which is worthy of our faith (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Thess 5:21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Thess%205.21/">1 Thess 5:21</a>). This is the basic idea of discernment, which requires a critical methodology. The Psalmist asks the Lord to test his mind and his heart (<a class="bibleref" title="Psalm 26:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Psalm%2026.2/">Psalm 26:2</a>). God tests us all the time. The purpose of his testing is not to leave us in doubt, but that our doubt would progressively turn to assurance. In order for conviction to arise in our beliefs, tests must be conducted.</p>
<p>In the end, when we test our faith, when we doubt, when we discern, when we critically examine our most fundamental beliefs (remember, Paul says test <em>all</em> things) under the microscope and they survive, they are much stronger than they were before the test. Doubt is a necessary precondition to faith. Discernment is a necessary precondition to following God.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Christians should have any fear in testing their faith. We should not fear the doubt that leads to assurance of truth. Not only does God not mind our aspirations to such scholarship, he beckons us to such.</p>
<p><strong>Why &#8220;Roman Catholic scholarship&#8221; is an oxymoron</strong></p>
<p>What does this have to do with Roman Catholicism? Well, as you can see, this post is about much more than <em>just</em> the viability of Roman Catholic scholarship. While what I have described above is very difficult for anyone with deep commitments, it is most difficult, in Christianity, for those who exist under authoritative human leadership. Christian traditions do not get much more authoritative than Roman Catholicism. To be fair, there are unspoken authoritative structures in many Christian traditions that, while not claiming infallibility, do share the same fundamental guidelines. Outside the Christian faith, it is not much different. I find atheists have the least ability to question their atheism, but this has more to do with personal emotional fundamentalistic commitments than any human authority. This is why atheism boasts of being the most objective, but this boast is, most of the time, very empty.</p>
<p>Roman Catholicism, however, exists under a official umbrella of authoritative &#8211; indeed <em>infallible - </em>dogmatic assertions. Again, while no one is completely objective in their studies, Roman Catholics, when it comes to their defined dogma, cannot <em>really</em> study objectively.  Why? Because their conclusions are already laid out. For example, if a Roman Catholic is interpreting the Scriptures, he <em>must</em> come to conclusions that are in line with what Rome has already said about the subject. He doesn&#8217;t have the freedom to disagree. He doesn&#8217;t have the freedom to doubt, if the doubt implies an actual possibility that Rome is wrong.</p>
<p>This is why all true Roman Catholics &#8220;scholars&#8221; are <em>necessarily</em> apologists who follow the prejudice of Rome, not the the data. Were they to doubt and come to conflicting opinions on something the Church has dogmatized, they are no longer, by definition, Roman Catholic.</p>
<p>In truth, most Roman Catholics don&#8217;t function in this way. In fact, the Roman Catholics whose scholarship I trust the most are a bit rebellious. They are not truly Roman Catholic. Apologists on the inside of Rome would call them &#8220;cafeteria Catholics,&#8221; since they pick and choose which beliefs they like best.</p>
<p><em>This is not to say that the trust they put in Rome is ill-founded.</em> I don&#8217;t happen to think the magisterial authority of Rome is worthy of such trust, but that is not the subject of this post. Another time, maybe. This simply means that when it comes to <em>biblical</em> and <em>theological</em> studies, the designation &#8220;Roman Catholic scholar&#8221; is an oxymoron. Their conclusions, no matter how unlikely, must sing in harmony with Rome. However, <em>it must be said</em>, that if they are right and the Magisterial authority is infallible (which is the key meta-issue before all others between Protestants and Roman Catholics), then their methodology is secure to the degree that they can demonstrate this claim.</p>
<p>While Protestantism is certainly not perfect, there is freedom for true biblical and theological scholarship to exist. Protestants don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to be lawyers defending a client of tradition, but can instead be investigators of truth. We <em>can</em> be critical scholars. Whether or not we always practice this is a different matter, but the issue is one of allowance. Yes, the greater the allowance, the more the diversity. But the greater the allowance for diversity, the greater the possibility of true conviction to exist. Evangelicals <em>can </em>let the evidence take them <em>wherever</em> it leads, not simply to a predetermined destination. Therefore, I believe Protestant Evangelicals can practice true scholarship to a degree that other traditions, especially Roman Catholicism, cannot.</p>
<p><strong>Finding Personal Conviction Through Embracing Doubt</strong></p>
<p>However, this does get very personal. In the end, Christians, no matter what their tradition, need to increase their faith. This does not mean holding our hands against our ears, covering our eyes, and blindly following a predetermined route. Our conviction must be personal. It cannot be blindly outsourced. This was one of the many things that the Reformation brought back into focus: true conviction.</p>
<p>Martin Luther stood before a council ready to take on the prejudices of his day. Not without fear but full of courage, Luther, at the Council of Worms (in Wittenberg, Germany, 1517), gave his famous speech:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Unless I am convinced by the testimony from scripture or by evident reason—for I confide neither in the Pope nor in a Council alone, since it is certain they have often erred and contradicted themselves—I am held fast by the scriptures adduced by me, and my conscience is held captive by God’s Word, and I neither can nor will revoke anything, seeing it is not safe or right to act against conscience. God help me. Amen.&#8221;</p>
<p>What was he doing? Doubting. Learning. Growing. Becoming more convicted. Adducing for himself. Did he believe that he could have been wrong about his previous commitments concerning the Catholic church? Yes. This is what set him on the reformation path. Did this produce fear? <em>Affectung</em>. This is the type of fear he describes. It is a German word that cannot easily be translated into English. It carries all the connotations of fear, with a much more paralyzing result. In short, Luther was doubting and scared. But he knew that this was the cost of true conviction and scholarship.</p>
<p>Sadly, many of us (Roman Catholic or otherwise) do not often follow this legacy.  While it is easy to get caught up in defending our prejudice, let us take up this mantle of learning and be ready, for the sake of our Lord, to change when necessary. We recognize that the possibility of true conviction necessitates the possibility of error, but is this too great a price to pay? Embrace your doubts. Doubt your doubts. Test all things. Follow the evidence, not your presuppositions.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>The Rise of Rome in a Nutshell</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In order to be a good Protestant, you must be a good anti-Catholic. I am not Catholic. I am Protestant. There are many doctrines of the Roman Catholic church that I am against, but there are many things that I appreciate about them. Both Protestants and Roman Catholics have our lineage in the catholic church. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">In order to be a good Protestant, you must be a good anti-Catholic. I am not Catholic. I am Protestant. There are many doctrines of the Roman Catholic church that I am against, but there are many things that I appreciate about them.</p>
<p>Both Protestants and Roman Catholics have our lineage in the catholic church. Yes, I just said <em>that</em>. I am catholic, but not <em>Roman </em>Catholic. I&#8217;ve got some info for you: If you are a Christian, you are catholic too. This differentiation between catholic and <em>Roman </em>Catholic is part of a solid Protestant polemic against Roman Catholicism. It normally drives Roman Catholic apologists crazy, since it undermines their belief that they are the one true church. But it is true; Protestants are catholic Christians, but not <em>Roman </em>Catholic Christians. The word &#8220;catholic&#8221; was used very early to describe the church. It simply meant &#8220;universal,&#8221; describing the church&#8217;s universality. The church is not exclusive to Gentiles, Jews, Greeks, Romans, those in the East, or those in the West. The church that Christ built is universal, or &#8220;catholic.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, there was an institutional arm of the catholic church that eventually became known as the Roman<em> </em>Catholic church, complete with its own hierarchy, doctrines, and liturgical distinctives. The type of institutionalization that eventually characterized the Roman Catholic church is one of the major issues the Protestants battled against, believing that it had corrupted the catholic church to the core, even obscuring the Gospel itself. We now call it the <em>Roman </em>Catholic church due to its identification with the &#8220;seat of Rome.&#8221; This seat, according to the Roman Catholics, is the perpetual seat of ultimate authority that Peter passed on. It is known today as the papacy, which is the office of the Pope. The Pope sits in the seat of Rome, having the infallible authority to guide and direct the church in matters of faith and practice. He, along with the magisterium, form the institution and can, through &#8220;ordinary&#8221; or &#8220;extraordinary&#8221; means, intervene in church life and doctrine in a binding way. If a heresy arises in the church, the institution can condemn it, thus securing the faith of the church. Intervention rarely takes place (though this is debated), but this infallible safeguard  can theoretically step in at any time and protect the church from corruption.</p>
<p>How did this come into being? Protestants are right to point out that this institution is not biblical. If this is the truth, and this system is not biblical, how did such an institution come into being?</p>
<p>The answer is very complex, but let me attempt to give you a bird&#8217;s eye view by means of some charts!</p>
<p><strong>Apostolic Succession</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/apostolic-succession.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-8033 aligncenter" title="apostolic-succession" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/apostolic-succession.gif" alt="" width="600" height="170" /></a></p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s get introduced to a concept called &#8220;apostolic succession.&#8221; This is not simply a <em>Roman </em>Catholic concept. As we will see, in its uncorrupted and ideal state, apostolic succession is very important for the church, Roman Catholic or not. Notice the chart. It starts with Jesus. Jesus handed his teaching over to twelve Apostles. The Apostles were authorities in the early church. When they spoke, people listened. Why? Because they were trained by Christ. They were witnesses of his death, burial, and resurrection. They carried unique authority in the establishment of the church.<span id="more-8031"></span></p>
<p>So far, so good? Protestants and Catholics agree to this point. The next step is that the Apostles passed on their faith to others. Easy enough. The Apostles commissioned others to be <em>leaders and authorities </em>in the church. They handed over the faith to followers, like Timothy, who were approved in both their life and teaching. This created a succession of faith and teaching. They would often call this &#8220;laying on of hands.&#8221; With this &#8220;system&#8221; in place, the church maintained a safeguard against rogue expressions of the Christian faith. This is why Paul warned about commissioning people too hastily (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim. 5:22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim.%205.22/">1 Tim. 5:22</a>).</p>
<p>Again, to this point both Protestants and Catholics agree. We need to pass on the faith. We need to commission others that have been approved. There needs to be accountability. However, the departure comes when we begin to define not only what this succession of authority is, but what it does. Again, we agree that it is the duty of the church to pass on the faith once for all handed to the saints (<a class="bibleref" title="Jude 3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Jude%203/">Jude 3</a>). We agree that the church is the &#8220;pillar of truth&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Tim. 3:15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Tim.%203.15/">1 Tim. 3:15</a>). We also agree that all in this succession are saints and a part of the church. However, Catholics believe that in order for this succession to be valid, it has to be seen as primarily a succession in <em>person</em>. Protestants, on the other hand, believe that the primary issue involved it is a succession in <em>teaching,</em> <em>doctrine, </em>and<em> practice.</em> Therefore, Roman Catholics focus on <em>the one to whom the succession is given</em>, while Protestants focus on the <em>teaching and doctrine itself</em>, believing that the <em>person </em>who receives the succession is instrumental, not integral.</p>
<p>Therefore, in essence, for the Roman Catholic, the <em>persons </em>in succession <em>define </em>the Gospel and make up the institutional church which <em>presides over</em> the Gospel. Hence, Catholics have the Pope and the magisterium of bishops (as represented by the fellows in the graph that follow the apostles). For the Protestant, on the other hand, it is the other way around. Only to the degree that the person is in succession with right teaching are they in apostolic succession. A hasty &#8220;laying on of hands&#8221; is possible, and can damage both the doctrine and reputation of the church.</p>
<p>This is why Protestants are continually going back to the source &#8211; the Bible &#8211; for final authority (<em>sola Scriptura</em>) and why Roman Catholics are continually going to the institution for final authority.</p>
<p>But there is one more way in which the chasm is further widened between Roman Catholics and Protestants with regard to the issue of apostolic succession. For the Roman Catholic, in order for this institution to have ultimate authority, it must possess the gift of infallibility. For the Protestant, the person upon whom the hands are laid (along with the institution, which is made up of a bunch of fellas upon whom hands have been laid) is fallible. Only the Apostles&#8217; <em>teaching </em>is not. For the Protestant, apostolic succession <em>is </em>a safeguard to the Gospel, but it must be continually tested by the Scriptures.</p>
<p>So both believe in &#8220;Apostolic succession&#8221; and have some similarities in their understanding and rationale for Apostolic succession.</p>
<p><strong>Regula Fide</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/regula-fide-1.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-8049 aligncenter" title="regula-fide-1" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/regula-fide-1.png" alt="" width="500" height="198" /></a></p>
<p>The next component which characterizes both Roman Catholics and Protestants is the idea of the <em>regula fide </em>(though it is much more central for Roman Catholicism). This literally means &#8220;rule of faith.&#8221; In essence, the rule of faith was the unwritten tradition which summarized the orthodox understanding which is found both in the Scriptures and the apostolic succession of the church. This is expressed through the creeds, confessions, and traditions that are passed from generation to generation. Because Scripture is the final authority, individual interpretation is <em>not </em>the final authority. We interpret the Bible <em>in and with </em>the church. When doctrine is established, it is not established with an individual, his Bible, and the Holy Spirit, but with an individual, his Bible, and the Holy Spirit who is at work both through the individual and the historic body of Christ represented through apostolic succession.</p>
<p>The idea of the <em>regula fide</em> is organic, but was articulated through events and controversy in history. When someone in the church would propose an interpretation of the Bible, his or her interpretation was tested against the Scripture itself <em>and </em>against how Christians have always interpreted Scripture. So, for instance, if someone came to the church and began to teach that Christ was created, not eternal, this doctrine would be tested first according to the Scripture. Then it would be tested according to the <em>regula fide</em> by asking the question, &#8220;What has the church <em>always </em>taught about Christ?&#8221; So, not only does the Bible deny that Christ is a created being, but the church, having its teachings handed down since the time of the Apostles, has always interpreted the Bible as teaching that Christ is eternal as the Father is eternal. We find evidence of this through the early church fathers and the great Creeds of the church.</p>
<p>Again, so far so good. Roman Catholics and Protestants agree. Where we part ways is when we begin to define the authority of this unwritten tradition called the <em>regula fide</em>. The Roman Catholic church believes that this tradition is infallible. Protestants believe that it is only infallible to the degree that it rightly represents the Scriptures. Therefore, the <em>regula fide</em>, while serving as a safeguard for doctrine, needs a safeguard itself.</p>
<p>Both of these ideas, apostolic succession and the <em>regula fide</em>, have the same goal for both Protestants and Roman Catholics: to protect the faith once for all handed to the saints. However, the Roman Catholic church, having all the right intentions, believes that these safeguards <em>must </em>be infallible in order to be effective.</p>
<p><strong>The Rise of Rome</strong></p>
<p>This is where history takes an interesting and definitive turn. It is not unlike our desire to protect our children. There are two extremes. One extreme locks the children up in the house and thows away the key in order to protect them from all harm (like I am tempted to do!).  Nothing wrong with the intentions here. The other extreme lets their children run wild, believing they have to learn the ways of the world in order to learn to protect themselves. Again, intentions good. As the church began to face more and more dangers, as doctrine was continually manipulated, as teachings that did not fall in line with Scripture or the church&#8217;s historic interpretation of Scripture were put forth, the church began to institutionalize itself. In other words, we brought all the children in the house and locked the door. This is what it looked like:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/rise-of-rome.png"><img class="size-full wp-image-8050 aligncenter" title="rise-of-rome" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/rise-of-rome.png" alt="" width="500" height="301" /></a></p>
<p>Now we have a shut door. Behind that shut door is both the Bible and the <em>regula fide</em> (unwritten tradition). Guarding the door is a representative of the now-institutionalized church. This representative is a successor of the Apostles. In the Roman Catholic system, the ultimate guard is the Pope (the successor of Peter). He holds the keys to the door. The Scripture is infallible. The <em>regula fide </em>is infallible. And, now, the representative guard is infallible. The people on the outside must go through him (the institution) in order to access the doctrines of the church.</p>
<p>But notice (and this is important), while the institution of the church was protecting both the Bible and the <em>regula fide</em> (unwritten tradition), the <em>regula fide</em> was also protecting the Bible. So there were two layers of authority standing between the people and the Bible.</p>
<p>While we Protestants would <em>begin </em>to protest here, we still understand why this situation arose. Who of us does not understand <em>and </em>sympathize with the mentality to bring all the kids in the house and lock the door? Yes, it may be wrong. Yes, it may be extreme. Yes, it may lack faith in God. But it makes sense.</p>
<p>Where things <em>really </em>go wrong is when infallibility is invoked upon the guardian. To say that he is right is one thing. To say that he is <em>infallibly </em>right, in order to curtail any rebellion, is another.</p>
<p>Once the church is institutionalized in such a way, understandable or not, corruption of its most fundamental beliefs becomes a serious danger. And this is the turn the church took in the later middle ages. Here is another chart (!):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/regula-fide-develoment.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-8051" title="regula-fide-develoment" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/regula-fide-develoment.png" alt="" width="500" height="159" /></a></p>
<p>The <em>regula fide</em>, because it is unwritten, is easy to abuse. The Scripture is not. And this is what happened in church history. The institution of the church (now quickly on its way to becoming the <em>Roman </em>Catholic church) began to expand on the <em>regula fide</em>, moving it from a summary of the essentials to requirements of non-essentials (notice the chart). Everything from liturgy to doctrine were added. What started as a small confession of Christian doctrine, as represented by the likes of the Nicene Creed (325) and the Statement of Chalcedon (451), became full catechisms, with infallible requirements of doctrines and practices that fell well outside of the <em>regula fide </em>and far outside the bounds of Scripture itself.  Now included in this unwritten tradition were non-essential doctrines concerning the mother of Jesus, celibacy in the priesthood, how one is to break the bread in the Lord&#8217;s supper, and a thousand other things. The unwritten traditions that were meant to preserve the essence of the Christian faith had developed to such a degree that one could not even see the Christian faith. The essence, which was important before, took on a secondary status to the authority of the institution. In the midst of this, the Gospel began to be obscured to such a degree that a major reformation was needed.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>I think that we can all understand and empathize with the rise of Rome. While I seriously disagree with the &#8220;lock the doors, don&#8217;t let the kids out, and mom and dad are infallible&#8221; approach, I know why it happened. In fact, being a chapter in the history of the catholic church, it is a part of <em>my </em>history. However, in the Reformation, the door was unlocked, the <em>regula fide</em> was minimized (not abandoned), and apostolic succession became no longer a guarantee of infallibility, but a responsibility that must continually be submitted to the Scripture.</p>
<p>That is it. The rise of Rome in a nutshell.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/can-catholics-affirm-sola-scriptura/" rel="bookmark" title="July 8, 2007">Can Catholics Affirm Sola Scriptura?</a></li>
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		<title>Why Protestants Are Quick to Reject Catholicism &#8211; And What Can Be Done About It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lately, I have been engaged in a variety of discussions in which both Roman Catholics and Protestants have been involved and I have noticed something very interesting.  Protestants are very quick to reject what Catholics contribute, even on topics that are not related to Catholicism.  In fact, I have observed a projection on the Catholic [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately, I have been engaged in a variety of discussions in which both Roman Catholics and Protestants have been involved and I have noticed something very interesting.  Protestants are very quick to reject what Catholics contribute, even on topics that are not related to Catholicism.  In fact, I have observed a projection on the Catholic regarding their doctrine when their doctrine had nothing to do with the discussion.  It is as if the Protestant is telling the Catholic they have nothing meaningful to contribute simply because of the doctrinal positions that they hold.</p>
<p>It is not lost no me why this happens since at one time, I too would be very quick to dismiss Catholics and Roman Catholicism, wholesale.  The primary reason I believe  is because Protestants have embraced a model of Christianity that leaves no room for practices ascribed by Catholicism.  In fact, I think if you were to ask the average evangelical Protestant about Catholic faith and practice, you might get these kinds of responses</p>
<ul>
<li>they promote a works-based system of merit</li>
<li>they have elevated the Pope to same status of Christ and scripture</li>
<li>they engage in practices that are contradictory to scripture, such as prayer to others rather than God</li>
</ul>
<p>These were my responses at one time that demonstrated an ignorance of Catholic doctrine and its historical development.   Taken at face value, it does seem that Catholic doctrine flies in the face of what we Protestants hold dear with respect to Soteriology and Ecclesiology.  This includes</p>
<ul>
<li>Salvation is through grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ alone.</li>
<li>Jesus Christ is our advocate and prayer is conducted to God through him; we don&#8217;t believe in praying to Mary or to others</li>
<li>Jesus Christ and Scripture is the final authority for faith and practice, not the Pope.</li>
</ul>
<p>However, I have come to realize that what appears to be contradictory practices of Roman Catholicism must be examined in context of the historical development of the Catholic church and how their doctrine is sourced in a rich tradition of early church practice.  It is only through this understanding, that I believe Protestants can be more accepting and understanding of Catholic doctrine and practice.  Absent that understanding, we will always measure the practices of Catholicism against our own and deem them unorthodox at best and heretical, at worst.</p>
<p>It is important to recognize that the first few centuries of the Christian church experienced a universality of doctrine and church practice.  From the doctrinal perspective, there was a unified front on what was deemed authentic Christianity appropriate to the revelation of God and the apostolic witness of Christ.  It is why in the early church writings, the word &#8216;catholic&#8217;, which means universal, was commonly used as a reference to one church.  In protection of the one church, ecumenical councils were formed to combat false or distorted teaching that were attempting to infiltrate and distort the apostolic message.</p>
<p>In the absence of a solidified canon, writings were circulated to provide instruction to the various assemblies that were emerging.    Church practice was an evolution that centered around interpretation of the apostles teaching and the instructive letters.   Overtime, these elements would be transformed into a solidified practice incorporated into doctrine of church and shape liturgical practices that are very much apart of the RCC.</p>
<p>The doctrine of the church is a key element in understanding Catholic theology and why liturgical practices are deemed an important element related to the justification and sanctification of the believer.   Affirmed at the Council of Trent, the church is the conduit through which Christ manifests his presence and authority.  It is not simply the invisible church comprising all believers in Christ, but the visible organization established by Christ and maintained through apostolic succession based on Jesus&#8217; words to Peter in <a class="bibleref" title="Matthew 16:18" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Matthew%2016.18/">Matthew 16:18</a>.  The revelation of God, unveiled in Christ is not simply inscribed in writings of the apostolic witness (scripture) but is carried on through tradition established by the church.  This is otherwise known as Sacred Tradition, which is just as valid as scripture, according to Catholic theology and it is the church who serves as the authoritative interpreter of both.  It is not as though the overseers of the church would arbitrarily decide to incorporate elements into the church to bolster man-made practices, but to uphold an historic tradition that is reflected in the inception of church practices transmitted by the apostles themselves.</p>
<p>Francis Beckwith, former president of the Evangelical Theological Society, had this to say in an interview with Christianity Today regarding his conversion to Roman Catholicism</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Looking at tradition would also help evangelicals learn about Christian liturgical traditions, like Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism, that many evangelicals reject because they say liturgy is unbiblical.  When did these practices come to be?  It turns out many of them came to be very early on in church history when people were close historically to the apostles themselves.  There must be something to these practices that the early Christians thought were perfectly consistent with what they had received from the apostles.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He further goes on to say that it was through his study of the church fathers and the development of liturgical traditions that liberated him with respect to his views on church tradition.  To be honest, the Catholic doctrine of the church has garnered a greater appreciation for me of not only church tradition but the significance of the visible church.  I think we protestants have been historically too dismissive of tradition and tend to undermine the authority and presence of the ecclesiastical body.  Upholding scriptural authority has somehow created a laissez-faire attitude with respect to the unity of body that Christ sought (<a class="bibleref" title="John 17:20-21" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%2017.20-21/">John 17:20-21</a>)  and that the RCC seeks with respect to doctrine and church practice.  When Luther nailed his 95 Theses on the Wittenberg door, he had no intention of dismantling the church but reforming practices that had been corrupted.   While I do not agree with the authoritative status of the Pope as the succession of the apostolic witness, I do think there is something to be said for the preservation of historic Christianity and ecclesiastical unity that the papal office seeks to uphold.</p>
<p>With respect to the model of justification and sanctification, it might appear to be a meritorious works-based system, which sorely contradicts the Protestant understanding of justification by faith.  However, the liturgical elements are not a set of rituals contrived to produce mechanics of symbolism, but are an active way in which members of Christ&#8217;s body participate in the union with Christ.  Grace is dispensed through participation in the sacraments thus fostering this union.  When the Catholic receives the eucharist, it is believed to be the actual presence of Christ.  Therefore, I think it is unfair and not very accurate to label the RCC a system of works-based merit but one in which the model of participation in the union of Christ looks different than that of Protestants.</p>
<p>With the advent of the Vatican II Council, there has been a greater focus on scriptural authority in the RCC.  I have witnessed that first hand in some recent viewings of Catholic masses on EWTN.  I actually was impressed with the amount of scripture being read and taught and found little that I disagreed with in the messages.  Yet, I wonder how many Protestants would even receive messages delivered by a Catholic priest, let alone watch a Catholic channel.   I can&#8217;t help but believe that would only perpetuate ignorance and disharmony.</p>
<p>It too amazes me the backlash that I have heard from ex-Catholics who have converted to Protestantism who have joined the chorus of nay-sayers against the RCC vocalizing the same opposition as listed above.  I wonder too if it was because of a failure to fully understand Catholic theology and doctrine that they at one time were actively engaged in.   I do  recognize that just because one actively participates in Roman  Catholicism does not necessarily mean they are believers in Christ and it could be that the ex-Catholics who rail against Catholicism do so because they saw it as a detriment to the salvation they now have.  However, there&#8217;s no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water.  Perhaps a greater consensus could be gained by ex-Catholics through an revisitation of the catechism that has now been wholesale rejected.</p>
<p>Because Catholicism does yield some very faithful and devoted believers in Christ.  I have encountered some wonderful Catholics whose belief in and love for Christ matches, if not surpasses, Protestants that I know.  And it is because of belief in Christ, not the practice of Catholicism, that allows for the unity that I believe some Protestants reject simply because the brother or sister in Christ is Catholic.</p>
<p>So I propose to my Protestant brothers and sisters, that rather than rejecting Catholics and Catholicism outright, that we take the time to understand where they are coming from.  That does not mean we will necessarily agree with all the doctrine.  I certainly don&#8217;t.  But being quick to reject them or their contributions I believe does a disservice to the body of Christ and undermines the unity that we should seek to foster.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Future-of-Evangelicals-in-Academia?offset=0&amp;max=1">Here</a> is an interesting interview with Mark Noll that I think fosters greater dialogue and cooperation between Protestants and Catholics<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>The Reformation in a Nutshell</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There used to be a time when your loyalty to the Protestant cause was judged by how much you hated Catholics. But today, with all the ecumenical dialogue, the Manhattan statements, the ECT council, and the postmodern virtue of tolerance, people are much more willing to let water under the bridge. &#8220;Maybe we overreacted&#8221; is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There used to be a time when your loyalty to the Protestant cause was judged by how much you hated Catholics. But today, with all the ecumenical dialogue, the Manhattan statements, the ECT council, and the postmodern virtue of tolerance, people are much more willing to let water under the bridge. &#8220;Maybe we overreacted&#8221; is the thought of many. </p>
<p>To the Catholics, Protestants are no longer anathema (which is pretty bad), but are &#8220;separated brethren&#8221; (which is not so bad).</p>
<p>Attitudes are changing, we could argue, for the better. But have the <em>issues</em> changed?</p>
<p>Four hundred years ago we had a &#8220;situation&#8221; in the church. We call it the &#8220;Great Reformation.&#8221; Catholics understand it as yet another rebellious schism. The first <em>major</em> division in the Christian church happened in 1054 when the Eastern church got fed up with the Pope and thumbed its nose at him (or something like that). The Great Reformation was the second. For Protestants, this was not only a reforming of the church, but a reclaiming of the Gospel which had been obscured and overshadowed by the institutionalized church of the day.</p>
<p>While there were and are a lot of issues that divide Roman Catholics and Protestant, there are two which overshadow the rest: authority and justification. The issue of authority has been called the &#8220;formal&#8221; cause of the Reformation while the issue of justification was the &#8220;material&#8221; cause. In this brief post I would like to focus on these two issues.</p>
<p><strong>1. Authority: Where do we go for truth?</strong></p>
<p>To the institutionalized church of the day (<em>now</em> known as the <em>Roman</em> Catholic Church), both Scripture and Tradition (notice the capital &#8220;T&#8221;) represented the one &#8221;deposit of faith&#8221; that was handed down from the Apostles (i.e. written and unwritten tradition). The church, as represented by the Pope and the congregation of bishops, could interpret both infallibly being protected by the Holy Spirit. Think of a three legged stool. All three (Scripture, Tradition, and the Church) serve as the stool of ultimate authority for the church.<span id="more-3509"></span></p>
<p>To the Protestants, this represented an abuse of authority. While the institutionalized church had authority, it did not have ultimate authority. While tradition (notice the lower case &#8220;t&#8221;) was very important and to be respected, it did not share equal authority with Scripture, but served Scripture. Everything, including unwritten tradition, the councils, and the Pope had to be tested by and submit to Scripture. Protestants repositioned both the church and tradition underneath the Scripture.</p>
<p>The battle cry of the Reformers here was <em>sola Scriptura</em>: the Scriptures alone were our final and only infallible source from God.</p>
<p><strong>2. Justification: How is a person made right with God?</strong></p>
<p>Here the issue was not necessarily the <em>nature</em> of justification, but the <em>instrumental</em> <em>cause</em> (from a human standpoint) of justification. The institutionalized church believed that justification was a <em>process</em> brought about in the individual&#8217;s <em>cooperation</em> with God through their faith <em>and</em> works. People were not justified, but were <em>being</em> justified, and they could never really know of their own eternal security. For most, the best that they could hope for was that they died and spent a certain amount of time (usually very extended) in a place called &#8220;Purgatory&#8221; having their venial sins (sins that are not so bad) purged through a painful process of cleansing. Then, once released from Purgatory, they would move on to heaven. As modern Roman Catholics would put it, &#8220;Purgatory is the time to wash before dinner.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Protestants believed that this was a serious distortion of the Gospel message likened to the Galatian error. This distortion, argued the Protestants, arose in the late middle ages with the rise of the sacramental system (you know, the necessity of Mass, confession, baptism, etc.). Protestants believed that justification was through the faith of the individual <em>alone</em> and that works did not contribute in any way. Otherwise, it was believed, grace is not really grace. Justification, to the Reformers, was an event, not a process. It was a &#8220;forensic&#8221; or a legal act in which the believing sinner was <em>declared</em> righteous having Christ&#8217;s righteousness imputed to their account. There was nothing that man could do to add to or take away from their justification. Any attempts to work for your justification (including time spent in Purgatory) was a diminishing of the value of the cross which, in essence was saying, Christ&#8217;s  work was not enough. As well, Protestants, unlike Catholics, believed that we could have assurance of our ultimate salvation.</p>
<p>The battle cry of the Reformation was <em>sola fide</em>: justification is by faith alone, not by any works man can do.</p>
<p>There were other issues that caused great strife during the Reformation, but they all paled in comparison to these two. While the tension and the heat that immediately accompany a fight have cooled, recent events have not changed with these two issues. Most Protestants and Catholics still believe that these are hills upon which we should die, even if neither side conclusively believes the other is going to hell.</p>
<p>We must keep in mind, however, how much the two sides do agree. When it comes to the person and work of Christ conservative Protestants and Roman Catholics (along with Eastern Orthodox) all believe that Jesus Christ is the God-man (fully God and fully man) who died on the cross and rose bodily from the grave as an atonement for sin. All believe that salvation is purely by the grace of God and that the faith of the individual is necessary. And, significantly, all believe that Christ is the <em>only</em> way to God.</p>
<p>Was the Reformation necessary? I believe so. The communication and purity of the Gospel was at stake. Amidst all the conciliations going on today, we need to keep this in mind: things have not changed <em>that</em> much. We can love each other and appreciate the common heritage we share. We can even learn much from one another. But there is still a serious divide and Protestants should dare not compromise the Gospel by sweeping the Reformation under the rug. The Gospel is too important.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Essentials and Non-Essentials: How to Choose Your Battles Carefully</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We talk a lot about this: essentials and non-essentials. In fact, at the Credo House of Theology (our headquarters), right when you walk in the front door you will see written on the wall in Latin the words in necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas. Translated into English, this means, &#8220;In essentials, unity; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">We talk a lot about this: essentials and non-essentials. In fact, at the <a href="http://www.credohouse.org">Credo House of Theology</a> (our headquarters), right when you walk in the front door you will see written on the wall in Latin the words <em>in necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas.</em> Translated into English, this means, &#8220;In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.&#8221; This phrase (often wrongly attributed to Augustine) comes from an otherwise obscure German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century named Rupertus Meldenius. It has served as a place holder for a sort of Evangelical Credo (statement of faith). It expresses the idea of orthodoxy and grace. It reminds us that there are essential Christian beliefs <em>and</em> there are non-essentials.</p>
<p>I remember hearing a pastor once say concerning doctrine, &#8220;You are either one-hundred percent right or one-hundred percent wrong. There is no in-between and there are no gray areas. God is not confused or unsure. Why should we be?&#8221; While this might be true concerning God, for us things are different. For now, we see in a mirror dimly (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor. 13:12" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor.%2013.12/">1 Cor. 13:12</a>).</p>
<p>As well, Paul spoke about those things that are &#8220;of <em>first</em>  importance [<em>protois</em>]&#8221; (emphasis mine). Christ spoke about straining out a gnat while swallowing a camel (Matt. 23:24) and the &#8220;weightier things of the law&#8221; (Matt. 23:23).</p>
<p>This is one of the things that (should) distinguish us as Evangelicals. We are those who unite around those things that we believe are the weightiest, the things that are the <em>most</em> important, the essentials, while we (should) give liberty in the non-essentials. I often tell people that there are some things that I believe that I would die for; there are some things that I believe that I would lose an arm for; there are some things that I believe that I would lose a finger for; and then there are some things that I believe that I would not even get a manicure for.</p>
<p>Like in all areas of life, we need to learn to choose our battles carefully. But in order to do this, we must first come to know the difference between essentials and non-essentials.</p>
<p>But (as the criticism goes) it is not that easy to distinguish between essentials and non-essentials. <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/what-are-the-essentials-to-christianity-four-criteria/">I have written on this before</a>. More importantly for now, many Evangelicals have simply never been exposed to this and therefore practice their theology in a much more legalistic way, believing every conviction that they have to be representative of a hill upon which they should die.</p>
<p>Here I want to elaborate upon and expand the discussion a little bit. While we need to distinguish between essentials and non-essentials, we also need to recognize that there are different <em>types</em> of essentials. Along with this goes my belief that there are different ways to &#8220;break fellowship&#8221; based on our beliefs. In other words, not all essentials are equal. Some are essential to the very foundation of Christianity, but some are only essential to a particular denomination or expression. This will require different <em>types</em> of breaks in fellowship.</p>
<p>Let me start with a chart, then I will briefly break it down:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/essentials-non-essentials-l.gif">click on chart to enlarge</a></p>
<p><strong>Essential for salvation</strong>: These are the most essential doctrines of all essentials. This includes what every Christian should always be willing to die for. In essence, if someone does not believe the doctrines that are &#8220;essential for salvation,&#8221; they are not saved.<span id="more-3500"></span></p>
<p>What I include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Belief in God (there is no such thing as an atheistic Christian)<br />
All issues pertaining to the person and work of Christ:</li>
<li>Belief in Christ&#8217;s deity and humanity (<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 4:2-3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%204.2-3/">1 John 4:2-3</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Rom. 10:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Rom.%2010.9/">Rom. 10:9</a>)</li>
<li>Belief that you are a sinner in need of God&#8217;s mercy (<a class="bibleref" title="1 John 1:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20John%201.10/">1 John 1:10</a>)</li>
<li>Belief that Christ died on the cross and rose bodily from the grave (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor 15:3-4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor%2015.3-4/">1 Cor 15:3-4</a>)</li>
<li>Belief that faith in Christ is necessary (<a class="bibleref" title="John 3:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%203.16/">John 3:16</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>As with all of them, I am sure that there are some ancillary matters that could be included, but this gives you the key doctrines.</p>
<p><strong>Essential for historic Christian orthodoxy</strong>: These include beliefs &#8220;essential for salvation&#8221; but are broader in that they express what has been believed by the <em>historic</em> Christian church for the last two thousand years, no matter what tradition. This is expressed by the Vincentian Canon, &#8220;that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all.&#8221; (The exception of fringe movements does not count). Not only must the church have belief in it, but it must also explicitly have confessed its centrality (e.g., belief that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew does not, I believe, qualify here).</p>
<p><em>Some</em> of what I include:</p>
<ul>
<li>The doctrine of the Trinity as expressed at Nicea</li>
<li>The doctrine of the Hypostatic Union (Christ is fully man and fully God) as expressed at Chalcedon</li>
<li>The belief in the <em>future</em> second coming of Christ</li>
<li>A belief in the inspiration and authority of Scripture</li>
<li>A belief in eternal punishment for the wicked</li>
<li>A belief in God&#8217;s timeless existence</li>
<li>Christ is the only way to salvation</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Essential for traditional orthodoxy:</strong> Again, these will necessarily include all of those from the two previous categories, but add some distinctives of their own. Essentials here will include all of those that are foundational to one of the three main Christian traditions: Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Roman Catholicism. These are beliefs that distinguish one tradition from the next, but are not absolutely essential from the broader Christian worldview expressed above.</p>
<p>Some Protestant distinctives would include:</p>
<ul>
<li>General belief in the major pronouncements of the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787 AD)</li>
<li>Belief in the necessity for a <em>personal</em> relationship with Jesus Christ </li>
<li>Belief that justification is through faith alone on the basis of Christ alone</li>
<li>Belief that Scripture alone has ultimate authority on all matters of faith and practice</li>
<li>The canon of Scripture made up of 66 books (excluding the Deuterocanonical books)</li>
</ul>
<p>Some Roman Catholic distinctives that would include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Belief in transubstantiation (the bread and wine turn into the actual body and blood of Christ)</li>
<li>Belief that justification is through faith and works</li>
<li>Belief that both Scripture and unwritten tradition have ultimate authority as they are interpreted by the Magisterium</li>
<li>Belief in the authority of twenty-one ecumenical councils</li>
<li>Belief that the Pope is the infallible vicar of Christ</li>
<li>Belief in the Marian dogmas</li>
<li>Belief that the canon includes the Deuterocanonical books</li>
</ul>
<p>Some Eastern Orthodox distinctives that would include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Belief in the infallibility of the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787 AD)</li>
<li>Belief that the liturgy of the Church is part of the Gospel</li>
<li>Rejection of substitutionary atonement and the imputation of Adam&#8217;s sin </li>
<li>Salvation by grace through faith as God works these out through our unification with Him (Theosis) </li>
<li>Traditional inclusion of the Deuterocanonical book (although there is some debate about this)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Essential for denominational orthodoxy:</strong> This will be similar to the above, but one step down in importance, dealing as it does with the particular and peculiar denominational expressions by the various Protestant traditions.</p>
<p><em>Some</em> examples:</p>
<ul>
<li>Credo-baptism, i.e., Baptism is only for believers (Baptists)</li>
<li>Infant baptism (Presbyterians, Methodists, Anglicans)</li>
<li>Unconditional election (Reformed and Presbyterians)</li>
<li>Arminian theology (Methodists, Nazarenes)</li>
<li>Belief in the continuation of the Charismatic gifts (Pentecostals, Church of God)</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Important but not essential:</strong> These are those beliefs that do not describe any particular tradition necessarily. They are important, but not <em>that</em> important.</p>
<p><em>Some</em> examples:</p>
<ul>
<li>Beliefs about particulars in the creation debate</li>
<li>Belief whether the books of Jonah and Job are historical accounts</li>
<li>Beliefs about the inerrancy of Scripture</li>
<li>Beliefs about the authorship of 2 Peter</li>
<li>Belief about particular end-time schemes (i.e. premillennial, amillennial, post-millennial)</li>
<li>The order of books in the canon</li>
<li>Which translation of the Bible to use from the pulpit</li>
<li>Which Gospel was written first</li>
<li>How often one should celebrate the Lord&#8217;s supper</li>
<li>Whether or not Christ taught in Greek or Aramaic</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Not Important:</strong> These are beliefs that people have concerning Christian doctrine that are not important for any expression and do not affect Christian devotion or spirituality.</p>
<p><em>Some</em> examples</p>
<ul>
<li>The date of Christ&#8217;s birth (Christmas)</li>
<li>What kind of music to play at church</li>
<li>Whether to use real wine or grape juice at communion</li>
<li>Whether to hold Saturday night services</li>
<li>Whether or not John the Baptist was an Essene</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Pure speculation:</strong> That is just what these are&#8212;speculation. We just don&#8217;t know one way or another, nor does it matter.</p>
<p><em>Some</em> examples</p>
<ul>
<li>Did Adam have a belly-button</li>
<li>Belief in the eternal destiny of pets (except I <em>know</em> my dog Rocky is going to heaven)</li>
<li>What was God doing &#8220;before&#8221; creation</li>
<li>Will there be meat to eat in heaven (we can all hope)</li>
<li>Will there be sex in heaven (we can all hope <em>more</em>)</li>
</ul>
<p>In conclusion to this rather long post, my purpose has been to stimulate a deeper level of thought about the difference between essentials and non-essentials. I know that there are a lot of unanswered questions that might have been stimulated, such as, <em>&#8220;Can someone be saved without believing in the exclusivity of Christ or the doctrine of the Trinity, as expressed at Nicea?&#8221;</em> Or, <em>&#8220;What about homosexuality and the ordaining of women?&#8221;</em> I will leave some of these for the discussion to follow. I hope that, <em>at the very least</em>, some of my Calvinist and Baptist friends will see that some of the things that are held most dear in their traditions, <em>while important</em>, are not really defining factors in historic Christianity.</p>
<p>I am not an ecumenicist, but I don&#8217;t think that we should have ill-will or break fellowship with people unnecessarily. I hope that thinking through these things will make both our unity and diversity more meaningful and less reactionary.</p>
<p>What say you?</p>
<p>(If this has peaked your interest, I would encourage you to read my post on <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/what-are-the-essentials-to-christianity-four-criteria/">four tests for determining whether a doctrine is essential</a>.)<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/06/essentials-and-non-essentials-in-a-nutshell/" rel="bookmark" title="June 8, 2011">Essentials and Non-Essentials in a Nutshell</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/07/more-on-evangelical-apostolic-succession/" rel="bookmark" title="July 24, 2009">More on Evangelical Apostolic Succession</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/03/a-matter-of-perspective/" rel="bookmark" title="March 25, 2011">A Matter of Perspective</a></li>
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		<title>Dear Pope, What is Up with Genesis?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In honor of Reformation Day, I am once again submitting my Papal complaint. The primary reason that Catholics believe God provided the Roman Catholic Church as an infallible authority is for unity. Christ prayed in the upper room that His people would be one (John 17:21-22). This unification Christ prayed for would most certainly involve some degree of doctrinal solidarity. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In honor of Reformation Day, I am once again submitting my Papal complaint.</p>
<p>The primary reason that Catholics believe God provided the Roman Catholic Church as an infallible authority is for unity. Christ prayed in the upper room that His people would be one (<a class="bibleref" title="John 17:21-22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%2017.21-22/">John 17:21-22</a>). This unification Christ prayed for would most certainly involve some degree of doctrinal solidarity. For the Catholic, the Magisterial authority made up of the Pope and the congregation of bishops along with the Pope serve to keep the peace and unity. In each contemporary situation, if there are issues of doctrine or morals that are causing division, the Magisterium is able to step in and make clear and binding statements of truth concerning the particular issue. Whether it is the issue of birth control or the reality of Hell, the Magisterium will draw from tradition and Scripture and infallibly reveal the truth. Tradition, Scripture, and the Magisterium; these are the three legs of the Catholic stool that give stability.</p>
<p>From the standpoint of the Catholic, the Magisterium holds the sole right to interpret the &#8220;deposit of faith.&#8221; This deposit is made up of Scripture and Tradition. Both are given by Christ to the Apostles. The Apostles in turn handed this deposit and authority to others forming an unbroken chain of &#8220;apostolic secession.&#8221; The Pope resides as the <em>supreme</em> authority as his secession is traced back to Peter, to whom were given the keys to the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 16:19).</p>
<p>Since the Magisterium, headed by the Pope, has been handed this deposit of faith and authority, they alone can interpret Scripture with fidelity. In other words, if there is an issue about the interpretation of Scripture, private interpretation is not an option. While Catholics can read Scripture, they are not allowed to interpret it independently.</p>
<p>Contemporary issues that cause division within the church are many. People are divided over inerrancy, the gift of tongues, Open Theism, women in ministry, gay marriage, and many others. While these are significant and divisive, without question the issue that has caused more division in the church over the last century, Catholic or Protestant, is the issue of evolution. The last two blogs on it I posted have gone over 300 and 1000 comments.</p>
<p>While this is a scientific issue, it is also interpretive. How do we understand the early chapters of Genesis? Did God create the earth in six literal days or did He use an evolutionary process taking billions of years? How are we to interpret the word “day” in <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201/">Genesis 1</a>? Are there gaps in the genealogies? Did the snake really talk? Were Adam and Eve real people or symbolic representations of mankind in general? Those who take a more conservative approach, such as John MacArthur, say that the stakes cannot be higher. Some will say that if you allow for evolution, you have denied the inspiration of Scripture. Others will go so far as to say that if you don’t believe in a young earth, you have denied the reality of sin. The other side battles to protect their scientific integrity by offering alternative interpretations to the creation narrative. Whether it be the day-age theory, gaps in genealogies, or some sort of accommodating language hermeneutic, from their standpoint there are ways for them to interpret Genesis in a way that harmonizes with current scientific trends.</p>
<p>Either way, this issue is as divisive as any issue in the history of the church. The lines have been drawn. The questions is, can Rome come in and fulfill its primary purpose? Can the Magisterium draw from the deposit of faith and interpret the Scripture so that this matter is settled, bringing unity to this religious anarchy among those who claim Christ?</p>
<p>In 1996 Pope John Paul II did step in. This is what he had to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [<em>Humani Generis</em>], new knowledge has led to the recognition in <em>the theory of evolution of more than a hypothesis</em>. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory&#8221; (Message to the Pontifical Academy of the Sciences [Oct. 22, 1996] 4. (emphasis mine)</p>
<p>&#8220;More than a hypothesis?” Is that it? Is that supposed to bring unity to the Church? With all the authority of his seat, with keys in hand, and shod with the authoritative hermeneutic of peace, the Pope clears the air by saying that evolution is “more than a hypothesis.” I want my money back!<span id="more-3262"></span></p>
<p>OK, enough tongue in cheek. Do you see the basic problem here? The Roman Catholic Church is not doing is job. Why? Why can&#8217;t the Pope clear the interpretive air and let us know, infallabily and and finally, how we are to read this text and how to shape our theology? Why can&#8217;t the Roman Catholic Church bring unity here?</p>
<p>Here are the options as I see it:</p>
<p><strong>1. The Pope does not know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis.</strong> He does not know what “day” means. He does not know if there are gaps in the genealogy. He does not know if the narrative is literal or figurative. He does not know if the snake talked.</p>
<p>But if this is the case doesn’t his authority to interpret the Scripture become irrelevant since he and the rest of the Magisterium don’t know the answer to the <em>most divisive theological issue</em> of the last century?</p>
<p><strong>2. The Pope does know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis, he just does not think it is important enough to dogmatically speak upon.</strong></p>
<p>But if this is the case, what is important enough to speak upon? The assumption of Mary? The immaculate conception of Mary? Eating meat on Friday? Those things need Papal intervention, but this issue doesn&#8217;t?</p>
<p><strong>3. The Pope is on a need to know basis only, and this is something He does not need to know.</strong></p>
<p>But I don’t think the Pope is allowed to watch <em>Top Gun</em>. This actually cannot work since it is not new revelation that the Pope and the Magisterium receives, but protection in his dogmatic pronouncements. Whether through ordinary means (ecumenical councils) or extraordinary means (Papal bulls), the issue can be dealt with or the organization is sterile when it comes to bringing about doctrinal unity when it is most important. </p>
<p><strong>4. The Pope does not know; he only knows issues that are <em>essential</em> to the Christian faith. How one interprets the Genesis narrative is not essential.</strong></p>
<p>But isn’t unity the issue? Isn’t unity essential? This issue is causing disunity in doctrine. If the Pope cannot solve this, what good is the claim that the Magisterium steps in and answers contemporary theological issues to bring about unity? As well, is the assumption of Mary really essential. Sure, if you are Catholic post-facto it is, but is the controversy over Mary&#8217;s assumption really more divisive than the origins debate?</p>
<p><strong>5. The Pope does not know; this is an issue of science, not faith.</strong></p>
<p>This is simply not true. While I would agree that this is a non-essential issue that should not cause division to the degree that it is, the point is that it <em>is</em> causing massive division. The issue <em>can</em> be solved among Christians if we knew how to <em>interpret</em> the Scriptures. The Pope would simply need to tell us if the word “day” in <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201/">Genesis 1</a> is figurative or literal. If he did, it would solve a lot of problems. Further, if he would tell us if Adam and Eve are literal figures or figurative, we would solve even more. In short, there are many <em>interpretive</em> decisions that people are making and these decisions are causing division.</p>
<p><strong>6. The Pope does not know; the emperor has no clothes.</strong></p>
<p>This supposed deposit of faith and authority do not apply to the really hard issues that can be tested since this could expose the Pope as fallible. Rome does not want another Galileo incident where the Catholic Church gets a black-eye and then has to bend backward to cover it up. Understandable.</p>
<p>To sum up my argument this Reformation day: I don&#8217;t believe in the infallibility of the Pope. Theologically speaking there is no historic or Biblical warrant for such a belief. Pragmatically speaking, it would be great. However, practically speaking, as we can see with regard to Genesis, the claim for Papal infallibility is sterile.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/12/the-reformation-in-a-nutshell/" rel="bookmark" title="December 9, 2009">The Reformation in a Nutshell</a></li>
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		<title>Quick Thought On Transubstantiation</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Transubstantiation is the belief held by Roman Catholics that the bread and wine at the Eucharist transform miraculously into the body and blood of Christ. While the accidents (the taste, smell, and all non-essential qualities) do not change, the substance of the bread and wine do change into the actual body and blood of Christ. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transubstantiation is the belief held by Roman Catholics that the bread and wine at the Eucharist transform miraculously into the body and blood of Christ. While the <em>accidents </em>(the taste, smell, and all non-essential qualities) do not change, the substance of the bread and wine do change into <em>the actual</em> body and blood of Christ. Others also hold to some form of the &#8220;Real Presence&#8221; including the Orthodox, Lutherans, and Anglicans. The Orthodox believe, like the Catholics, that the bread and the wine actually and substantially become the body and blood of Christ. They just don&#8217;t fill in the &#8220;how&#8221; details as much as Catholics, leaving it more a mystery. So technically, they don&#8217;t call it Transubstantiation. Lutherans, believe that the presence of Christ is really &#8220;in, with, and under&#8221; the bread and the wine, but the substance is not transformed. This is called &#8220;consubstantiation.&#8221; <em>Some </em>Anglicans believe in the Real presence and even allow for a form of Transubstantiation.</p>
<p>My question (or thought) here is quick and relatively painless to understand. It is a question that is not loaded in any way as my problem will be explicitly expressed by the question. Also, my question has only to do with those who hold to a Real Presence in body and blood (i.e. not a spiritual Real Presence).</p>
<p>Most who believe in some form of Transubstanitation will defend this view by taking a very literal interpretation of Christ&#8217;s words during the Lord&#8217;s Supper:</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Matthew 26:26-28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Matthew%2026.26-28/">Matthew 26:26-28</a>  &#8220;While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, &#8220;Take, eat; this is My body.&#8221; And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, &#8220;Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.&#8221;<span id="more-2338"></span></p>
<p>&#8220;This is my body.&#8221; These are the word that Luther etched onto the table in his famous meeting with Zwingli.</p>
<p>Indeed, it was these words that were used by the Council of Trent as a primary justification for a belief in Transubstantiation: &#8220;Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation&#8221; (Council of Trent [1551]: DS 1642; cf. Mt 26:26 ff.; <a class="bibleref" title="Mk 14:22" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Mk%2014.22/">Mk 14:22</a> ff.; <a class="bibleref" title="Lk 22:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lk%2022.19/">Lk 22:19</a> ff.; <a class="bibleref" title="1 Cor 11:24" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Cor%2011.24/">1 Cor 11:24</a> ff. <em>Catechism of the Catholic Church</em> 1376).</p>
<p>The brief questions that I have for those who believe that Christ&#8217;s words must be taken literally are these (all related):</p>
<li>Do you take Christ&#8217;s words literally when he said &#8220;This is my body&#8221; (<em>toute estin to soma mou</em>)?</li>
<li>If so, since the verb &#8220;is&#8221; (<em>estin</em>) is in the present tense, do you believe that it was his body at the time of the original Lord&#8217;s supper?</li>
<li>If not, why are you at liberty to take it non-literally here, but insist that it is literal otherwise? In other words, how could not be literal here, but be literal after Christ&#8217;s death?</li>
<li>If so, don&#8217;t you think this is a violation of Chalcedon?</li>
<p>As I said, this is not loaded. I am most certain that thoughtful people have worked through this, I have just never heard an answer that seems to make any sense.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/02/why-did-he-let-them-walk-away-john-6-and-transubstantiation/" rel="bookmark" title="February 24, 2007">Why did He let them walk away: John 6 and transubstantiation</a></li>
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		<title>In Defense of Sola Scriptura &#8211; Part 10 &#8211; A Historical Defense</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/in-defense-of-sola-scriptura-part-10-a-historical-defense/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the final installment of my Sola Scriptura series. The previous posts (post crash) can be found here. Or you can download entire series in rough PDF. UPDATE: I have already deleted about 10 comments today. Please don&#8217;t just spam with quotes from the church fathers. Had the poster who did read the entire [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This is the final installment of my </em><em>Sola Scriptura series.<br />
The previous posts (post crash) can be found <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/category/sola-scriptura/">here</a>. Or you can <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/content/Parchmentandpen/In-Defense-of-Sola-Scriptura.pdf">download entire series in rough PDF</a>.</em></p>
<p>UPDATE: I have already deleted about 10 comments today. Please don&#8217;t just spam with quotes from the church fathers. Had the poster who did read the entire series, he would have seen that the quotes used don&#8217;t argue against <em>sola Scriptura</em>, properly defined. So please, if you are going to engage, read the rest of the series. I don&#8217;t have the time to recreate all the previous posts so that others can get up to speed enough to engage here! Thanks for your attention to the <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/blog-rules/">blog rules</a> as well.</p>
<p>I have attempted to present a balanced look at the Protestant doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em>. This is a doctrine that I hold to very strongly and believe is a <em>sine qua non</em> of Protestantism. What I mean by this is that this doctrine forms an essential bedrock of Reformation orthodoxy.</p>
<p>In the previous posts I have step by step attempted to defend this doctrine against competing models of authority held by both Catholics and (sometimes) Eastern Orthodox. But one of the most substantial claims that those who deny <em>sola Scriptura</em> make is that it does not find representation in the history of the church. In fact, Roman Catholics would argue that church history holds to a dual-source theory where unwritten tradition and Scripture are equal and the Magisterial authority of the Catholic church infallibly interprets both.</p>
<p>I agree that it would be a substantial argument if in the history of the church we cannot find the principles of <em>sola Scriptura</em> being held, but this is simply not the case. I offer two arguments here:</p>
<p><strong>1. To require that one produce an articulated view of <em>sola Scriptura</em> in history is anachronistic.</strong> An <a href="http://wordoftheday.reclaimingthemind.org/blogs/2009/04/29/anachronism/">anachronism</a> is where one enforces a contemporary articulation of an idea or use of a word on an ancient audience. This is not unlike what many Christian cults do with the doctrine of the Trinity. They ask orthodox Christians to produce historical verification for the Trinity prior to 325 A.D. (the date of the Council of Nicea, when the Trinity was articulated in its near current form). They are not looking for seeds of the principle beliefs, but an actual articulation. Expecting to find the doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em> commits the same type fallacy. Both suffer from the same presumption that if something is true, we will find it in its current articulated form from the beginning. This assumption is unjustified and finds no parallel in any other discipline.</p>
<p>The doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em> as defined in this series was explained and articulated as such precisely because of the controversies of the 16th century. Search all you will and you will not find the phase &#8220;<em>sola Scriptura</em>&#8221; before the Reformation just as you won&#8217;t find the word &#8220;Trinity&#8221; commonly used before Nicea. But, in both cases, I do believe you will find the doctrine in seed form. In other words, the doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em> was undeveloped before the Reformation, but it was present in its undeveloped form.<span id="more-2234"></span></p>
<p>As I have argued many times, there is a development that doctrine goes through, and controversy is the adrenaline to its development. If there is no controversy, it will remain an assumed part of tradition. It&#8217;s assumption does not mean it is right or wrong, it just means that the church had yet to deal with it substantially and holistically. (See my &#8220;<a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/06/an-emerging-understanding-of-orthodox-2/">An Emerging Understanding of Orthodox</a>&#8221; for a more thorough breakdown of doctrinal development theory.)</p>
<p><strong>2. <em>Sola Scriptura did </em>exist in seed form.</strong> I am going to post some quotes from the early church fathers. Those who are opposed to what I am arguing will say that I have taken these out of context, but the truth is that we all see what we are conditioned to see. If you are dead set on rejecting <em>sola Scriptura</em> and highly respect the witness of history, you will simply form a theological context around these statement so that they say what your theology says they must say. But I have been a student of church history for long enough to say that the more I read the early church fathers, the more I am convinced that they held to an unarticulated form of <em>sola Scriptura</em>. In other words, for most of church history, the Scriptures have been the final and only infallible source for truth.</p>
<p><strong>Irenaeus (ca. 150)<br />
<em>Against Heresies</em> 3.1.1 </strong><br />
“We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.”</p>
<p>Notice how Irenaeus equates the traditions with the Scriptures. They proclaimed the truth at first (unwritten tradition), and &#8220;at a later period&#8221; handed it down &#8220;in the Scriptures&#8221; which is now the &#8220;ground and pillar of our faith.&#8221; Sounds very Protestant.</p>
<p><strong>Clement of Alexandria (d. 215)<br />
<em>The Stromata</em>, 7:16 </strong><br />
“But those who are ready to toil in the most excellent pursuits, will not desist from the search after truth, till they get the demonstration from the Scriptures themselves.”</p>
<p>Notice the final court of appeal is the Scriptures, not the church. The &#8220;those&#8221; who are encouraged to toil in the most excellent pursuits do not refer to the church ecclesiastical authority, but to all people. All people are encouraged here to search for truth and find it <em>finally </em>in the Scriptures.</p>
<p><strong>Gregory of Nyssa (d. ca. 395)<br />
<em>On the Holy Trinity</em> NPNF, p. 327</strong><br />
“Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.”</p>
<p>Again, the final court of arbitration is the Scriptures, not the church. Respect is always given to the ecclesiastical authority and tradition by the early church, but Scriptures hold a unique place of authority.</p>
<p><strong>Athanasius (c. 296–373)<br />
<em>Against the Heathen</em>, 1:3<em> </em></strong><br />
“The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth.”</p>
<p>This speaks to the vital doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture that we dealt with earlier. The Scriptures being &#8220;<em>fully </em>sufficient,&#8221; is simply a seed form of <em>sola Scriptura</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Basil the Great (ca. 329–379)<br />
On the Holy Spirit, 7.16 </strong><br />
“We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers.  What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of the Scripture.”</p>
<p>This sounds a lot like Martin Luther at Worms. While we respect the tradition of the Fathers, they don&#8217;t bring contentment unless they followed the Scriptures.</p>
<p><strong>Ambrose (A.D. 340–397)<br />
<em>On the Duties of the Clergy</em>, 1:23:102</strong><br />
“For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?”</p>
<p>This is even stronger than I would go. Ambrose sounds a little fundamentalistic. In fairness, it was the particular issues &#8211; doctrinal issues &#8211; which brought this about. The answer to Ambrose&#8217;s question could not be more plain. We cannot adopt those things which we do not find in holy Scriptures because Scripture is our final and only infallible authority.</p>
<p><strong>St. Augustine (A.D. 354–430)<br />
<em>De unitate ecclesiae</em>, 10</strong><br />
“Neither dare one agree with catholic bishops if by chance they err in anything, but the result that their opinion is against the canonical Scriptures of God.”</p>
<p>The most important thing to notice here is the belief that the Catholic bishops can err. Agreement with them is not based upon some infallible authority which they possess, but is measured against the canonical Scriptures of God!</p>
<p>Again, to be sure, there is a great respect and authority given to tradition in the early church as there was among the Reformers. Protestants need to understand this when studying history. But I do not believe that the most prominent of the early church fathers would have rejected the Protestant doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em> <em>properly defined</em>.</p>
<p>While I have great respect for many who do not agree with me on this issue, I believe that I have represented a compelling case both biblically and historically that the Scriptures are the final and only infallible source in matters of faith and practice. To be sure, this does open up the problem of interpretation that we are always going to have, but, in the end, we must follow the truth as God has revealed it. Scriptures are the <em>norma normans sed non normata</em>&#8212;&#8221;the norm of norms which is not normed.”</p>
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<p>Best of Parchment and Pen<br />
On the flight back from Athens last week, I sat in front of a gregarious Irish gentleman. He was a medical doctor in Dallas, but didn&#8217;t even come close to losing his native accent. We talked theology most of the flight.</p>
<p>He was fascinated by CSNTM&#8217;s work of photographing ancient Greek New Testament manuscripts. And he was a good student of church history. This gentleman affirmed a lot of my most precious beliefs: Jesus Christ, the theanthropic person, died for our sins and was bodily raised from the dead; by putting our faith in him we are saved indeed, we are saved exclusively by God&#8217;s grace; there&#8217;s nothing that we can bring to the table to aid in our salvation. The good doctor called himself an evangelical. And he also called himself a Roman Catholic. <span id="more-1673"></span></p>
<p>To some evangelicals, as soon as they hear that one is a Roman Catholic that immediately excludes such a person from the Pearly Gates. To some Catholics, once they hear that a person is an evangelical, they have the same posture. I wonder if part of the reason for this black-and-white view of salvation is due to a radical, unreflective commitment to one&#8217;s tradition. I am a Protestant and an evangelical. I used to think that if someone did not fit within those two labels, he was eternally damned. But part of my reasoning was that since I thought that the evangelical faith was 100% correct, any deviation from it was 100% wrong. The problem with that approach is that many other Christian groups believe in a lot of what evangelicals believe. Obviously, I can&#8217;t say that someone who believes in the bodily resurrection of Christ is 100% wrong! Yet, the three major branches of Christendom all embrace the truths that Jesus Christ is fully God, that he died for our sins, that he was raised from the dead, and that we are saved by God&#8217;s grace alone through faith. There&#8217;s so much right with other groups that it&#8217;s impossible to claim that they&#8217;re all wrong!</p>
<p>As I suggested in my last blog, I&#8217;m questioning some of the tenets of Protestantism and evangelicalism. That doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m questioning the whole thing; I still believe that the evangelical faith is the best expression of genuine Christianity today. But I also believe that it is flawed and that we can learn from Catholics and Orthodox. And just as it is possible for someone to be saved and be an evangelical, I think it&#8217;s possible for someone to be saved and be a Catholic or eastern Orthodox. So, I&#8217;m still at least 51% Protestant (and Luther is still a hero of mine), but I have no qualms criticizing my own tradition and exploring what we can learn from others.</p>
<p>This, of course, raises a significant issue: If the theological distinctions between Catholics, Orthodox, and evangelicals don&#8217;t define the boundaries of heaven and hell, then what do they do? What is the value of such distinctions? What purpose do they serve?</p>
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