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		<title>Leading the Postmodern Horse to Water &#8211; Four Views on Engaging Postmoderns</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following horse and water illustration that follows is taken from Millard Erickson’s book Postmodernizing the Faith. I use this and expand on it. How should Christians engage a post-Christian, post-evangelical world, suspicious generation of people? How do we engage postmoderns? Follow me here through this &#8220;Leading a horse to water&#8221; illustration. Here are the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The following horse and water illustration that follows is taken from Millard Erickson’s book </em><em>Postmodernizing the Faith. I use this and expand on it.</em></p>
<p>How should Christians engage a post-Christian, post-evangelical world, suspicious generation of people? How do we engage postmoderns?</p>
<p>Follow me here through this &#8220;Leading a horse to water&#8221; illustration. Here are the objects:</p>
<p>Horse=postmodern<br />
Water=the Gospel<br />
Rope=method of delivery</p>
<p>Question: How do we lead a postmodern horse to water?</p>
<p><strong>Option 1: Deny the horse is really postmodern.</strong> No one can be a consistent postmodern. We simply need to convince them of the untenability of their professing worldview and show them how they don’t hold to it in reality.</p>
<p><strong>Option 2: Convert the horse from being postmodern.</strong> Create common ground in epistemology (the way we come to know truth), then they will be able to drink the water.</p>
<p><strong>Option 3: Change the rope.</strong> Christians need to change the communication method and style for a postmodern audience, being sensitive to the ethos of our culture.</p>
<p><strong>Option 4: Change the water.</strong> The water we are calling “Gospel” today may not represent the true Gospel due to traditional folk theology and misinformation. Therefore, the water needs to be “purified.”</p>
<p><strong>Option 1: Deny the horse is really postmodern.</strong></p>
<p>No one can be a consistent postmodern. We simply need to convince them of the untenability of their professing worldview and show them how they don’t hold to it in reality.</p>
<p>This option is held by many in the Reformed tradition, especially of those who hold to a presuppositional apologetic. Presuppositional apologetics seek to make an offensive defense of the faith by bringing to people’s understanding that God is the presupposition behind all truth and knowledge. Without God, there is no such thing as an argument or a rational thought. He is required before any claim to truth can be made or any view can be held with conviction. There is a lot more to it than this, but hopefully this explanation will suffice for now. The most popular adherent to such an approach, especially when it comes to the issue of relativism, was Francis Schaeffer.</p>
<p>With regards to the issues surrounding Postmodernism, the one who takes this approach says that we yield too much ground when we concede that the “relativist” or “hard skeptic” is really such since in order to be such they have God as the very basis for their ability to doubt or deny the truth. Their logical reasoning shows that they already believe in the God of the Bible who is the presupposition behind all logical reasoning. As the old saying goes, “chaos cancels reason.” If there are reasons for relativism, this cancels relativism.</p>
<p>Those who opt for option one would not necessarily deny the other options a place, but they would say that we have to present the case as it stands, and as it stands, no one is really postmodern.</p>
<p><em>Evaluation</em></p>
<p>I don’t hold to this view much, although I do think it has its place. Yet I think the issues run much deeper than confining postmodernism to relativism. In fact, I think the ethos of the culture is not relativistic, but made up of varying degrees of skepticism and doubt. See my paper here which distinguishes between hard and soft postmodernism. I believe that our culture today is legitimately confused about truth, not necessarily denying its existence altogether.<span id="more-5971"></span></p>
<p><strong>Option 2: Convert the horse from being postmodern.</strong></p>
<p>Create common ground in epistemology (the way we come to know truth), then they will be able to drink the water.</p>
<p>This option is very much like the first, but does have some major philosophical differences in approach. Like the first, this approach starts with the assumption that postmodernism is essentially evil and antagonistic to the Christian faith, associating it completely with its tendency toward hard relativism (the belief that all truth is relative). But there is a distinction. While the first option did not accept the notion that a person could actually be relativistic in their epistemology, this option does.</p>
<p>According to advocates of this approach, people hold to contradictory systems of truth all the time. Polytheism, for example, is self-contradictory since it does not make room for a first-cause or a necessary being. Yet many people throughout time have adhered to a polytheistic worldview. The Christians job, according to this option, is to create a common intellectual ground from which evangelism can take place. Many times this will involve attempting to convince someone of the existence of a perfect, personal, all-powerful, necessary being from whom all things have their being. Once this is accomplished, then there can be a conversation where a transcendent reality, whom we call God, is creating a meta-narrative to which all truth must correspond. This God is the God of the Bible. Typical biblical apologetics can be used once the common ground has been created.</p>
<p>Some adherents of this view might be R.C. Sproul or Norm Geisler. While option one was identified with presuppositional or reformed apologetics, this option is taken by those who follow a more classical apologetics approach popularized by Thomas Aquinas.</p>
<p><em>Evaluation</em></p>
<p>I believe that this approach, like the last has its merits. I think it recognizes that people’s thinking can become corrupt due to sin and bad influences within the culture. But I must contend with its understanding of the postmodern ethos. I think that it is too simplistic to identify the problem and solution upon the assumption of hard relativism. I don’t think that the average person is truly a hard relativist either in confession or practice. I think better designations are skeptical and suspicious. They do not trust other people’s claims to knowledge and therefore are normally not open to listening to their arguments. At the same time, I do believe that there is going to be a necessary time and place for this type of argumentation, but only once we have won their trust. And in a world where even self-trust is difficult to find, this is not going to be easy.</p>
<p><strong>Option 3: Change the rope. </strong></p>
<p>Christians need to change the communication method and style for a postmodern audience, being sensitive to the ethos of our culture.</p>
<p>To change the rope means that we evaluate our presentation method and change where necessary. This might be considered the choice of many within the emerging church (although number 4 will also play into this as well). It is also the method of many “seeker” churches.</p>
<p>When changing the rope, there are no sacred cows. As the culture changes, so must our methodology in presenting the Gospel and doing church. This might take many forms. It could be as simple as changing the worship style from traditional music to contemporary or it can be as radical as sculpting the Gospel out of clay instead of words. Whatever communicates best to our culture should be used as a medium for the Gospel. Whatever the culture shuns or distrusts as far as communication is concerned should not be used. If we live in a drama-driven culture that seeks to experience life through fictional movies, then the Christian community should be making movies that communicate truth. If we live in a culture that has acquired a disdain and distrust for traditional church gatherings, then lets change them. In other words, there is nothing sacred in the way we do things, only in what we do.</p>
<p>Those who adhere to this option would see a distinction between form and function. <em>Function </em>represents the basic principles (i.e. the water), the <em>form </em>is the way the function is made manifest (i.e. the rope). The form is always in need of change, even if the fundamentalists of each generation cry wolf-they always have and always will.</p>
<p>As well, changing the rope can be seen as following the pattern set by God. God did not write in a “God-type” literature, but condescended to the culture in which He was communicating. He used Psalms where Psalms were common, He used Near-Eastern suzerain-vassal treaties when in the Near-East, and used parables for relevance to those who would understand them. Therefore, according to this position, God changed the rope, so should we.</p>
<p><em>Evaluation</em>:</p>
<p>Like the previous, I see much to commend with this option. We all have the tendency to see the rope as sacred as the water due to longevity of use. “I use this rope because mom used this rope, and her mom used this rope, and her mom used this rope. If it is good enough for them . . .” you know the rest. The rope is not sacred, yet we have the tendency to make it such. I agree very much with this view since it sees a great need to evaluate the culture and make change based upon the ethos of the generation. I do believe that God condescended His message to make it understandable and relevant. Heck, even language itself is a condescension in many ways. To the Hebrews, He spoke Hebrew. To those in the first century, He spoke in Greek. Why? Because that is the only way they could understand. He changed the rope. So should we.</p>
<p><strong>Option 4: Change the water.</strong></p>
<p>The water we are calling “Gospel” today may not represent the true Gospel due to traditional folk theology and misinformation. Therefore, the water needs to be “purified.”</p>
<p>I can hear the reaction. “Change the Gospel? This cannot be. This is the last thing that I would choose. The Gospel must remain pure and unadulterated.” I know that it is very easy to have an elbow-jerk reaction to this, proverbially slapping it in the face, but, like the others, let us consider it in the way that those who opt for it would.</p>
<p>There are many in the church who would say that the “Gospel” that we call the “Gospel” is not really the Gospel at all. In other words, the water is not pure. According to this group, the culture is reacting strongly against church, Christians, and religiosity in general. They are not only sick of the self-righteousness that is so easy to find, but against the dogmatism of the various groups represented. This dogmatism has the “I’m right, your wrong; Your going to hell, I’m not” feel about it. They like Jesus, but not the Church. What does that mean? Well according to those who hold to this option, it means that the church does not have Jesus, at least the real, essential Jesus. In other words, if Jesus is the subject of the Gospel, and the church does not have Jesus, then the water as it is now is nothing but a poisoned, bitter, and false representation of the Gospel. Therefore, the church needs to re-evaluate the water. The church needs to put the water to the test and purify the impurities.</p>
<p>There are two groups that represent this option:</p>
<ol>
<li>Radical water changers: Those who would say that the historic Christian faith is wrong in many ways.</li>
<li>Moderate water changers: Those who say that the contemporary Christian faith is wrong in many ways.</li>
</ol>
<p>How can we purify the Gospel? By removing unnecessary and bad doctrine that has misrepresented the truth and given the church a bad name. But the question becomes: What are these impurities?</p>
<p>The radical water changers would have no ties to tradition at all. They would entertain the thought that many beliefs that have defined the historic Christian faith are wrong. Included in these beliefs could be the doctrine of Hell (is it really eternal? Is it really real? Let’s not speak about it), the doctrine of God (is God really eternal? if so, how can He relate?), the exclusivity of Christ (is Christ really the only way?), the atonement (would God really enact “cosmic child abuse” to secure redemption?), the doctrine of sin (are we really condemned for the sin of another?), and the like. The water is purified to the point where all that secure is the fact that God loves all people and will eventually save all somehow (universalism). These can be found in the liberal church and many of the more radical representatives in the emerging church.</p>
<p>The moderate water changers, on the other hand, would say that the church must always be evaluating the water to make sure that no impurity has crept in unaware. Sometimes these impurities come as a result of reaction against the culture or other false teachings. They are added to the water during the battle, but never taken out – even when the battle is over. This group would look to historic Christianity for the basic essential elements of the Gospel, often looking to the early creeds and confessions. Additives that they would consider unworthy of the water would be issues of practice that have become normalized to such a degree that you cannot distinguish them from the Gospel. It may be how we do church (“big church,” “little church”), how we present the Gospel (the “sinners prayer,” walking the aisle, the Four Spiritual Laws), how we relate to the culture (“if the culture does it, Christians should not” mentality), and legalistic practices (Christians should not drink, gamble, dance, smoke, or go to the movies), political additives (Christians must vote Republican), and the like. According to this group, these practices have been traditionalized within the church to such a degree that they are now part of the water. As well, according to this group, non-essential doctrinal additives are present in the water. Some Christians have elevated non-essential beliefs to that of essentiality (political affiliations, views of the end-times, views on election, views on the inerrancy of Scripture). Therefore, the church needs to purify the water as it has become corrupt, getting the water back to the basic essentials. This option is held by many evangelicals and has much representation in the moderate emerging church.</p>
<p><em>Evaluation</em>:</p>
<p>I don’t believe that the radical water changers are on safe ground. How can one depart from two-thousand years of essential Christian belief and still call themselves Christian? Is God absent from history? Is He a cheerleader on the sidelines or is He in the game? You cannot justify a radical change in basic Christian doctrine. You may not like it or agree with the way God did things, but if the Church has held strong to these basic essentials, we must respect God’s work through the giants of the past. When they speak in unity across time, you had better humble yourself and listen. This amounts to diluting the water according to the feelings and opinion of a contemporary audience. This will not do.</p>
<p>The moderate water changer option, on the other hand, has much to commend. They don’t seek to dilute the water, but to remove the additives. We are always in need of re-evaluation and reform. I believe that the Reformers were moderate water changers with regards to the culture and church at the time of the Reformation. Interestingly, the institutionalized church of the day believed that they were radical water changers. I believe that the church does need to inspect the water to make sure that there are no impurities present. I do believe that the Gospel can become identified by non-essential methodology and folk lore. Indeed, this makes the water not only hard to drink, but it can become completely destructive to the representation of Christ. Christ, in this sense, can be separated from the Gospel and the church. We need to make sure this does not happen.</p>
<p>In short, the water needs to be <em>mere </em>Christianity. Once it is, then it cannot be changed.</p>
<p>To bring this to a conclusion, I believe that all the options have their place when rightly understood. How do we engage postmodernism? I believe that we meet people where they are and bring them the <em>essential</em> Christ. The options will be relative to the situation. Therefore, there is no one option that is always right or wrong. (Boy, that sounds postmodern!)<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/02/engaging-postmodernism-4-views/" rel="bookmark" title="February 27, 2007">Engaging Postmodernism: 4 Views</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/03/engaging-postmodernism-4-views-3/" rel="bookmark" title="March 3, 2007">Engaging Postmodernism (3): Changing the Horse</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/03/engaging-postmodernism-4/" rel="bookmark" title="March 13, 2007">Engaging Postmodernism (4): Changing the Rope</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/03/engaging-postmodernism-4-views-4/" rel="bookmark" title="March 15, 2007">Engaging Postmodernism (5): Changing the Water</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/03/engaging-postmodernism-4-views-2/" rel="bookmark" title="March 1, 2007">Engaging Postmodernism (2): Denying the Horse is Postmodern</a></li>
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		<title>Bible Interpretation In a Nutshell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following is a practical guide to biblical interpretation following a three step process that I have used for years. The Bible is two-thousand years old and often seems very archaic. This makes it hard to know how it applies to us. It can be very frustrating as all Christians are encouraged to read their [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">The following is a practical guide to biblical interpretation following a three step process that I have used for years. The Bible is two-thousand years old and often seems very archaic. This makes it hard to know how it applies to us. It can be very frustrating as all Christians are encouraged to read their Bible daily but often are at a loss as to how to understand it and apply the message to their own lives. This process has served me well and I believe it is representative of the best way to interpret the ancient word of God and apply it to today. I hope that it will alleviate some of the &#8220;Bible interpretation anxiety&#8221; that is out there, allowing the Bible to become real and relevant to your life.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Bible-Interpretation-in-a-Nutshell.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4355" title="Bible Interpretation in a Nutshell-small" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Bible-Interpretation-in-a-Nutshell-small.jpg" alt="" width="452" height="339" /></a></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Notice the three sections of the chart. There are three audiences that everyone needs to recognize in the process of interpreting the Bible. In the bottom left, you have the &#8220;ancient audience.&#8221; This represents the original audience and the original author. The top portion represents the &#8220;timeless audience&#8221; which transcends the time and the culture of the original situation. It is that which applies to all people of all places of all times, without regard to cultural and historical issues. Finally, we have the &#8220;contemporary audience&#8221; in the bottom right. This represents the audience of today. Here we will find application of the Bible with regard to our time, culture, and circumstances.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">In Biblical interpretation, it is of extreme importance that one goes in the order of the chart. The goal is to find out what the Bible <em>meant</em>, what it <em>means</em>, and how it <em>applies</em> to us. So many people start with the third step and fail miserably in understanding God&#8217;s word. Others start with step number two, attempting to force their own theology on the text. It is important that all steps are covered to ensure interpretive fidelity.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: left;">Step one: Exegetical Statement</h2>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>What did it mean then?</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The first step is the most important. Here the goal is to ascertain the original intent of the writing. It is very important that one enters into the world of the author and the audience. Sometimes this will be easy, sometimes it will be very difficult, requiring quite a bit of study.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Here are the different issues that you must consider:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Historical issues</em>: There will be historical circumstances that will aid in your understanding of the text. Here, you will ask questions of &#8220;occasion.&#8221; Who is the original author? Who is the original audience? What purpose did the writing have? When Moses wrote the Pentateuch, what was his occasion or purpose? Was it to give an exhaustive history of the world to everyone or to prepare the Israelite religious community to exist in a theocratic society under Yahweh? When Paul wrote his letter to the Corinthians, what was his purpose? Knowing that in 2 Corinthians he was writing to defend his apostleship as other false apostles were opposing him is essential to understanding every verse. As well, what was Paul&#8217;s disposition toward the Galatians when he wrote to them? Was it to commend, condemn, or correct? The occasion will determine so much of our understanding.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Grammatical issues</em>: It is important to understand that the Bible was written in a different language. The New Testament was written in Greek. Not only that, but it was a particular kind of Greek called &#8220;Koine.&#8221; Most of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew (small portions in Aramaic). Naturally, other languages will have characteristics that communicate well in the original tongue but can get lost in translation. Greek, for example, works off inflections (word endings) which determine their part of speech. Word placement can add emphasis. These types of things are often hard to translate. I am not saying that everyone needs to be a Greek and a Hebrew scholar to understand the Bible, only that there are grammatical issues that can nuance our understanding of the passage. A good commentary will normally bring these to recognition.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Contextual issues</em>: Every book was written for a purpose. The smallest component of a writing is a letter. We don&#8217;t take each letter in isolation, but understand that with a group of letters, it makes a word. But we don&#8217;t take the word in isolation, understanding that a group of words makes a sentence. And we don&#8217;t take sentences in isolation, understanding that a group of sentences makes a paragraph. But we don&#8217;t stop there. Each paragraph either represents or is a part of a larger whole that we call a &#8220;pericope.&#8221; The pericope is the basic argument or story that is being told. The story of David and Goliath is a pericope of many paragraphs. As well, Christ&#8217;s parables make up individual pericopes. Finally, the pericopes are smaller parts of the entire book. The purpose of the book will shape the context in which each pericope should be interpreted.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Here is how it looks:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/context.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4357" title="context-small" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/context-small.jpg" alt="" width="451" height="339" /></a></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Literary issues</em>: We must remember that there is no such thing as a type of literature called &#8220;Bible&#8221; or &#8220;Scripture.&#8221; The Bible is made up of many books from many different types of literature called &#8220;genres.&#8221; Just like in your everyday life, you encounter many genres and know almost instinctively that they follow different rules of understanding. You have fiction novels, newspaper editorials, commercials, television dramas, academic textbooks, and tickers at the bottom of the news stations. All of these need to be understood and interpreted according to the rules of the genre. In the Bible, we have narratives, histories, parables, apocalyptic prophecies, personal letters, public letters, songs, proverbs, and many others. Each of these are to be interpreted according to the rules of the genre. Just because they are in the Bible does not mean that the rules change. For example, a proverb is a common type of literature that is found in the Bible, but also in many other cultures. A proverb is a statement of general truth or wisdom that does not necessarily apply in every situation. A proverb is not a promise. If it is in the Bible, it is still not a promise. As well, theological histories are just that&#8212;theological. Being in the Bible does not turn it into a technically precise and exhaustive history that is supposed to answer every question that we have. We must determine the type of literature we are dealing with if we are to understand it. <span id="more-4354"></span></p>
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<h2 style="text-align: left;">Step two: Theological Statement</h2>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>What does it mean for all people of all places of all times?</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Here is where you are moving from what <em>was</em> being said to what <em>is</em> <em>always</em> being said; from <em>was</em> being taught to what <em>is always</em> being taught; from what the (original) author <em>was</em> saying to his audience to what the Author (God) is <em>always</em> saying to all people. The audience here is timeless and universal. You are extracting the timeless principles for all people, of all places, of all times.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Principle: A general truth that that applies universally. A doctrine. A fundamental law. The underlying reality. The essence of the action. The reason for the norm.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Sometimes it is very easy to find the principle as there is no cultural baggage to extract or interpret. Other times it can be very difficult. As well, there are not always principles to universalize. More often than not, the text will only be communicating what was done without any mandate to follow the example. An easy illustration of this is when Paul told Timothy to bring him his cloak (coat) he left in Troas (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Tim 4:13" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Tim%204.13/">2 Tim 4:13</a>). This is not to be universalized in some way where Christians are supposed to be bringing people coats, clothes, or anything else to warm themselves with. It is simply what Paul needed in his time and we must allow it to be limited to such. Therefore, you much distinguish between what is <em>prescribed</em> and what is merely <em>described</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">On the other hand, we also have material that is already in its principlized form. For example, when the author of Hebrews says that Jesus Christ has said that &#8220;he will never leave you or forsake you&#8221; (<a class="bibleref" title="Heb. 13:5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Heb.%2013.5/">Heb. 13:5</a>), in the context, this is already a principle. In other words, there is no reason to think that he is only saying this to the recipients of the book in the sixties, but there is every reason to believe that this refers to all Christians of all times. We must simply ask if the passage applies universally or locally.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">One way to determine this is to follow the &#8220;analogy of Scripture&#8221; as you can see on the original chart. Here you are to ask if the Bible, in other places, confirms, repeals, or denies the principle or action. For example, much of the Law in the Old Testament does not find any application to us today, either theologically or in practice. Why? Because Christ fulfilled the law in many ways. The New Testament explicitly tells us that we are not under the law. Therefore, when it comes to animal sacrifices, we no longer need to practice this in any way. Christ&#8217;s sacrifice fulfilled this law.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">At other times, principles will not be overshadowed by a fulfillment and even, often be confirmed in multiple places elsewhere. This lets us know that that the principle is universal and not limited to a particular moment in redemptive history. For example, the command not to commit adultery is never repealed and is confirmed in many other places. This is the analogy of Scripture.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Once a solid interpretation has been made, one must look for reinforcement for the principle in other places. These places should never be thought of as more authoritative than Scripture itself, but as an interpretive aid in responsibly coming to a conclusion. Here are the four places to look:</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>1. Reason</em>: Is the interpretation reasonable? Does it make sense? I am not talking here in a subjective sense, but in a very formal sense. If your interpretation directly conflicts with other known information then the filter of reason will drive you back to Scripture to reassess your conclusion. Truth cannot contradict itself. The filter of reason will provide a valuable avenue of assessment concerning your interpretation.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>2. Tradition</em>: What do others say about it? Here, you will be dipping into the well of the interpretive community asking for help. If we believe that the Holy Spirit is in all Christians, we hope to find aid from the advice of the Spirit led community. Not only are you to look to contemporary scholars and theologians, but also to the history of the Church. What has the church said about this passage/issue throughout time. If you come to a different conclusion than the historic body of Christ, it is a good sign that you have taken a wrong interpretive turn somewhere. Though this is not always the case.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>3. Experience</em>: Don&#8217;t be surprised here. Albeit fallible, our experience is a very important interpretive guide. If your interpretation militates against your experience, this <em>could</em> be a sign that your interpretation is wrong. For example, when we interpret Christ in the upper room discourse concerning prayer &#8220;in his name,&#8221; we could get the idea that we can ask for <em>anything</em> in his name and expect to receive it. &#8220;Please give me a new 2010 Camaro, in Jesus&#8217; name.&#8221; &#8220;Please heal my mother, in Jesus&#8217; name.&#8221; &#8221;Please remove this depression, in Jesus&#8217; name.&#8221;  Been there done that. We all have. When the magic formula does not work in our experience, we return to the Scripture to search for other interpretive options. As well, we should. God expects and requires the analogy of experience in our interpretation of Scripture. The Bible is impossible to understand without an assumption of experience. While experience can lead us wrong and we don&#8217;t believe that it can contradict rightly interpreted Scripture, it can help us to figure out how to rightly interpret Scripture.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>4. Emotion</em>: Like with experience, we must be very careful here. Our emotions can be extremely important and also extremely misleading. First, they are important by analogy. When we read about God&#8217;s love, in order for us to understand this love, we are expected to have had some degree of the emotion ourselves. For us to know what &#8220;the peace that passes understanding&#8221; is, we have to have experienced some sort of peace in our lives. If we have not,  our understanding is going to be two-dimensional. Second, our emotions can direct us to the right understanding. We are told that the Holy Spirit convicts us of the truth. This internal conviction must be a valid source of information. If we feel that an interpretation of a passage is wrong because it does not seem to be emotionally satisfying, this <em>could</em> be an indication that it is indeed wrong. Yet, we must be careful here as our emotions are guided by many other sinful elements that can mislead us to the wrong interpretation as well. Nevertheless, it is a part of the theological process to recognize the part our emotions play in our understanding of the Scripture, both good and bad. If we deny them and act as if they have no part to play, we are only fooling ourselves.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Extraction of the Principles</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Once your interpretation has been filtered through these things and affirmed, the cultural baggage must be completely extracted. Again, this involves a separation of the principles from the way in which these principles are applied in various contexts. The danger of skipping step two is tremendous. Skipping this step can make the Bible irrelevant as people fail to realize that there were often cultural issues that determine the application of the principle. These cultural issues are not timeless and will find little relevance in other places. For example, Paul tells the Romans to &#8220;greet each other with a holy kiss.&#8221; While the principle of showing affection transcends culture, if you don&#8217;t extract that principle and apply it properly in your context, you might find yourself in a heap of trouble as you attempt to kiss someone who will take it the wrong way. Interpretation: the act of greeting people with a kiss will not be an acceptable way of showing affection in some cultures. You can just shake my hand. You cannot skip step two.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Another example: Paul speaks of the necessity of women&#8217;s head coverings to the Corinthians. What we must ask ourselves is whether or not women wearing head coverings is an eternal requirement of God or if there is some underlying principle that it represents. When I was at church last week, most of the women there were not wearing hats or any sort of covering at all. Does this mean that the women of this church do not believe or submit to the Scriptures? Doing a historical study of this issue reveals that head coverings, in this culture (as well as many today), probably represents both a women&#8217;s submission to their husbands and their sexual modesty. In that culture, a woman&#8217;s hair was a representative and revelation of her beauty. Failing to wear a head covering was sexually provocative <em>in this culture</em>. This has implications toward the marital bonds and fidelity. However, it is modesty and fidelity that is at issue, not simply the wearing of a hat. In this case, extracting the timeless principle means that the cultural baggage of expression&#8212;the hat&#8212;gets discarded so that the real issue can come into focus.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">We must do our best to distinguish that which is time-bound from that which is timeless. Then, and only then, are we prepared for step three.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: left;">Step three: Homeletical Statement</h2>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>How does it apply to me?</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Finally, we are ready to apply the Scriptures to the 21st century. Having performed the first two steps, we now have all that is needed to contextualize the principles into our own situation. Having worked the passage down to its basic principles, we must reengage the principles, properly applying our own culture and context.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">For example, continuing with the head covering illustration, we must take the basic timeless principle and apply it to ourselves. In this case, here in 21st century Norman, Oklahoma, head coverings or hats have no relevance toward modesty. The way to be sexually promiscuous today would involve many things including the length of skirts and the height of tops. The principle of modesty still applies, just in other ways.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Again, this only applies to the materials that have made it through the process in tact. Historical details, incidentals, and descriptive material will never find <em>this type</em> of immediate and practical application. Like with so much of the Scripture, the primary application will be to <em>believe</em> it. I believe that God delivered the Israelites from bondage. It is a historical event that expresses God&#8217;s faithfulness to his promises. Broadly speaking, I can use this as an <em>illustrative</em> of God&#8217;s faithfulness to his promises. But there is no reason for me to extract a timeless principle and say that God will deliver all people from all their pain in this life and then apply it to my immediate situation saying God will deliver me from these difficulties that I am going through. It is only the timeless principles that qualify for specific timely application.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">God has promised a lot of things. God has not promised a lot of things. So many times I want to read into the Scriptures promises that he has never made. I remember my mother did this before my sister Angie died. She read one of the Psalms about God&#8217;s deliverance and directly applied it to Angie&#8217;s depression and her physical deliverance. It destroyed her when Angie died. She thought God had failed her.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It is so important for us to follow this process properly and faithfully. For if we properly interpret the Scriptures consistently, we will be less prone toward discouragement, disillusionment, and distancing ourselves from God. The Bible is so rich and full of application and information, but is not a magic book or a wax nose. It means what it means. Proper biblical interpretation through following the steps outlined above will serve us well.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">That is biblical interpretation in a nutshell.</p>
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		<title>A Brief Primer on the Problem of Evil</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/12/a-brief-primer-on-the-problem-of-evil/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Apologetics]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem of evil is certainly one of the greatest apologetic issue that Christians face today. In a postmodern world, people’s questions, objections, and problems with the Christian worldview are usually connected to the reality of evil in the world and their attempts to harmonize this reality with the seemingly contradictory notion of an all-powerful, all-good God. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem of evil is certainly one of the greatest apologetic issue that Christians face today. In a postmodern world, people’s questions, objections, and problems with the Christian worldview are usually connected to the reality of evil in the world and their attempts to harmonize this reality with the seemingly contradictory notion of an all-powerful, all-good God. So valid is this issue that Ronald Nash, the late evangelical philosopher, said a few years ago (and I quote him loosely), “It is absurd to reject Christianity for any reason other than the problem of evil.”</p>
<p>We must be careful not to relegate this problem exclusively to the intellectual realm. I think that J.P. Moreland and William Lane Craig have it right when they say we must distinguish between the intellectual problem of evil and the emotional problem of evil (<em><a href="http://astore.amazon.com/reclaimingthe-20/detail/0830826947/105-5012737-8126024">Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview</a></em>, 536). The intellectual problem of evil asks, “<em>Is it possible</em> for a good, all-powerful God to exist in a world where evil is present?” The emotional problem of evil asks “<em>Why</em> would God <em>allow</em> such a thing as _______?” See the difference? One question is concerned with the <em>objective</em> coherence of God and evil, the other is concerned with the <em>subjective</em> coherence of God and evil.</p>
<p>While I think the primary issue today is more with the emotional problem of evil, I do believe that the intellectual problem is one that must be faced before the subjective problem can be dealt with with integrity. Therefore, I believe that the two can be distinguished, but should not be separated.</p>
<p>The foundation for both, comes from this syllogism:</p>
<p>1. If God is all powerful (omnipotent) and<br />
2. If God is all good (omnibenevolent)<br />
3. Then His goodness would motivate Him to use His power to eradicate evil.</p>
<p>The intellectual problem of evil is easier to answer since evil’s existence does not, in reality, present a logical contradiction as the syllogism suggests. In other words, the conclusion is not a <em>necessary</em> conclusion, only a possible one. While God could use His power to eradicate evil, His goodness does not necessitate such an act. The following will attempt to explain.</p>
<p>There are three possible defenses to the problem of evil:</p>
<p>1. <strong>The free-will defense</strong>: Many would say that God cannot create a world where there is true freedom, yet determine all that happens. In other words, being all-powerful does not mean that God can do <em>anything</em>. There are many things that God cannot do. For example, God cannot make a square circle, He cannot make a rock so big that He cannot pick it up, He cannot sin, He cannot commit suicide, and He cannot lie (<a title="Titus 1:2" href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Titus+1%3A2"><a class="bibleref" title="Titus 1:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Titus%201.2/">Titus 1:2</a></a>). In short, God cannot do anything that is inconsistent with His character and He cannot harmonize logical contradictions (since they are by definition that which are beyond reconciliation). It would be a logical contradiction to say that God can create a world where true freedom exists, yet evil is guaranteed not to exist.</p>
<p>Positives:<span id="more-3489"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>It does seem consistent with the very idea of personhood, which requires some degree of freedom.</li>
<li>God is not ultimately responsible for evil.</li>
</ul>
<p>Problems:</p>
<ul>
<li>True <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/04/23/why-i-reject-the-arminian-doctrine-of-prevenient-grace/">libertarian freedom is a difficult notion to sustain</a>, both biblically and philosophically. While we make free choices, we make them based on who we are, which is not completely self-determined.</li>
<li>This seems to give ultimate control to human freedom, thereby diminishing the sovereignty of God.</li>
<li>This does not seem to adequately deal with the problem of natural evils (hurricanes, floods, droughts, etc).</li>
</ul>
<p>2. <strong>The greater good defense</strong>: Others would say that God has a transcendent purpose that ultimately legitimizes all evil, even if our understanding of this purpose is absent. What might seem like meaningless suffering and pain to us is actually serving to produce transcendent good. For example, what Joseph’s brothers meant for evil (selling him into slavery out of envy), God used for good (preservation of the nation of Israel). While what the Jewish leaders did to Christ was evil (crucifying Him on a cross), it served God’s purpose as a transcendent good (redemption of humanity).</p>
<p>Positives:</p>
<ul>
<li>Strong biblical support.</li>
<li>Keeps God sovereignty intact.</li>
<li>Brings meaning to suffering even if we don’t understand its end purpose.</li>
<li>Analogies in our own experience (discipline of children, the pain of a workout, surgery).</li>
</ul>
<p>Problems:</p>
<ul>
<li>Can seem rather cold as a subjective defense of personal pain and suffering.</li>
<li>Would seem that God could find a better way, especially when the evil is so atrocious (loss of children, pedophiles, severe depression).</li>
<li>It is hard to conceive of any possible good that can be found in certain evils (prolonged suffering of those buried alive, miscarriages that are not even detected, suffering and pain among heathens who never hear the Gospel, etc.).</li>
</ul>
<p>3. <strong>Evil defines good defense</strong>: This argument would propose that evil itself is a conduit through which good can find a definition and reality in contrast to its opposite. In other words, one cannot recognize, define, or appreciate good without evil. God allows evil so that good can be seen more clearly. As when a diamond is placed against a black background one can better appreciate its beauty, so when good is placed in the background of evil one can understand its true goodness. Other examples may be found in the assumption that without evil circumstances, there can be no acts of bravery, heroism, and self-sacrifice. Therefore, evil creates opportunities for good to present itself as truly good.</p>
<p>Positives:</p>
<ul>
<li>Gives evil a purpose.</li>
<li>Finds analogies in real life where people find distinct dignity as they rise above humanities natural evil inclination toward selfishness through outstanding acts of sacrifice.</li>
</ul>
<p>Negatives:</p>
<ul>
<li>Seems like a rather cold way for God to define good.</li>
<li>The assumption that good cannot be defined or recognized without evil is hard to accept. Did God himself not know good until evil was present?</li>
<li>Does not explain meaningless suffering and pain or natural evils.</li>
</ul>
<p>While I have presented these options as mutually exclusive, they are not. In fact, I don’t know of any who will actually defend the Christian worldview with regards to the problem of evil by offering any one of these <em>alone</em> as sufficient. Most will emphasize one more than another.</p>
<p>I believe that all of these have their place so long as they are defined correctly. I believe that human freedom is the <em>ultimate</em> cause for the genesis of evil (natural or moral). Yet I also believe that God is in providential control of <em>all things</em>, including evil, having a purpose which He reveals <em>at His own discretion</em>. I also believe that part of the good that comes from the allowance of evil is the opportunity for us to see true righteousness in all its beauty.</p>
<p>Whatever position that we take, we must be sensitive to the magnitude of this issue, especially today. We must also approach these issues with great humility, knowing that the problem of evil is a problem precisely because it causes great pain and suffering. Discouragement and disenchantment with God when evil is present must not be looked down upon with a smug attitude of theological elitism. Theological understanding mixed with some degree of agnosticism (i.e., not knowing) is vital. This should prepare us to face our own upcoming evils with deep roots. It should also give a foundation for tender comfort to those in pain.</p>
<p><a title="Romans 8:18" href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+8%3A18"><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 8:18" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%208.18/">Romans 8:18</a></a> “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.”</p>
<p><a title="1 Peter 4:13" href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Peter+4%3A13"><a class="bibleref" title="1 Peter 4:13" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Peter%204.13/">1 Peter 4:13</a></a> “But to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation.”</p>
<p><a title="Hebrews 2:10" href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Hebrews+2%3A10"><a class="bibleref" title="Hebrews 2:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Hebrews%202.10/">Hebrews 2:10</a></a> “For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.”</p>
<p><a title="Romans 8:28" href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Romans+8%3A28"><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 8:28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%208.28/">Romans 8:28</a></a> “And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.”<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Six Views on the Creation/Evolution Debate</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/six-views-on-the-creationevolution-debate/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Creation/Evolution]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Young Earth Creationism The belief that the universe and all that is in it was created by God around ten-thousand years ago or less. They insist that this is the only way to understand the Scriptures. Further, they will argue that science is on their side using &#8220;catastropheism.&#8221; They believe that world-wide biblical catastrophes [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>1. Young Earth Creationism</strong></p>
<p>The belief that the universe and all that is in it was created by God around ten-thousand years ago or less. They insist that this is the only way to understand the Scriptures. Further, they will argue that science is on their side using &#8220;catastropheism.&#8221; They believe that world-wide biblical catastrophes sufficiently explain the fossil records and the geographic phenomenon that might otherwise suggest the earth is old. They believe in a literal Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, snake talking, and world-wide flood.</p>
<p><strong>2. Gap Theory Creationists</strong></p>
<p>Belief that the explanation for the old age of the universe can be found in a theoretical time gap that exists between the lines of <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1:1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201.1/">Genesis 1:1</a> and 1:2. God created the earth and the earth <em>became </em>formless and void. Therefore God instituted the new creation which begins in <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201.2/">Genesis 1:2</a>b. This theory allows for an indefinite period of time for the earth to exist before the events laid out in the creation narrative. Gap theorists will differ as to what could have happened on the earth to make it become void of life. Some will argue for the possibility of a creation prior to humans that died out. This could include the dinosaurs. They normally believe in a literal Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, snake talking, and world-wide flood.</p>
<p><strong> 3. Time-Relative Creationism</strong></p>
<p>Belief that the universe is both young <em>and </em>old depending on your perspective. Since time is not a constant (Einstein’s Theory of Relativity), the time at the beginning of creation would have moved much slower than it does today. From the way time is measured today, the succession of moments in the creation narrative equals that of six twenty-four hour periods, but relative to the measurements at the time of creation, the events would have transpired much more slowly, allowing for billions of years.  This view, therefore, does not assume a constancy in time and believes that any assumption upon the radical events of the first days/eons of creation is both beyond what science can assume and against the most prevailing view of science regarding time today. This view may or may not allow for an evolutionary view of creation. They can allow for in a literal Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, snake talking, and world-wide flood.</p>
<p><strong>4. Old Earth Creationists</strong><br />
(also Progressive Creationists and Day-Age Creationists)</p>
<p>Belief that the old age of the universe can be reconciled with Scripture by understanding the days of <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201/">Genesis 1</a> not at literal 24 hour periods, but as long indefinite periods of time. The word “day” would then be understood the same as in <a class="bibleref" title="Gen. 2:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen.%202.4/">Gen. 2:4</a> “. . . in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” While this view believes the universe and earth are billions of years old, they believe that man was created a short time ago. Therefore, they do not believe in evolution. They believe in a literal Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, snake talking, and world-wide flood.<span id="more-2477"></span></p>
<p><strong> 5. Theistic Evolution (with a literal Adam and Eve):</strong><br />
The belief that God created the universe over billions of years, using evolutionary processes to create humanity. At some time, toward the end of the evolutionary process, God, through an act of special creation, created Adam and Eve as the head of the human race. Some also believe that God did not use special creation, but appointed already existing humanoids as the representatives for humanity calling them Adam and Eve. They may or may not believe in a snake talking and usually believe that the flood was local.</p>
<p><strong> 6. Theistic Evolutionists (no literal Adam and Eve)</strong><br />
The belief that God created the universe over billions of years, using evolutionary processes to create humanity. Adam and Eve are simply literary and symbolic, representing the fall of humanity and the ensuing curse.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-2483" title="creation-evolution" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/creation-evolution.jpg" alt="creation-evolution" width="508" height="103" /></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>Problems with the more conservative views:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Often does not recognize that the Bible is not a science book and was not meant to answer all our questions.</li>
<li> Can create a “believe-this-or-do-not-believe-anything-at-all” approach.</li>
<li> Can creates a dichotomy between the Bible and science.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong> Problems with the more liberal views:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li> Often assumes uniformatarianism for all of human history (i.e. the measurement of things today can be applied to the same in the distant past).</li>
<li> Can seem to twist Scripture to harmonize.</li>
<li> It is difficult to know when actual (not accommodated history) history in Genesis picks up (i.e. if <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 1-3" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%201-3/">Genesis 1-3</a> are allegory or accommodation, where does &#8220;real&#8221; history start? <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%204/">Genesis 4</a>? <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%206/">Genesis 6</a>? <a class="bibleref" title="Genesis 12" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Genesis%2012/">Genesis 12</a>? What is the exegetical justification for the change?)</li>
</ul>
<p>I believe that one can be a legitimate Christian and hold to any one of these views. While I lean in the direction of number 3, that is the best I think anyone can do&#8212;<em>lean</em>. Being overly dogmatic about these issues expresses, in my opinion, more ignorance than knowledge. Each position has many apparent difficulties and many virtues.</p>
<p>This is an issue that normally should not fracture Christian fellowship.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
<ul class="similar-posts">
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/05/the-creation-evolution-debate-in-a-nutshell/" rel="bookmark" title="May 10, 2011">The Creation-Evolution Debate in a Nutshell</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/12/creation-and-evolution-keeping-the-main-thing-the-main-thing/" rel="bookmark" title="December 23, 2011">Creation and Evolution: Keeping the Main Thing the Main Thing</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/04/snake-talk-and-evolution-comic-some-clarifications/" rel="bookmark" title="April 1, 2011">Snake Talk and Evolution Comic: Some Clarifications</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/03/the-history-of-science-is-the-history-of-bad-ideas/" rel="bookmark" title="March 18, 2010">The History of Science is the History of Bad Ideas</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/the-language-of-god-some-reflections-on-francis-collins%e2%80%99s-perspectives-on-god-and-science/" rel="bookmark" title="August 1, 2008">The Language of God: Some Reflections on Francis Collins’s Perspectives on God and Science</a></li>
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		<title>An Emerging Understanding of Orthodox</title>
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<p>I am thoroughly orthodox. No, not Eastern with a capital &ldquo;O&rdquo;, but orthodox meaning that I believe all the right things. Well . . . at least <em>I</em> think I am. But, really, it depends on how one defines &ldquo;orthodox.&rdquo; What does it mean to be orthodox?</p>
<p>It would seem that this question is taking center stage in the current theological landscape. I have heard rumors that some prominent leaders in the emerging church are going to be writing on this issue, challenging the traditional thought concerning what it means to be &ldquo;orthodox&rdquo;&mdash;even more than they have already done. Some in the Emergent church, such as Tony Jones and Brian McLaren, are saying that there may not be such a thing as &ldquo;orthodox.&rdquo; Others, like <a href="http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/">Andrew Jones</a>, seem to suggest that orthodoxy simply should be thought of as &ldquo;right worship&rdquo; rather than right teaching. Some of our more fundamentalistic brothers and sisters believe that orthodox means you agree with everything in their particular tradition or denomination. <em>Some Christians even say that &ldquo;orthodoxy&rdquo; is a representation of a dynamic confession that has developed throughout church history</em>. Well . . . ahem . . . that would be me.</p>
<p>With this in mind,&nbsp;I have written a short series on this subject. I am going to try to argue that there is such a thing as orthodoxy and it means first and foremost &ldquo;right teaching&rdquo; or &ldquo;right belief.&rdquo; I am also going to propose that orthodoxy is a <em>progressive </em><em>representation</em> of truth as it has been revealed and understood throughout history.</p>
<p>Here is the chart that I will use to serve as a visual aid. We will break it down and add to it throughout this series.</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" /><span id="more-1351"></span></p>
<p>Let me start at the beginning.</p>
<p><img style="WIDTH: 450px; HEIGHT: 251px" height="251" alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth1.jpg" width="450" /></p>
<p>Notice the dotted line. This represents the division between God&rsquo;s eternal existence which is static (above the line) and man&rsquo;s time-bound existence which is dynamic (below the line).</p>
<p>God gave man revelation in a progressive fashion. This is often referred to as &ldquo;progressive revelation.&rdquo; This simply means that when Adam and Eve were in the Garden, God did not give them a completed Scripture. For example, Abraham did not know as much as Moses about redemption. He had some basic components, but very few details. The same can be said of David. While he new more than both Abraham and Moses, he did not know as much as Isaiah, and so on.</p>
<p>The canon itself is a dynamic and progressive revealing of truth as God brings about his redemptive purpose with man. The small &ldquo;t&rdquo; represents the first installment, if you will, to truth. The &ldquo;tr&rdquo; shows how this revelation of truth was progressive through time. As you can see, revelation is completed in the New Testament when the complete truth of God&rsquo;s revelation has been finalized in the coming of Christ and the writings of the Apostles.</p>
<p>But notice something important. &ldquo;Truth&rdquo; is all in lower case below the dotted line, while above the dotted line it is in upper case. This refers to the <em>revelation</em> of truth in contrast to the <em>understanding</em> of truth. While God&rsquo;s revelation was completed, I believe, at the completion of the New Testament, the understanding of this truth in a canonical whole had just begun. I have more to say about this, but I don&rsquo;t think it would be beneficial at this point. Just keep this in mind as it serves as an important presumption of my thoughts.</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth2.jpg" /></p>
<p>Notice here that while revelation has ceased, our understating of this revelation is developing. Both Catholics and Protestants hold to a theory called &ldquo;doctrinal development.&rdquo; While the details of how doctrine develops is much different, the basic confession is the same: doctrine develops from one stage to another. This is because truth itself is better understood as time affords.</p>
<p>If you can think of a seed developing into a tree. Or even better, a baby developing into an adult. The same basic components (DNA) are in the adult as was in the baby, yet the adult has matured through time. The adult has learned and developed into a more articulate and distinct looking human. The same can be said about doctrine. Our understanding, pushed forward through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, has grown.</p>
<p>It is not the &ldquo;one deposit of faith that was once for all handed over to the saints&rdquo; that has changed, but it is our understanding of it that has matured.</p>
<p>The capital letters in &ldquo;truth&rdquo; begin to arise. Again, this is not because truth itself is <em>changing</em>, but because our understanding of truth is <em>maturing</em>. For example, while the early church believed in the deity of Christ in some sense, they did not know how to articulate this understanding in relation to the Father and the Holy Spirit. As controversies arose, the contrast that the controversies provided helped the church to develop their understanding to a more mature form. This maturation eventually gave forth in the articulation of the doctrine of the Trinity in Nicea (325) and Constantinople (381). That is why we have a capital &ldquo;T&rdquo; while the rest remains lower case. As time goes on, the church is forced to wrestle with their understanding concerning many more issues.</p>
<p>The capital letters are not meant to convey that we understand truth to the degree that God understands truth, but that we have come to, what we believe, is a maturation of the faith. Can it mature more, possibly, but this maturation will seldom be antithetical to that which has gone before. In other words, the capital &ldquo;T&rdquo; will not change to a &ldquo;D&rdquo; or an &ldquo;N.&rdquo; I will have to defend this more as we continue our study, but hopefully this is a helpful start.</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" /></p>
<p>Finally we have this chart which illustrate how our understanding of &ldquo;orthodox&rdquo; is in development along with our illumination to the truth.</p>
<p>The primary argument here is that while our orthodoxy may not be perfect this side of heaven, it, nevertheless, can be an accurate understanding of TRUTH. As Dr. John Hannah would say, &ldquo;We cannot know God fully, but we can know him truly.&rdquo; I would say the same for orthodoxy.</p>
<p>I was at a meeting where Brian McLaren said that he believes truth itself is dynamic, changing, and evolving. I am not sure if he still believes this or would continue to articulate it in such a way, but, at least at the time, I was very uncomfortable with his proposition (yes, it was a proposition). Truth does not change.</p>
<p>I am also uncomfortable with the idea that orthodoxy changes. Use the words develop, dynamic, and even evolve, but the word &ldquo;change&rdquo; is too strong. It implies an antithetical development of orthodoxy that I don&rsquo;t think a proper view of history need allow.</p>
<p><strong>Part 2: Six Views of Orthodoxy</strong></p>
<p>Christians have different presuppositions that they bring to their theology. This does not make it right or wrong, but we must understand that the unexamined presupposition is not worth having. Our view of history is no different. It is a presupposition that we bring when asking the question What does it means to be &ldquo;orthodox&rdquo;?</p>
<p>There are really six primary views that I find represented in the church today. I am going to try to explain these views using both established and original terminology. I have tried to stay away from certain terms such as &ldquo;neo-orthodox&rdquo; and &ldquo;emerging orthodox&rdquo; so as not to skew perspectives and stack the deck for or against anyone.</p>
<p><strong>1.</strong> <strong>aOrthodoxy</strong>. Belief that there is no such thing as orthodoxy as a set of &ldquo;right beliefs&rdquo; or, at the very least, Christianity should not be defined by our beliefs except in a very minimalistic way. This view of orthodoxy takes a very pessimistic view of the Church&rsquo;s need and ability to define truth, believing that orthopraxy (&rdquo;right practice&rdquo;) is the only thing that should be in focus. This pessimistic approach is influenced by the belief that defining the &ldquo;boundaries&rdquo; of Christianity according to <em>beliefs</em> has brought nothing but shame and divisiveness to Christianity. This is illustrated most in the bloodshed of the inquisition, Crusades, and wars among Christians. To be labeled &ldquo;orthodox&rdquo; or &ldquo;unorthodox&rdquo; to the aOrthodox is an arrogant power play that is oppressive to the cause of Christ. Orthodoxy, therefore, is a contextualized subjective &ldquo;moving target&rdquo; that cannot be defined.</p>
<p><em>Primary Adherents:</em></p>
<p>Emergent Church (to be distinguished as a subset of the Emerging Church)</p>
<p><em>Strengths:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Sees the importance of orthopraxy. </li>
<li>Understands the difficulty of defining Christian orthodoxy. </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Weaknesses:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Christianity loses any distinction. </li>
<li>Follows a self-defeating premise by establishing a new minimalistic orthodoxy of its own. </li>
<li>Unjustifiably follows a &ldquo;guilt by association&rdquo; premise. Just because others killed in the name of orthodoxy does not mean that those who seek to define orthodoxy will do the same. In fact, most have not. </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>2. Scriptural Orthodoxy</strong>. This is the belief that Scripture <em>alone</em> sets the bounds of orthodoxy without any aid from the historic body of Christ. This should not be mistaken for <em>sola Scriptura&mdash;</em>the belief that the Scripture is our final and only infallible authority in matters of faith and practice&mdash;but as a radical rejection of any other sources of authority such as the church, tradition, natural revelation, etc. It is often referred to as <em>solo Scriptura</em> or <em>nuda Scriptura</em>. Here, there would not be any authority derived from the body of Christ, historic or contemporary, as an interpretive community that either fallibly or infallibly has the ability to define orthodoxy. Adherents would often be found saying, &ldquo;No creed but the Bible.&rdquo;</p>
<p><em>Primary Adherents</em>:</p>
<p>Fundamentalist Protestants</p>
<p><em>Strengths</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Understands that the Bible is the only infallible source. </li>
<li>Causes people to go back to the source (<em>ad fontes</em>). </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Weaknesses</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Discounts the historic Church as a Spirit illuminated interpreter of the Scriptures that must be respected as a voice (albeit fallible) of God. </li>
<li>Creates their own orthodoxy based upon their subjective interpretation. This way there will be many orthodoxies. </li>
<li>Often results in cults who deny essential elements of Christian theology that have been held throughout church history. </li>
<li>Fails to see that we stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us. </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>3. Paleo-Orthodoxy</strong>. This is the belief that the Christian faith can be found in the early church&mdash;namely in the&nbsp;consensual beliefs of the early church. This is a form of &ldquo;consensual orthodoxy&rdquo; (<em>consensus fidelium</em>). This search for consensus follows the dictum of Saint Vincent of Lrins: <em>quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus,</em> &ldquo;that which was believed everywhere, always.&rdquo; Normally, according to Thomas Oden, who coined the term &ldquo;paleo-orthodoxy,&rdquo; this consensual faith can be found in the first five centuries of the Christian church (Oden, <em>Requiem: A Lament in Three Movements</em>), before the &ldquo;speculative scholasticism&rdquo; of western Catholicism. The idea of theological progression is normally thought by strict adherents of Paleo-Orthodoxy as a post-enlightenment influenced methodology that should not be followed.</p>
<p><em>Primary Adherents</em>:</p>
<p>Eastern Orthodoxy, some Evangelicals, and many Emerging Christians (not Emergent as I have defined it in my writings)</p>
<p><em>Strengths</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Looks to the historic body of Christ for orthodoxy. </li>
<li>Understands that God&rsquo;s providential concern for the Church would have established the most important truths early. </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Weaknesses</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Can elevate the authority of the early church above that of Scripture. </li>
<li>Hard to find justifiable reasons to believe that theology cannot develop or mature beyond the first five centuries. </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>4. Dynamic Orthodoxy</strong>. This view of orthodoxy would be highly influenced by a dialectical approach to theological development, believing that orthodoxy is not in any sense static, but dynamically changing as new discoveries are being made. Early views of orthodoxy might be <em>completely</em> overshadowed by new discoveries. This approach has characterized the more liberal theologians, especially in the early twentieth century. Theology, according to dynamic orthodoxy, can change radically in an antithetical way once new discoveries are made through the advancements of human knowledge.</p>
<p><em>Primary Adherents</em>:</p>
<p>Liberal Christianity</p>
<p><em>Strengths</em>:</p>
<p>Open to change and advancement.</p>
<p><em>Weaknesses</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Too</em> open to change and advancement. </li>
<li>Christianity loses any roots. </li>
<li>Often values the credibility of human progress above the credibility of Scripture. </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>5. Developmental Orthodoxy</strong>. This view of orthodoxy is unique to Roman Catholicism, therefore, it must be understood according to the Catholic view of authority. Developmental Orthodoxy sees the fullness of Christian orthodoxy contained in the one deposit of faith given by Christ to the apostles. These Apostles handed this deposit over in two forms of tradition, written and spoken. The written tradition is found in the Scriptures, the spoken is primarily contained in the early church. This tradition is interpreted by the infallible magisterial authorities in the Roman Catholic church. Orthodoxy itself is defined progressively by this authority as situations develop throughout time. According to this theory, it is not as if orthodoxy develops <em>ex nihilo</em>, but only as the situations make necessary. Once orthodoxy has been defined, then Christians are responsible to believe it, even if it was previously obscure or non-existent (e.g. acceptance of the Apocrypha, assumption of Mary, rejection of birth control).</p>
<p><em>Primary Adherents</em>:</p>
<p>Roman Catholics</p>
<p><em>Strengths</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Can be more definitive about a definition of orthodoxy. </li>
<li>Ability to contextualize orthodoxy. </li>
<li>Sees value in church history. </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Weaknesses</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>No regulation for abuse in the Magisterium. </li>
<li>No justification for an authoritative system of infallibility beyond pragmatism. </li>
<li>Elements of newly established orthodoxy that cannot be found in church history is hard to justify. </li>
<li>Does not take a consensual approach to orthodoxy which, in the end, positions most members of the Christian faith, living and dead, as unorthodox <em>according to their current definition</em>. </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>6. Progressive Orthodoxy</strong>. This is the belief that the ultimate authority for the Christian faith is found only in the Scriptures (<em>sola Scriptura</em>) and that orthodoxy is a progressive development of the Church&rsquo;s understanding of the Scriptures. Like paleo-orthodoxy, progressive orthodoxy seeks the consensus of the Church throughout time for the <em>core essential</em> theological issues, finding most of these in the early church expressed in the ecumenical councils. But it also believes that our understanding of these issues <em>can</em> and <em>may</em> mature both through articulation and added perspective. This &ldquo;maturing&rdquo; does not amount to any <em>essential</em> change, but only progressive development as theological issues are brought to the table of church history through controversy and exegetical discovery. In other words, once orthodoxy has been established, its antithetical opposite cannot be entertained. Orthodoxy can only be advanced.</p>
<p><em>Adherents</em>:</p>
<p>Most Evangelicals, Protestant Reformers, some emergers.</p>
<p>Here is the chart that illustrates this view:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" /></p>
<p><em>Weaknesses</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>Often hard to define what is the difference is between maturity and change. </li>
<li>Who defines when a doctrine has &ldquo;matured&rdquo;? </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Strengths</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>It is anchored in the Bible while having a great respect for tradition. </li>
<li>Leaves the door open for the Holy Spirit to mature the church&rsquo;s understanding. </li>
<li>Seeks first to define orthodoxy in a consensual way. </li>
<li>Leaves room to distinguish between essential elements of orthodoxy and non-essential. </li>
</ul>
<p>Of the options given above, in my opinion the two that are the most credible are Paleo-Orthodoxy and Progressive Orthodoxy. Both are rooted in the ultimate authority of Scripture and both have a high view of God&rsquo;s providential care throughout Church history. I appreciate the consensual approach which I think must be present to some degree if one is to have a proper defense of the history of the Church.</p>
<p>In the end, however, I do lean in the direction of the Progressive Orthodox view. I believe that all the essential doctrines of Christianity were established in the early Church, but that their maturation came throughout church history. Some, such as the doctrine of the Trinity, matured earlier than others. Because of this, we find that these enjoy a greater Christian consensus. I put a higher priority on these. Yet I also believe that we need to take seriously others which matured later, even if they do not enjoy the same consensus (i.e. <em>sola fide</em>&mdash;which I believe existed in seed form in the early church, but did not develop more fully until the controversy of the sixteenth century.)</p>
<p>The distinction between the orthodoxy established in the early church and the later developing <em>tradition based</em> orthodoxy must be made and reflected upon.</p>
<p><em>quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus</em></p>
<p><strong>Part 3: The Maturing of Orthodoxy</strong></p>
<p>My view of what I call &ldquo;progressive orthodoxy&rdquo; allows for maturation and development in our understanding of orthodoxy. I will now further explain this position. First, let me restate the definition:</p>
<p><strong>Progressive Orthodoxy</strong>: The belief that the ultimate authority for the Christian faith is found only in the Scriptures (<em>sola Scriptura</em>) and that orthodoxy is a progressive development of the Church&rsquo;s understanding of the Scriptures. Progressive orthodoxy, like paleo-orthodoxy, seeks the consensus of the Church throughout time for the <em>core essential</em> theological issues, finding most of these in the early church expressed in the ecumenical councils. But it also believes that our understanding of these issues <em>can</em> and <em>may</em> mature both through articulation and added perspective. This &ldquo;maturing&rdquo; does not amount to any <em>essential</em> change, but only progressive development as theological issues are brought to the table of church history through controversy and exegetical discovery.</p>
<p>Here is how it looks so far:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" /></p>
<p>The question are many at this point. Here are some of them:</p>
<ul>
<li>How does this &ldquo;maturing&rdquo; process take place? This is not an easy question to answer for every tradition will claim that their maturation is the correct one. </li>
<li>Once a doctrine as &ldquo;matured&rdquo; does this mean that it&rsquo;s mature form is the &ldquo;new&rdquo; orthodoxy? </li>
<li>What if someone rejects the maturation in favor of its immatured form? Are they still &ldquo;orthodox&rdquo; in an immature sense? </li>
<li>What if some person, tradition, or institution favors a form that has matured slightly differently? Are they &ldquo;unorthodox&rdquo;? </li>
</ul>
<p>Let me give you some examples:</p>
<p>I believe in doctrine of salvation by faith alone (<em>sole fide</em>). This means that the sole instrumental cause of justification, from a human standpoint, is faith without the addition of <em>any</em> works, including baptism. But this doctrine, as such, was not <em>fully</em> articulated until the time of the Reformation. It was not until then, due to the controversy that arose, that the church was forced to mature in this particular aspect of soteriology (salvation). But I have a problem. The church, until this time, <em>generally</em> accepted some form of works-based justification, whether it be through baptismal regeneration, or the addition of some other good work or participation in the sacraments.</p>
<p>The same thing can be said about my view of the atonement. I believe in what is called the vicarious substitutionary view of the atonement. This means that I believe that Christ served as the substitute for man (or the redeemed), taking their punishment and making it his own while on the cross. Yet this doctrine only existed in seed form until the time of Anselm. Anselm, in the 11th century, introduced the church to the &ldquo;satisfaction&rdquo; theory of the atonement. This was more fully developed later by John Calvin. It now goes by the name &ldquo;substitutionary&rdquo; or &ldquo;penal&rdquo; atonement. What of those who did not believe such before Anselm or Calvin?</p>
<p>For both of these (and others), I have a few options:</p>
<p>1. I could say that before these doctrines were understood and articulated according to my current Protestant understanding, no one was truly saved or, at the very least, orthodox. (Radical Restorationism)</p>
<p>2. I could say that these doctrines <em>did</em> exist before, just in unarticulated form. (Thomas Oden)</p>
<p>3. I could say that these doctrines did exist in the earliest church, but the church became corrupted and lost them to some degree. (Reformers)</p>
<p>4. I could say that their immature state was sufficient for the time, but is now insufficient. (Conservative Progressives)</p>
<p>5. I could say that these developments, while true, don&rsquo;t really matter with regards to defining orthodoxy. (Emerging)</p>
<p>I am torn by some of these. The only one that I reject outright is #1. I also have <em>some</em> problems with #4. The rest may contain truth. In fact, the answer may lie in a combination of 2-5. It depends on the issue at hand. In other words, I don&rsquo;t think any one of these comprehensively explains the maturation of orthodoxy <em>for all issues</em>. Some beliefs I believe were held by the early church and later corrupted (e.g. <em>sola Scriptura</em>). Some were just assumed without question and the lack of questioning amounted to their immaturity (e.g.&Acirc; baptismal regeneration). Some, once questioned, did reveal orthodoxy as it <em>should</em> be understood by all (<em>sola fide</em>). Some came into later maturation, but should not have any bearing on <em>historic</em> Christian orthodoxy (Calvinism, dispensationalism, rapture, etc.).</p>
<p>Next, I will try to chart out (you know how I love charts!) the way this would look with respect to Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox orthodoxy.</p>
<p><strong>Part 4: Are Catholics Orthodox</strong></p>
<p>Is the Roman Catholic Church unorthodox?</p>
<p>From the perspective of a Protestant understanding of &ldquo;orthodoxy,&rdquo; relations to other traditions can vary. Protestants can be found who believe that any deviation from the developments and articulations found in the Reformation, particularly with regard to justification by faith alone, amounts to abandoning the Gospel <em>completely</em>.</p>
<p>The question is this: Does a denial of <em>sola fide</em> (justification by faith alone) amount to the production of a different Gospel and to what degree?</p>
<p>If a denial of <em>sola fide</em> produces a different Gospel in an absolute sense, then it is, by definition, unorthodox in the most severe way. However, if it deviates from the Gospel causing a distortion of the Gospel, but not a destruction of the Gospel, can it be said to be unorthodox to the degree that the Catholic church is a heretical institution?</p>
<p>Please understand, the question is not whether someone can deny <em>sola fide</em> and be saved. Most Evangelicals would (should?) agree that we are saved by faith alone, not necessarily by our belief or confession in salvation by faith alone.</p>
<p>The question is Can the true Gospel be proclaimed when <em>sola fide</em> is denied or ignored? Is <em>sola fide</em> so central to the Gospel that its neglect or denial amounts to a heterodox Gospel?</p>
<p>Those who answer in the affirmative are going to have to recognize the difficulties with such a stand. If the absence of <em>sola fide</em> from the Gospel represents an absolute destruction of the Gospel, what of the church before the Reformation that had yet to articulate salvation in such a way? I know that Thomas Oden has done much to show that the early church did hold to an unarticulated view of <em>sola fide</em>, and I think he has done a good job of showing that this problem is not as severe as some people make it out to be (see Oden, <em>The Justification Reader</em>). Yet, at the same time, it is hard for me to read through the early church and see this without definite qualifications. We need to recognize that the pre-reformation church, even the pre-<em>Roman</em> Catholic church, did hold to beliefs that would be outside of the orthodoxy produced by a Reformed view of <em>sola fide</em>. For example, the early church held to a primitive belief in baptismal regeneration. As well, we often find the blurring of the lines between justification and sanctification.</p>
<p>Therefore, if we were to say that the Reformation&rsquo;s restoration, development, and articulation of justification by faith alone was a restoration of that which was completely corrupt beforehand, we will have some issues.</p>
<p>Was the Gospel proclaimed in the sixteenth century for the first time?</p>
<p>Did true and full orthodoxy begin in the mind of Luther and the other magesterial reformers?</p>
<p>I think that there is a more reasonable option here. This option follows the idea of progressive orthodoxy that we have talked about earlier. It allows for corruption of orthodoxy, to some degree, as corruption is a vital part of its evolution to maturity.</p>
<p>Here is the chart from the last post:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/progressivetruth.jpg" /></p>
<p>Let me now advance my thesis a bit.</p>
<p>With regards to the Roman Catholic understanding of justification, I would see the orthodoxy produced as a distorted orthodoxy. This distortion, while serious, does not amount to an absolute departure from Christianity. In other words, the Gospel can still be found in Roman Catholic orthodoxy, even if the &ldquo;fullness of the Gospel&rdquo; is lacking.</p>
<p>Their development (along with that of the Eastern Church) may look like this (please don&rsquo;t try to dissect all the letters and such; that would be over-analyzing my intentions):</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/orthodoxy/orthodoxy3.jpg" /></p>
<p>Notice a few things:</p>
<p><strong>Early Church</strong>: The early church was orthodox. Some doctrines were developed, matured, and articulated more than others. This is the difference in the capital letters and lower case. Capital represents maturity (e.g. the work of Christ). Lower case represents an orthodox belief, even if it remained immature. The italics represents distorted orthodoxy. In other words, there were certain beliefs in the early church that had the essence of truth, but, because of immaturity, could often misrepresent its later matured form (e.g. the atonement as a ransom to Satan).</p>
<p><strong>Eastern Church</strong>: Here, I primarily mean the Eastern Orthodox church. Notice that they are also orthodox. The further developments represented by the &ldquo;TH&rdquo; show the progress and maturing of certain doctrines (e.g. person of Christ and the Trinity). The lower case show an undeveloped doctrine (e.g. salvation) and the italics show a distorted understanding (e.g. atonement).</p>
<p><strong>Roman Catholic</strong>: Notice here, the difference. Now we have a misspelling of &ldquo;orthodox.&rdquo; This represents the additions that the Roman Catholic church brought to the table that, from a Protestant perspective, distorts the Gospel in a more severe way. These additions might include the infallibility of the Pope, Marian dogmas, additions of &ldquo;mortal&rdquo; sins, and, a definite articulation of process justification along with an absolute denial of <em>sola fide</em>. The distortions would include sacredotalism, depository of grace, the institutionalized church, and the like. But, as you can see, much of Christian orthodoxy remains in tact in Roman Catholicism. So much, in fact, that from my perspective, it would be wrong to call them &ldquo;unorthodox&rdquo; in an absolute sense. They just have a distorted orthodoxy that, when read, can still be seen as orthodox.</p>
<p><strong>Reformed Protestantism</strong>: Obviously you will see I believe that Protestantism has the best articulation of orthodoxy, even if it remains imperfect. There are definitely some distortions (possibly ecclesiology) and some areas that need development (we must always leave room for such). But in the end, I believe that this represents the <em>fullest</em> representation of orthodoxy and, hence, the Gospel message.</p>
<p>Back to the question: Does a denial of <em>sola fide</em> (justification by faith alone) amount to the production of a different Gospel and to what degree?</p>
<p>The answer is yes and no. &ldquo;Yes&rdquo; in that it amounts to the production of a distorted or undeveloped Gospel, and, in this sense, it is different from the fullness of the Gospel (like that of the Galatian Judizers). &ldquo;No&rdquo; in the sense that its denial does not <em>completely</em> destroy the Gospel beyond recognition. For example, I believe that the Mormons have a different Gospel to the degree that orthodoxy is destroyed beyond recognition. If they were on the chart, their orthodoxy would look something like this: &ldquo;XXoM<em>OXY</em>.&rdquo; It may have some of the same elements, but it is too different and too distorted to find the truth Gospel (primarily because of the absence of the God-man). The same could be said for the Jehovah&rsquo;s Witnesses. Catholics are different. I don&rsquo;t believe that Catholics are orthodox to the degree that Protestants or Eastern Orthodox are, but, nonetheless, orthodoxy can be found in their Gospel. They do have the God-man and this means a lot.</p>
<p>Once again, you must remember, this is looking at these things from an Evangelical Protestant perspective. I am an Evangelical Protestant. So don&rsquo;t give me any cries of &ldquo;Arrogance!&rdquo; I don&rsquo;t believe Evangelicals are perfect, but I do believe we have the fullest articulation of the Gospel. If I did not, then I would go to the tradition that did!</p>
<p>At least, this is where I am at today.</p>
<p>Hopefully, you can now see how my understanding of how progressive orthodoxy can account for the development of doctrine in the face of many difficulties.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>A Primer on the Christian Understanding of Capital Punishment</title>
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<p><img src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/blindjustice.jpg" align="right" alt="" /><br />Life is a precious gift of God. Christians see life as something that must be preserved, enjoyed, and celebrated. Yet Christians&mdash;evangelical Christians&mdash;are often among those who support the death penalty. How can this be? Isn&rsquo;t there an&nbsp;inconsistency with the Christian witness of life, grace, and mercy and support of the death penalty? Isn&rsquo;t there an inconsistency when Christians say that they are against abortion but for the death penalty? Possibly.</p>
<p>I want to give a brief primer on the Christian options with regards to the issue of capital punishment. Hopefully this will serves to help people on both sides understand the issue more accurately.</p>
<p>There are essentially two positions that Christians have taken with regards to capital punishment:</p>
<ul>
<li>Rehabilitationalism </li>
<li>Retributionalism&nbsp; </li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Retributionalism</strong>: Believes that capital punishment is prescribed by God for all people in order to maintain societal order and retribution.</p>
<p><strong>Rehabilitationalism</strong>: Believes that capital punishment is repealed by the New Testament&#8217;s command to love one another and let God have final retribution.</p>
<p><strong>Arguments for Capital Punishment (Retributionalism):</strong><span id="more-674"></span></p>
<p>1. It is God&#8217;s way of punishment instituted at the time of Noah. This seems to suggest a general governmental principle that transcends the situation (i.e. there is no Law or theocracy).</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Gen 9:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Gen%209.6/">Gen 9:6</a><br />Whoever sheds man&rsquo;s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man.</p>
<p>2. It is continued in the Mosaic Law with further offenses that call for death.</p>
<p>Capital Offenses</p>
<ul>
<li>Murder (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 21:11" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2021.11/">Ex. 21:11</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Num. 35:30" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Num.%2035.30/">Num. 35:30</a>) </li>
<li>Cursing or striking parent (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 21:15, 17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2021.15%2C%2017/">Ex. 21:15, 17</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 20:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2020.9/">Lev. 20:9</a>) </li>
<li>Kidnapping (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 21:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2021.16/">Ex. 21:16</a>) </li>
<li>Witchcraft (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 22:18" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2022.18/">Ex. 22:18</a>) </li>
<li>Bestiality (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 22:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2022.19/">Ex. 22:19</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 20:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2020.16/">Lev. 20:16</a>) </li>
<li>Idolatry (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 22:20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2022.20/">Ex. 22:20</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 20:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2020.2/">Lev. 20:2</a>) </li>
<li>Negligent Homicide (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 21:29" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2021.29/">Ex. 21:29</a>) </li>
<li>Work on the Sabbath (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 35:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2035.2/">Ex. 35:2</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Num. 15:32-35" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Num.%2015.32-35/">Num. 15:32-35</a>) </li>
<li>Homosexuality (<a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 18:22; 20:13" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2018.22%3B%2020.13/">Lev. 18:22; 20:13</a>) </li>
<li>Adultery (<a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 20:10" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2020.10/">Lev. 20:10</a>; <a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 22:24" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2022.24/">Deut. 22:24</a>) </li>
<li>Incest (<a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 20:11-12, 14" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2020.11-12%2C%2014/">Lev. 20:11-12, 14</a>) </li>
<li>Prostitution (Lev.21:9) </li>
<li>Blasphemy (<a class="bibleref" title="Lev. 24:16" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Lev.%2024.16/">Lev. 24:16</a>) </li>
<li>False Prophecy (<a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 13:1-5" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2013.1-5/">Deut. 13:1-5</a>) </li>
<li>Rape (<a class="bibleref" title="Deut. 22:25" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deut.%2022.25/">Deut. 22:25</a>) </li>
</ul>
<p>3. The New Testament does not repeal the penalty&nbsp;<em>with respect&nbsp;to the government</em>.</p>
<p>4. The New Testament does inform Christians that the government is part of God&rsquo;s common grace, given to men in order to keep order in society.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 13:3-4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%2013.3-4/">Romans 13:3-4</a><br />For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; <em>for it does not bear the sword</em> for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. </p>
<p>The right and responsibility of the government to &ldquo;bear&nbsp;the sword&rdquo; definitely implies its strictest use, capital punishment.</p>
<p>5. Paul implicitly accepts and agrees with the government&#8217;s authority to use the death penalty in his own life.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Acts 25:11" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2025.11/">Acts 25:11</a>a<br />If, then, I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything worthy of death, I do not refuse to die. </p>
<p><strong>Arguments Against Capital Punishment (Rehabilitationalism)</strong></p>
<p>1. The sixth commandment states that you shall not kill (<a class="bibleref" title="Ex. 20:13" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Ex.%2020.13/">Ex. 20:13</a>). The death penalty <em>is</em> killing people.</p>
<p>2. While the Mosaic System did demand capital punishment, it was a theocracy that is no longer in effect.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 6:14-15" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%206.14-15/">Romans 6:14-15</a><br />For sin shall not be master over you, <em>for you are not under law but under grace</em>.&rdquo; (emphasis added)</p>
<p>3. Christ showed by his words and example that the death penalty was no longer in effect.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Matthew 5:38-39" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Matthew%205.38-39/">Matthew 5:38-39</a><br />You have heard that it was said, &quot;an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.&quot; But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. </p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="John 8:3-7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%208.3-7/">John 8:3-7</a><br />The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, &quot;Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?&quot; They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, &acirc;&euro;&tilde;He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. &quot;</p>
<p>4. Paul tells Christians to leave vengeance and retribution to God.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Romans 12:19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%2012.19/">Romans 12:19</a><br />&quot;Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, &quot;vengeance is mine; I will repay,&quot; says the Lord.&quot; </p>
<p>5. Statistics show that death penalty is not much of a deterrent to crime.</p>
<p><strong>My position</strong></p>
<p>I believe that the arguments for the continued use of capital punishment&Acirc;&nbsp;are much stronger. Therefore, I support&Acirc;&nbsp;and encourage the&Acirc;&nbsp;use of capital punishment for heinous crimes.&nbsp;</p>
<p>In response to the arguments against capital punishment, I would offer these observations.</p>
<p>1.&nbsp;There are major inconsistencies that make the first objection invalid in my opinion. The sixth commandment speaks against <em>murder</em>, not killing. Although there&nbsp;can be a&nbsp;fine line between murder and taking a life for societal order and retribution, their <em>is</em> a definite line. If the death penalty was always a violation of the fifth commandment, why would God have allowed such in the same Law? Notice that the penalty for breaking the sixth commandment is death (21:12). How could the fifth&nbsp;commandment prohibit that which is mandated for a violation of the sixth?</p>
<p>2. It is true that Christians are not under the Mosaic system, but the principles of the system are still good (e.g. Ten Commandments). Therefore, the governance of the system is taken away from God&rsquo;s people, not the necessarily&nbsp;principles that the system is founded on.</p>
<p>3. Christ&#8217;s words and example speak to <em>individual</em> retribution, not <em>governmental</em>. Taken to the extreme, there would be no punishment for <em>any</em> crime.</p>
<p>4. Paul&#8217;s statement in <a class="bibleref" title="Romans 12:9" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%2012.9/">Romans 12:9</a> once again seems to&nbsp;speak to individual retribution. God uses <em>government</em>, not individuals,&Acirc;&nbsp;to execute His vengeance (<a class="bibleref" title="Romans 13:4" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Romans%2013.4/">Romans 13:4</a>).</p>
<p>5. The statistics concerning the efficacy of&nbsp;capital punishment to deter&nbsp;crime&nbsp;are not consistent. Some&nbsp;statistics do suggest that&nbsp;where the fear of death is<em> truly</em> present, it does act as a deterrent. But even if it does not deter crime, this is not necessarily an argument against it. Its function is also seen as retribution, acting as God&#8217;s minister and instrument of wrath.</p>
<p>In the end, I see no inconsistency in being an advocate of the death penalty for certain crimes and being against abortion. The aborted child is innocent, having committed no crime, while the one sentenced to capital punishment is guilty of a great offense.</p>
<p>Where do you stand?</p>
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