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		<title>Book Review of Bart D. Ehrman’s &#8220;Forged&#8221; &#8211; Part 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wallace</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part 1 Part 2 A standard evangelical approach to dealing with the stylistic differences of, say, Ephesians, Colossians, and the Pastorals from the rest of Paul’s letters, is to argue that the penman or secretary of these letters may have had a larger role than merely copying down via dictation what Paul said. Ehrman, however, [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/07/book-review-of-bart-d-ehrman%e2%80%99s-forged-writing-in-the-name-of-god%e2%80%94why-the-bible%e2%80%99s-authors-are-not-who-we-think-they-are/">Part 1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2011/07/book-review-of-bart-d-ehrman%e2%80%99s-forged-part-2/">Part 2</a></p>
<p>A standard evangelical approach to dealing with the stylistic differences of, say, Ephesians, Colossians, and the Pastorals from the rest of Paul’s letters, is to argue that the penman or secretary of these letters may have had a larger role than merely copying down via dictation what Paul said. Ehrman, however, argues (135):</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Did the secretaries contribute to the contents of [Paul’s] letters? … Despite what scholars often claim, all of the evidence we have suggests that the answer is no. The same evidence applies to the authors of 1 Peter, 2 Peter, and in fact to all the other early Christian writers.</p>
<p>Ehrman interacts in this section with but one author who makes the claim of heavy secretarial involvement, E. Randolph Richards, whose doctoral dissertation was published in 1991 as <em>The Secretary in the Letters of Paul</em> (Tübingen: Mohr). In spite of denying that Richards has produced any evidence along these lines, his discussion of secretary as editor, coauthor, and even composer is collectively replete with primary documentation (43–56). Richards’ evidence for the secretary as coauthor is the weakest. Yet in his section on the secretary as composer—a role which is significantly greater than coauthor—Richards offers irrefutable evidence. He notes that, when Cicero was imprisoned, he asked his friend Atticus to compose letters on his behalf (noted on p. 50 in Richards’ monograph):<span id="more-8380"></span></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I should like you to write in my name to Basilius and to anyone else you like, even to Servilius, and say whatever you think fit. (Cicero, <em>Atticus</em> 11.5)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">If they look for [my missing] signature or handwriting, say that I have avoided them because of the guards. (Cicero, <em>Atticus</em>, 11.2.4)</p>
<p>Now if Cicero could authorize a trusted secretary to compose letters in his own name—letters that he himself never even saw—then surely the lesser deed of editing or coauthoring must also have occurred. Ehrman camps on the latter without acknowledging the former.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And it is significant that in <a class="bibleref" title="2 Thessalonians 3.17" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Thessalonians%203.17/">2 Thessalonians 3.17</a> Paul says, “I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, which is how I write in every letter.” We can infer such a note by Paul in Romans (see 16.22), Galatians (6.11), and elsewhere. In other words, Paul apparently never authorized a secretary to compose a letter in his name <em>that he did not see</em>, but he did employ secretaries as editors and virtual coauthors. That he would write something at the end of all his letters would be proof that the letter was genuine, and it would indicate that Paul had authorized its contents. It should also not go unnoticed (though Ehrman never mentions this) that the only letters disputed on linguistic bases in the Pauline corpus are those that were written toward the <em>end</em> of his life (Ephesians, Colossians, and the Pastorals; 2 Thessalonians is disputed on other grounds)—after Paul had spent years with some companions who could be trusted to flesh out his thoughts on paper.</p>
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<p align="center"><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Ehrman offers many other arguments that cannot be addressed in a short review. I must conclude with a final observation. The fact that Bart Ehrman has put forth a <em>trade-book</em> rather than a scholarly monograph on ancient pseudepigrapha allows him the luxury of not having to deal with counter-evidence or peer review. Nowhere does he cite E. Earle Ellis, D. A. Carson, Leon Morris, Douglas Moo, Donald Guthrie<strong> </strong>(except for one note on an article, ignoring his massive work on NT introduction), Andreas Köstenberger, L. S. Kellum, Charles Quarles, Richard Longenecker, Anthony Kenny, Martin Hengel, Alan Millard, K. J. Neumann, David Dungan, T. L. Wilder, Harold W. Hoehner, or countless other scholars whose research disputes his conclusions. To the unsuspecting layperson, <em>Forged</em> looks like a death knell to the NT canon. To those who labor in the discipline of NT studies, it looks like yet another sensationalist book from Ehrman that is heavy on rhetoric and light on facts.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Book Review of Bart D. Ehrman’s &#8220;Forged&#8221; &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wallace</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part 2: Statistics on Writing Styles So, how does Ehrman attempt to prove forgery in the NT? He uses the traditional arguments that have been debated for centuries: differences in style, conceptual/theological differences, and historical discrepancies from known facts. Arguments on both sides have been made, and continue to be made, in the scholarly literature. [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>Part 2: Statistics on Writing Styles</strong></p>
<p>So, how does Ehrman attempt to prove forgery in the NT? He uses the traditional arguments that have been debated for centuries: differences in style, conceptual/theological differences, and historical discrepancies from known facts. Arguments on both sides have been made, and continue to be made, in the scholarly literature. There is a ready answer to arguments that the authors of the NT are not those claimed; see, for example, the NT introductions by Carson and Moo; Guthrie; and Köstenberger, Kellum, and Quarles.</p>
<p>Ehrman however ratchets up the discussion with statistical analysis. After discussing only a part of the data (word usage) that makes up an author’s style, Ehrman concludes: “In almost every study done [in the last ninety years], it is clear that the word usage of the Pastorals is different from that in Paul’s other letters” (98). The documentation at this point cites but one author, Armin Baum, who argues, contra Ehrman, that Paul wrote the Pastorals! Further, Ehrman fails to mention the most recent sophisticated computer-assisted researches by Anthony Kenny, <em>A Stylometric Study of the New Testament</em> (NY: Oxford University Press, 1986), and K. J. Neumann, <em>The Authenticity of the Pauline Epistles in the Light of Stylostatistical Analysis</em> (Atlanta: Scholars, 1990). Kenny’s research concludes that, according to computer analysis, only 1 and 2 Timothy of the Pastorals are Pauline, while Titus is not. Yet no scholar, as far as I know, makes this claim on other grounds: the Pastorals are virtually always seen as a unit, written by the same author, whether Paul or someone else (though sometimes 2 Timothy, not Titus, is viewed as written by a different author than 1 Timothy and Titus). And Neumann, in spite of expecting quite different results, notes somberly that “The hopes did not materialize that the greater labor connected with several <em>syntactic-category indices</em> might produce some very significant criteria. … there is more variability within authors than anticipated” (205). In one test, 2 Thessalonians <em>and</em> 1 Peter both lined up with Paul’s writing style perfectly; in another, Revelation, chapters 2 and 3 were considered Pauline! No wonder Neumann concludes, “Christian authors, especially Paul, are not distinguished by the indices chosen” (213). Surely, these are not the modern sophisticated statistical studies that Ehrman is thinking of, but neither does he mention any in support of his views.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part 1 of 3 The James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at North Carolina Chapel Hill, Dr. Bart Ehrman, is the most recognized evangelical-turned-agnostic in the world today. He has written more than twenty books, though in recent years he has focused on popular writing more than academic. This is a strategy that [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>Part 1 of 3</em></p>
<p>The James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at North Carolina Chapel Hill, Dr. Bart Ehrman, is the most recognized evangelical-turned-agnostic in the world today. He has written more than twenty books, though in recent years he has focused on popular writing more than academic. This is a strategy that will eventually backfire. His most recent iteration is yet another provocative trade-book hostile to the Christian faith. His most popular previous books have attacked the reliability of the New Testament (NT) manuscripts as witnesses to the original text (<em>Misquoting Jesus</em>), the historicity of the NT (<em>Jesus, Interrupted</em>), and the problem of theodicy—how there can be a good God with so much evil in the world (<em>God’s Problem</em>). <em>Forged</em> takes head-on the authorship of many of the books of the NT, arguing that the ancient church got it wrong on most of them.</p>
<p>The book has eight chapters that, at first glance, look like discrete units. This gives the impression, reinforced by the subtitle to the work, that <em>Forged</em> marshals hundreds of pages of evidence that the writings of the NT are forgeries. But there is extensive overlap between chapters 2, 3, 5, 6, and 8. Furthermore, most of <em>Forged</em> is about books <em>other than</em> the NT: forgeries in early Christianity written both by the orthodox and heretics, other Greco-Roman forgeries, even modern forgeries. To the undiscerning reader, Ehrman’s relentless revelations about ancient forgeries will seem like rock-solid arguments—by their sheer volume—for <em>NT</em> forgeries. But surprisingly there is comparatively little on the NT itself.</p>
<p>Ehrman’s argument that there are forgeries in the NT is threefold: First, the ancient church, as with the rest of the Greco-Roman world, always rejected pseudepigraphical writings (or forgeries) whenever they were detected as such. Second, sophisticated computer-generated statistical tools have demonstrated that Paul, for example, did not write the Pastoral letters—1 and 2 Timothy and Titus. (Actually, Ehrman provides other arguments, but this one caught my eye since his claims regarding statistics were more than I had heard before.) Third, there is no evidence that the secretaries (technically known as amanuenses) for any ancient letters—including the NT letters—had any role other than to copy down what the author dictated. They did not do any significant editing, nor were they coauthors or composers of these documents.</p>
<p>This threefold argument—<em>if true</em>—would have devastating ramifications for the Christian faith. If Ehrman is right, we would need to toss out several books of the NT: Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1–2 Timothy, Titus, James, Jude, and 1–2 Peter. That’s <em>ten</em> letters assigned to the flames, since, according to Ehrman, the real authors of these letters deceived their readers into thinking that they were someone else. A brief examination of Ehrman’s arguments and evidence is therefore in order.<span id="more-8319"></span></p>
<p><strong>Ancient Forgeries</strong></p>
<p>What Ehrman has to say about forgeries in the ancient world and in early ‘Christian’ circles—he gratuitously includes Gnostics and other heretics under the rubric <em>Christian</em>—from the second century on is quite accurate and very informative. This is an excellent primer on why ancient forgeries were produced, what forgeries were produced, what their contents are, and how we know that they are forgeries (though this last item has a rather lean discussion overall). Most of the book is actually about such <em>non</em>-NT forgeries. He very carefully defines a variety of categories—forgeries, fabrications, falsifications, pseudonymy, pseudepigraphy, false attributions, etc. Ehrman has been working for years on a scholarly tome on forgeries; <em>Forged</em> is a kind of first fruits of this scholarship and here he demonstrates a well-thought out organization of the data and what appears to be an enviable command of much of the literature.</p>
<p>Along these lines, Ehrman makes important distinctions between the anonymous books of the NT—the Gospels, Acts, Hebrews, and 1–3 John—and those that claim some authorship. This distinction is important: Although the traditionally assigned authorship of the Gospels, for example, has ancient and unequivocal testimony, it is not part of the original text. All the Gospels were originally anonymous. Thus, for those who hold the Bible in high regard, there is still room for debate over the authorship of these books.</p>
<p>What the subtitle of the book claims, however, is related only to the Bible: forgeries abound in the Bible (specifically the NT). This, of course, is where the interest and the battle-lines are drawn. But surprisingly, Ehrman sides with evangelicals against most liberal theologians for one very important point—indeed, for his main thesis—that the ancient Greco-Roman world, including the ancient church, decidedly rejected any documents written in someone else’s name. This view has been held by evangelicals for a long, long time. Moderate and liberal scholars have rejected it, finding at best paltry evidence to support their claims that the ancient church embraced benign forgeries. In his important work, <em>The Making of the New Testament Documents</em> (Leiden: Brill, 1999), evangelical NT scholar E. Earle Ellis discusses the possibility of benign forgeries, or “‘Innocent’ Apostolic Pseudepigrapha.” He concludes (324):</p>
<p>&#8220;In the patristic church apostolic pseudepigrapha, when discovered, were excluded from the church’s canon. This applied whether or not the pseudepigrapha were orthodox or heretical.</p>
<p>The hypothesis of innocent apostolic pseudepigrapha appears to be designed to defend the canonicity of certain New Testament writings that are, at the same time, regarded as pseudepigrapha. It is a modern invention that has no evident basis in the attitude or writings of the apostolic and patristic church&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In this regard, Ehrman has aligned himself with the historic evangelical position, though he never acknowledges this. Significantly, his argument against liberal scholarship on this point is that the evidence doesn’t support their view, even though their position would be what Ehrman often refers to as <em>the consensus of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">critical</span> scholars</em>. That phrase is loaded: it essentially means the consensus of those people who normally agree with Ehrman on various issues regarding Scripture (hence <em>critical</em>). Rather conveniently, it ignores the great body of scholars who would disagree with him and with other liberal scholars—namely, evangelical as well as many Catholic and Orthodox scholars. Indeed, if one were to poll all NT professors, there would be no consensus over the authorship of the Pastoral letters, 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, or Colossians (though for all of these letters, when all three confessions of the Christian faith are considered, most biblical scholars would probably see them as authentic; see Ben Witherington’s discussion on this <a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/bibleandculture/2011/04/04/forged-chapter-one-a-world-of-deception-and-forgeries/">here</a> and <a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/bibleandculture/2011/04/05/forged-chapter-two-what-is-truth/">here</a>). And for the non-Pauline letters, the only NT book that would achieve anything close to a consensus <em>against</em> apostolic authorship would be 2 Peter. Even here, there are many notable exceptions. By reducing the pool to what Ehrman euphemistically calls <em>critical</em> scholars (as though evangelicals cannot be critical), he is able to shape public opinion by systematic misinformation.</p>
<p>Interestingly, where appeal to the consensus suits his purposes, sometimes that is his only argument. But when it goes against his views, he brings in evidence—evidence that evangelicals have long embraced.</p>
<p>Ehrman’s fundamental thesis, then, is refreshing in that it devours a sacred cow of liberal scholarship and puts the issue of the authorship of NT letters on an evidential basis. Finally, here is one liberal scholar with whom evangelicals can find common ground: If these books are not written by their purported authors, then they are intentionally deceptive and the early church was wrong to accept them. This focuses the debate on the <em>data</em> rather than sidestepping it with banal, worn-out diatribe about the canonicity of pseudepigrapha. As T. L. Wilder has argued (<em>Pseudonymity, the New Testament, and Deception: An Inquiry into Intention and Reception</em> [Lanham, MD: University Press of America, 2004]<em> </em>254-55), if it is true that some NT books are forgeries, such books must be expunged from sacred Scripture.</p>
<p>Ehrman puts himself at risk at this very point; he has to back up his assertions with other arguments that certain NT writings are forgeries. Major gaps in his presentation, however, are seen: Nowhere, for example, does he discuss the patristic testimony about the authorship of the thirteen letters by Paul. Routinely, biblical scholars wrestle with internal evidence (indications <em>within</em> the disputed NT letters) <em>and</em> external evidence (patristic testimony). And it is here that the evidence is overwhelmingly in support of apostolic authorship: the unequivocal testimony of these ancient authors—some reaching back to the late first century—is that Paul wrote all thirteen NT letters that bear his name, Peter wrote 1 Peter, and John wrote 1 John. As for the rest, there is some doubt raised about authorship from time to time—particularly over 2 Peter—a fact that shows that the ancients were not duped dolts but engaged in reason and research on the matter.</p>
<p>The massive amount of forgeries written in the apostles’ names that Ehrman produces demonstrates that the early church looked at the matter cautiously, since none of these forgeries—or, in Ehrman’s view, <em>only a few</em> of these forgeries—made it into the canon. Ehrman never mentions the fact that the ancient church sifted the documents, even though the evidence is clear. Further, he never mentions that the overwhelming majority of orthodox writings throughout church history were <em>not</em> forgeries, while the same cannot be said for heretical writings. Nor does he mention that it is the orthodox who unmasked the forgeries of both the orthodox and heretics; as far as I am aware there is zero evidence of any heretical group admitting forgery for any of their <em>own</em> writings—in spite of the fact that heretical works allegedly by Thomas, Mary, Philip, Peter, and many other of Jesus’ disciples have been found.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Credo Clip: What Books Belong in the Bible?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<title>&#8220;If there are Modern Day Prophets, then the Canon is Still Open&#8221; . . . And Other Stupid Statements</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a charismatic.  It is hard for me to describe myself as a traditional cessationist either. I refer to myself as a &#8220;de facto&#8221; cessationist. What does this mean? Essentially, when it comes to the so-called supernatural sign gifts such as gifts of tongues, prophecy, workers of miracles, etc, I have never seen [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a charismatic.  It is hard for me to describe myself as a traditional cessationist either. I refer to myself as a &#8220;de facto&#8221; cessationist. What does this mean? Essentially, when it comes to the so-called supernatural sign gifts such as gifts of tongues, prophecy, workers of miracles, etc, I have never seen anything which would convince me that there are modern day manifestations of these gifts. There certainly could be, I just have not seen them. (I have written about it <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/category/spiritual-gifts/">here</a>.)</p>
<p>Concerning the gift of prophecy (the idea that one can speak on behalf of God in a &#8220;thus-says-the-Lord&#8221; type way), I have never seen this either. I would love to have God speak to me, or better, through me, in such a way, but he never has. I have never heard the voice of God and have never been his spokesperson other than through my interpretation of Scripture. Although, I must admit, I had a strange occurence twenty years ago. I had a drunk I gave a ride to in downtown Oklahoma City tell me that God told him I was going to be a preacher. At that time in my life, it was a joke to think such. It was not enough for me to think much of, and the guy <em>was</em> drunk!</p>
<p>I could not make a very strong argument that God has stopped sending prophets or stopped speaking directy to people. My theology does not demand such. I have simply just never seen one. However, there is an argument out there that more traditional cessationist&#8217;s (those who&#8217;s <em>theology</em> argues that the supernatural sign gifts have ceased in the first century, usually with the death of the last Apostle or the completion of Scripture) make to argue their case. It is an argument that I think is very weak and fails to understand the nature of prophecy and the nature of what constitutes Scripture. It goes like this:</p>
<p><em>If the gift of prophecy is still being given and there are people out there who speak directly on behalf of God, then the canon is still open.</em></p>
<p>What this means is that if God is still speaking in any way, whatever is spoken, by virtue of it being God&#8217;s words, needs to be added to Scripture. Maybe a new book, letter, Psalm, or just a page added to the end of the Bible, this argument insists that a belief in modern day prophecy demands an open canon.</p>
<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>Here is the basic problem I see with such an argument: It misunderstands the nature of prophecy and the nature of the canon.<span id="more-3769"></span></p>
<p><strong>1. Nature of prophecy:</strong> There is no reason to think that prophecy always has corporate or salvific implications. To think that everything that God has ever said is relevant to <em>all</em> people simply cannot be defended. Prophecy can be individualistic. While it is true that the nation of Israel had their prophets that spoke concerning the nation as a whole and the future of the nation and the church has had its Apostles and prophets who spoke on behalf of God concerning the Gospel, the nature of the church, and the consummation of all things, this does not mean this is <em>all</em> prophets speak about. In fact, there are plenty of indications that many of prophets spoke to individuals about rather mundane things such as the location of lost donkeys (<a class="bibleref" title="1 Sam 9:6, 20" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Sam%209.6%2C%2020/">1 Sam 9:6, 20</a>), an adulterous affair (<a class="bibleref" title="2 Sam 12:7" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2%20Sam%2012.7/">2 Sam 12:7</a>), and corporately about issues with no transcendent purpose at all such as acts of God in nature (<a class="bibleref" title="Acts 11:28" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Acts%2011.28/">Acts 11:28</a>). One could argue that these &#8220;non-transcendent&#8221; prophecies were setting the stage for the prophet so he could qualify to speak about more transcendent issues, but this does not seem to be the case. What transcendent issue did Nathan speak about? What about Abigail?</p>
<p>In the end, while prophets were given by God to speak about issues of paramount importance, they were also given to speak about rather non-consequential stuff as well. Therefore, the drunk who told me I was going to be a pastor could certainly qualify even though his &#8220;prophecy&#8221; was of no ground breaking importance.</p>
<p><strong>2. Nature of the canon:</strong> This is related to the first, but involves a slightly different assumption. The supposition here is that the canon of Scripture is made up of everything that has <em>ever</em> been inspired. Here inspiration equals canon. If it is inspired, it should be added to the Scripture.</p>
<p>But why would we ever assume such a proposition. Scripture is not made up of everything that has ever been inspired. There is very good reason to believe that there were a lot of inspired words from God that never made the canon cut. A great example of this is the early years of the prophet Saul. While were are given some background to his story on how he was called to be a prophet, we don&#8217;t know anything about how he was established among the people as a legitimate spokesperson for God. Yet as we follow the narrative in 1 Samuel, we see that Saul considers him an already established prophet due to many prophecies that we don&#8217;t have recorded in Scripture. Notice what Saul says in <a class="bibleref" title="1 Sam 9:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/1%20Sam%209.6/">1 Sam 9:6</a>: &#8220;Behold now, there is a man of God in this city, and the man is held in honor; <em>all that he says surely comes true</em>. Now let us go there, perhaps he can tell us about our journey on which we have set out&#8221; (emphasis mine). We don&#8217;t know all that he said that came true since it is not part of the canon. This is a definite occurrence of God speaking through someone that was not recorded in Scripture. Therefore, the principle &#8220;if it is inspired, it belongs in Scripture&#8221; fails here. We could do the same with many of the Prophets. Look at Nathan. We barely have anything from him. His most famous encounter is when he indicts David for his affair and murder, but are we to suppose that this was his only prophecy? He was already a respected prophet, yet Scripture does not record his prophecies. What about Christ? Everything he said was, by definition, inspired. Yet we obviously don&#8217;t have an exhaustive account of all that he said. In fact, even John says that there were many other miraculous signs that Christ performed which were not written down, letting us know that even signs, wonders, and miracles were not always recorded because of their non-transcendent purpose.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="John 20:30-31" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John%2020.30-31/">John 20:30-31</a><br />
&#8220;Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;<br />
31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, I think that it is evident that not everything that God says belongs in Scripture. The canon of Scripture is made up of everything that God has said that is relevant to all people and, normally, pertains to salvation history.</p>
<p>Again, I am not a charismatic. I have never heard the voice of God. Nor have I seen what I believe to be modern-day prophets. However, I don&#8217;t think that it is wise to attempt to argue for a theology that demands the cessation of God speaking today, especially if the argument&#8217;s main thrust is that if God is still speaking, then the canon is still open. This argument simply does not work and is contrary to the biblical evidence.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Why I Believe the Canon of Scripture is Theoretically Open . . . And Am Fine With It!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term “canon” refers to the accepted books of the Scriptures. The Protestant canon contains 66 books, while other Christian traditions will vary, adding a few books often referred to as the Deuterocanonical books (&#8220;second canon&#8221;) or the &#8220;Apocrypha.&#8221; A commonly accepted understanding among most Christians of all traditions is that the books that belong in the Scripture [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term “canon” refers to the accepted books of the Scriptures. The Protestant canon contains 66 books, while other Christian traditions will vary, adding a few books often referred to as the Deuterocanonical books (&#8220;second canon&#8221;) or the &#8220;Apocrypha.&#8221; A commonly accepted understanding among most Christians of all traditions is that the books that belong in the Scripture cannot be added to. In other words, the canon is “closed.”</p>
<p>While there is a sense in which I believe the canon is closed, there is also a sense in which I don’t believe the canon is closed. Let me explain.</p>
<p>In order to maintain that the canon is closed, most Christians would refer the the first few centuries of the church. In particular councils such as Rome, Hippo, and Carthage, as well as Athanasius’ Easter Letter will be referred to as evidence that the canon of the New Testament had closed. The Old Testament, according to most, was already established and closed by the time of Christ. For this, reference would be made to the New Testament itself, as well as the testimony of Josephus, Philo, and some of the inter-testamental works.</p>
<p>My contention with this assumption is that to say that the canon is “closed” needs to be understood more in an observational way rather than an authoritative pronouncement. The term “closed” might not be the best word since it implies a <em>necessary</em> finality concerning the contents of Scripture. This is something that I don’t believe we can say in the way that we often say it for two primary reasons:</p>
<p>1. <strong>Scripture itself does not limit the canon to 66 books</strong>. No matter how hard you look, one would be hard pressed to find a place that definitely “closes” the canon. <a class="bibleref" title="Revelation 22:18-19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Revelation%2022.18-19/">Revelation 22:18-19</a> is often referred to as evidence:</p>
<blockquote><p><a class="bibleref" title="Revelation 22:18-19" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Revelation%2022.18-19/">Revelation 22:18-19</a>: I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with using this passage is that it is specific to the book of Revelation. Just because the book of Revelation occurs last in our canon does not mean that this warning serves as a book end for the entire Bible. It is meant to communicate a general statement about those who would be tempted to add to or take away from God’s word in general, and to the book of Revelation in specific. Yet the same warning is given in the book of Deuteronomy and the Proverbs:</p>
<blockquote><p><a class="bibleref" title="Deuteronomy 4:2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Deuteronomy%204.2/">Deuteronomy 4:2</a>: You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.</p>
<p><a class="bibleref" title="Proverbs 30:6" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Proverbs%2030.6/">Proverbs 30:6</a>: Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this mean that once Deuteronomy or Proverbs were complete that no one was supposed to add any other books? I don’t know anyone who would make that argument.<span id="more-3759"></span></p>
<p>2. <strong>The canon is self-regulating</strong>. The idea of canon is simply a way of expressing those books that are from God, authoritative, intentional toward a specific purpose and, therefore, part of Scripture. There is no reason to ever “close” it if by close you mean it is not <em>possible</em> for God to add to it. I know that people are simply trying to say that other <em>people</em> cannot add to it, but I think in doing so we have philosophically overstepped our bounds. In other words, we don’t close anything. God simply stops adding to it. We have no right to say God <em>cannot</em> add to it because it is “closed.” This way, <em>God regulates His own revelation</em>.</p>
<p>In short, the argument that I am making is that the canon is closed only to the degree that God is no longer adding to it. But it is not closed in the sense that God <em>cannot</em> add to it were He to make an <em>unforeseen</em> movement in the history of revelation. The primary reason why we have not added anything to the canon in the last two-thousand years is simply because God has not used an authenticated apostle or prophet to speak His word and add to it in two-thousand years. Only in this sense is the canon “closed.”</p>
<p>Now, to be clear, I don’t think that God will ever add anything to the canon and I am not meaning to suggest otherwise. I believe that the Bible’s primary purpose is to communicate the history of redemption and I believe that we have good reason to believe that this history is complete. Listen to the writer of Hebrews:</p>
<blockquote><p><a class="bibleref" title="Hebrews 1:1-2" href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/Hebrews%201.1-2/">Hebrews 1:1-2</a>: Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>“In these last days he has spoken to us by his Son” contrasts the former means of revelation through the “prophets.” It <em>suggests</em> finality. God is no longer speaking to us through a mediator who is unlike Him, but through His genetic equal—His Son! What more do we need? Therefore, I think we are safe believing that God’s revelation is complete, even if we cannot be overly dogmatic about this.</p>
<p>When communicating the doctrine of canonicity, I think this is as far as we can go: It <em>seems</em> that the Scriptures are complete for two reasons: 1) God has not added to it through an authenticated spokes person in two-thousand years, and 2) the purpose of Scripture is completed with the advent of Christ and the communication of the Gospel.</p>
<p>I know that the idea of a theoretically open canon will not sit well with many people, especially Christian apologists who combat Mormonism as well as cessationists who combat modern-day prophets. Yet there is really no issue with either when we realize that Mormonism falls due to its inability to authenticate Joseph Smith as a prophet and its contradiction with previous revelation. Concerning modern-day prophets, I don’t have an issue. I don’t believe that we have seen a prophet since the time of the apostles, but this does not mean that God <em>cannot</em> send one.</p>
<p>In short, God can do whatever He desires. Our theological constructs and definitions of a “closed canon” do not lock Him out of our room. If He wants to add to the canon or speak through a prophet, He can do so. Neither you, I, a church council, or a Pope can put a “do not enter” on the door of revelation.</p>
<p>I don’t mind saying the canon is closed so long as we qualify this. The canon is “closed” to the degree that God is no longer adding to it.</p>
<p>To be fair, this proposition is not <em>quit</em> as provocative as it might seem. While this will irk Roman Catholics who believe that the Church itself closed the canon, Protestants have historically believed that the church simply recognizes the canon, but does not have the authority to close it.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Why I Believe the Canon is Fallible . . . And am Fine with It!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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<p>I am looking on page 23 of my Bible and it has the list of books. The books all together number 66&#8212;39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament. This is often referred to as the &#8220;canon&#8221; of Scripture. &#8220;Canon&#8221; (Gk. <em>kanon</em>) means &#8220;rule&#8221; or &#8220;measuring rod.&#8221; The canon of Scripture is the collection or a &#8220;rule&#8221; of books that Christians believe belong in the Bible. There are some variations among Christian traditions concerning the number of books. The Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches all use different canons (as well, some eastern churches will vary still). The Catholic and Orthodox include a group of books in their Bibles referred to as the Deuterocanonical books (&#8220;second canon&#8221;) or, as Protestants would call it, the &#8220;Apocrypha&#8221; (although the Orthodox church is not quite as settled upon the status of the Apocrypha).</p>
<p>The question <em>How do you know what books belong in the Bible?</em> is a significant one indeed. The Catholics and Orthodox will normally refer to the establishment of these books as part of the canon by fourth century councils. Catholics would further refer to the teachings of the council of Trent (1545-1563) which dogmatically and <em>infallibly</em> declared the current Catholic canon (including the Apocrypha) as being authoritative.</p>
<p>I believe that the 66 books of the Protestant canon belong in the Bible, no more no less. I believe that all 66 books are inspired, inerrant, and infallible. Yet the list on page 23 of my Bible is not part of the canon. In other words, the list itself is not part of the inspired word of God. I am using the <em>English Standard Version</em>, but it is the same in any version of any language. The <em>NET Bible</em> does not have an inspired list, even in the footnotes! There is no early Greek or Hebrew manuscript that solves the problem either. Therefore I have a potential difficulty. Since do not believe in an infallible human authority that can determine what books belong in the Bible, how can I be certain what books belong in the Bible?<img title="More..." src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" /></p>
<p>It was R.C. Sproul who first made the claim that Protestants have a fallible canon of infallible books. <em>A fallible canon of infallible books? What good is that?</em> Catholics often jest about the seemingly ironic situation in which advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> find themselves. The doctrine of <em>sola Scripture</em> was one of the two <em>primary </em>battle cries of the Reformation in the sixteenth century. Essentially it means that the Scripture is the ultimate and only infallible authority for the body of Christ in matters of Christian faith and practice. Professing this doctrine does not mean that there are no other authorities, but that there are no other <em>ultimate</em> and <em>infallible</em> authorities. Catholics on the other hand will claim that they, due to their belief in a living infallible authority, have an infallible collection of infallible books.</p>
<p>Not only this, but what about interpretation? Not only do Protestants not believe in an infallible authority to dogmatize which books belong in the Bible, but they don&#8217;t believe in an infallible authority to <em>interpret</em> the Bible. Therefore, we can take this to the next level. Protestants have a fallible interpretation of an fallible canon of infallible books. Ouch! Sounds like it is time to convert to Catholicism, eh?</p>
<p>Not so fast. In the end, this is an issue of epistemology. Epistemology deals with the question &#8220;How do you know?&#8221; How do we know the canon is correct? How do we know we have the right interpretation? Assumed within these questions is the idea of certainty. How do you know <em>with certainty</em>? Not only this, but how do you know with <em>absolute</em> certainty?</p>
<p>The question that I would ask is this: Do we need <em>absolute infallible certainty</em> about something to 1) be justified in our belief about that something, 2) to be held responsible for a belief in that something. I would answer &#8220;no&#8221; for two primary reasons:</p>
<p>1. This supposed need for <em>absolute</em> certainty is primarily the product of the enlightenment and a Cartesian epistemology. To say that we have to be infallibly certain about something before it can be believed and acted upon is setting the standard so high that only God Himself could attain to it. Outside of mathematics and analytical statements (e.g. a triangle had three sides), there is no absolute certainty, only relative certainty. This does not, however, give anyone an excuse or alleviate responsibility for belief in something.<span id="more-3727"></span></p>
<p>For example, I believe that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. I prepare each day with this belief in mind. Each night, I set my alarm clock and review my appointments for the following day, having a certain expectation that the next day will truly come. While I have certainty about the sun rising the next day, I don&#8217;t have <em>infallible</em> certainty that it will. There could be some astronomical anomaly that causes the earth to stop its rotation. There could be an asteroid that comes and destroys the earth. Christ could come in the middle of the night. In short, I don&#8217;t have absolute infallible certainty about the coming of the next day. This, however, does not give me an excuse before men or God for not believing that it will come. What if I missed an early appointment the next day and told the person &#8220;I am sorry, I did not set my alarm clock because I did not have infallible certainty that this day would come.&#8221; Would that be a valid excuse? It would neither be a valid excuse to the person who I was supposed to meet <em>or to God</em>.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/whataboutbob.jpg" alt="" align="left" />We have a term that we use for people who require infallible certainty about everything: &#8220;mentally ill.&#8221; Remember <em>What About Bob</em>? He was mentally ill because he made decisions based on the improbability factor. Because it was a possibility that something bad could happen to him if he stepped outside his house, he assumed it would happen. There are degrees of probability. We act according to degrees of probability. Simply because it is a <em>possibility</em> that the sun will not rise tomorrow does not mean that it is a <em>probability</em> that it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The same can be said about the canon and interpretation of Scripture. Just because there is a possibility that we are wrong (being fallible), does not mean that it is a probability. Therefore, we look to the evidence for the degree of probability concerning Scripture.</p>
<p>2. The smoke screen of epistemological certainty that seems to be provided by having a living infallible authority (Magisterium) disappears when we realize that we <em>all </em>start with fallibility. No one would claim personal infallibility. Therefore it is possible for all of us to be wrong. We all have to start with personal fallible engagement in any issue. Therefore, any belief in an infallible living authority could be wrong. As Geisler and MacKenzie put it, &#8220;The supposed need for an infallible magisterium is an epistemically insufficient basis for rising above the level of probable knowledge. Catholic scholars admit, as they must, that they do not have infallible evidence that there is an infallible teaching magisterium. They have merely what even they believe to be only probable arguments. But if this is the case, then epistemically or apologetically there is no more than a probable basis for Catholics to believe that a supposedly infallible pronouncement [either about the canon or interpretation of the canon] of their church is true&#8221; (<em>Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences</em>, p. 216).</p>
<p>This means that we are all floating the same river, just different boats. Catholics have a fallible belief about an infallible authority; Protestants have a fallible belief about an infallible authority. Both authorities must be substantiated by the evidence and both authorities must be interpreted by fallible people.</p>
<p>This is the question that I have: In the end, what is the difference?</p>
<p>Do we have a fallible collection of infallible books? Yes, I believe we do. When all is said and done, all of our beliefs are fallible and therefore subject to error. I am comfortable with this. But remember, the <em>possibility</em> of error does not necessitate the <em>probability</em> of error. We have to appeal to the evidence to decide.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>In Defense of Sola Scriptura &#8211; Part Eight(b) &#8211; What about all the divisions?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[3. Division is not always a bad thing I am a Calvinist, others are Arminian. I believe in a premillenial eschatology, others are amillinial. I am a traducianist with regards to the creation of the soul, others are creationists. I believe in inerrancy, others believe that this is an archaic naive doctrine. There are many [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>3. Division is not always a bad thing</strong></p>
<p>I am a Calvinist, others are Arminian. I believe in a premillenial eschatology, others are amillinial. I am a traducianist with regards to the creation of the soul, others are creationists. I believe in inerrancy, others believe that this is an archaic naive doctrine. There are many points of doctrinal division that I am going to have with people, some of which are much more important than others.</p>
<p>Why doesn’t everyone agree with me? Who is causing this disunity in the body of Christ, them or me? Do these division demonstrate the doctrinal bankruptcy of <em>sola Scriptura</em>? Should we elect of a Pope of Protestantism?</p>
<p>There are a few different ways that I <em>could</em> answer this.</p>
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<li>Others don’t agree with me because they have not studied <em>deep</em> enough (lack of scholarship).</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because they have not studied <em>broad </em>enough (lack of perspective).</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because they have not studied <em>long</em> enough (lack of wisdom).</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because their traditional prejudices have created a learning disability that keeps them from the truth (lack of freedom of thought).</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because they have sin in their life that is blinding them to the truth (lack of holiness).</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because we don’t have an infallible authoritative interpreter of Scripture that would bring doctrinal unity?</li>
<li>Others don’t agree with me because they are not Christian. If they were, well . . . they would agree with me! (lack of salvation).</li>
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<p>Generally speaking, I do not default to these possibilities. Don’t get me wrong, these <em>are</em> all possibilities. It could be that people deny the truth (assuming that my position is such) due to ignorance, lack of perspective or wisdom, traditional bindings, sin, lack of authority, or a presupposition of godlessness. But I think we need to be careful about any negative prejudgments about people motives and the ultimate reasons for disagreements.</p>
<p>Here are the considerations that I would <em>aspire</em> to make before I draw upon the former possibilities.</p>
<p><strong>Others don’t agree with me because they are right and I am wrong.</strong></p>
<p>Granted, I <em>am </em>convicted I am right. If this were not the case I would simply change my position. But the possibility always exists that I am the one who is in error, being misinformed, motivated by false pre-understandings, traditionally bound, or lacking perspective. I must consider this with great humility, as hard as it is to do.</p>
<p>There are some things that I am more sure of than others. For example, I am less likely to be wrong about the existence of God than I am about the doctrine of inerrancy. It is much more plausible that there is an error in the Scriptures than it is that God does not exist. As well, I am humbled by the fact that there are many things that I used to believe that I no longer believe. I held to these former beliefs with (what seems to be) just as much conviction as many of the beliefs that I hold to now. What do I do with that? In most of those cases, the evidence, or lack there-of, militated against my previous doctrinal commitments forcing me to make hard adjustments. For example, I used to believe that if someone did not accept the doctrine of inerrancy, they were not Christian. This was due to my fundamentalist presuppositions no doubt, but when faced with the evidence that there are many people out there who do not hold to inerrancy, yet loved and trusted the same Christ as me, my position had to either change or slumber in the bedroom of naivety. I still have those decisions to make. It is called learning.</p>
<p>What I must realize is this: <em>there is not one belief that I hold to which is protected by infallibility</em>. Infallibility is the other side of the coin of absolute certainty. Absolute certainty can only be held by those who have all the information and are interpreting it correctly. To be infallible means that you <em>cannot</em> fail. Since I am not infallible, by definition, I can fail. <em>All</em> of my beliefs are subject to my attribute of fallibility. There is no one who possesses infallibility. Even Roman Catholics, as we have said, who try to alleviate themselves of this reality by trusting in the dictates of an infallible magisterial authority such as the Pope inevitably face the same problem since their own trust in the infallible authority of the Pope is fallible. The same holds true for Evangelicals and our infallible Bible. Our belief in the Bible is fallible, even if the Bible itself is not. No one can escape their own fallibility. Therefore we all <em>could</em> be wrong. We are left to rely on a process of examining and weighting the evidence and following it <em>wherever</em> it leads. This will often cause us to change our beliefs.</p>
<p>Therefore, serious consideration must always be made of the proposition that people don’t agree with me because I am the one who is wrong.</p>
<p><strong>Others don’t agree with me because God does not want us to agree, irrespective of who is right.</strong></p>
<p>This may sound odd, but we must consider it. I said earlier that I was a Calvinist. While this does not give me exclusive right to the doctrine of God’s sovereignty, it does require me to consider what part it might play in the question <em>Why doesn’t everyone agree with me?</em> What I am <em>really</em> asking is this: Why isn’t everyone unified around the truth?</p>
<p>I believe that it is a real possibility—even likely—that God does not want absolute doctrinal unity. In fact, practically speaking, I think it would do more harm than good. I believe that doctrinal disagreements are healthy for the church. When there is conflict between opposing options, the issue at hand is understood at a more profound level than is possible in the absence of the conflict. Conflict, in the end, can bring about a deeper conviction of the truth. When there is no conflict, there is no iron sharpening iron.</p>
<p>I am not in any sense trying to relativize the truth, but to help us to understand that wrong beliefs, <em>even our own</em>, could be serving the purpose of God and bringing Him more honor than we recognize. It is often said that heresy is God’s gift to the church. Why? Because when a false option is presented the truth becomes much clearer. In contrast there is clarity. In clarity there is conviction.</p>
<p>It is for this reason that we must be continually engaged with alternative options. As hard as it is to engage in beliefs that go against our present convictions, we need to recognize the value of the struggle. Herein lies what I believe to be one of the greatest strengths of the Protestant doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em>—it presents the opportunity to wrestle with the issues at a level that is not allowed for in magisterial based traditions.</p>
<p>What I am saying is this: it may actually be God’s sovereignty that brings about division over the doctrine of God’s sovereignty! This does not mean that wrong belief is always justified. Neither does it mean that we need to be content with agnosticism or lessen our conviction about any doctrinal issue. To the contrary. It means that we engage in it more vigorously than we did before, being confident that God has a dignifying reason for conflict resulting from diversity.</p>
<p>We have learned to celebrate diversity in every area of life. We celebrate the diversity of the sexes. Men: We know that we are always right, but can you imagine a world where women did not contribute to a balanced perspective? That is horrifying. Women, can you imagine the opposite (don’t answer that!). Think of the diversity among personalities, nations, political parties, age groups, and cultures. While we may believe that our opinion is correct (and it may be), from a certain perspective we can appreciate the allowance for a dissension in values, beliefs, and practices. Understanding diversity can often cause us to see that the answer to many issues is going to be more of a both/and rather than an either/or. We could both be right and we could both be wrong.</p>
<p>In the end, if God is in control then the answer to my question is relatively simple. Why doesn’t everyone agree with me? Because it is not God’s will for them to. It is to His glory. Why? His will is better accomplished through diversity. In this I think we can learn to celebrate diversity without yielding to the postmodern matrix of relativism or apathy.</p>
<p>Advocates of sola Scriptura appreciate disagreements, but we also need to be careful about making the division created by such too wide.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fifth argument against sola Scriptura: Without the infallible authority of the Church, the Church would be hopelessly divided on matters of doctrine and morals. This would not be the Church that Christ started. The idea here is that when doctrine is left to the “private interpretation” of the individual, this leads to doctrinal anarchy. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fifth argument against <em>sola Scriptura</em>:</p>
<p><strong>Without the infallible authority of the Church, the Church would be hopelessly divided on matters of doctrine and morals. This would not be the Church that Christ started.</strong></p>
<p>The idea here is that when doctrine is left to the “private interpretation” of the individual, this leads to doctrinal anarchy. Catholics and Orthodox alike often appeal to the thousands of Protestant denominations as a witness against the doctrine <em>sola Scriptura</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p>There are a few problems that I see with this argument. I will deal with the first to in brief and spend more time on the last one in the post that follows.</p>
<p><strong>Problem 1: We don’t advocate “private interpretation”</strong></p>
<p>This argument often assumes that <em>sola Scriptura</em> promotes an unbridled “private interpretation” that gives no authority to tradition. This is not the confession of <em>sola Scriptura</em>, but of <em>nuda Scriptura, </em>which I have spoken about previously. Advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> do not believe in this sort of private interpretation. We must interpret the Scriptures along with those who have gone before us, even if we might have warrant to question or disagree with their theology from time to time. Those who read the Scripture, as Alexander Campbell once advocated, “As if no one has read them before” are not following in the tradition of the Reformed view of <em>sola Scriptura</em>. Those must be judged on their own merit without association to the doctrine of <em>sola Scriptura</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Problem 2: Everyone has divisions</strong>.</p>
<p>Protestants disagree about what the Scriptures say, Catholics disagree about what the Church says, and (as the saying goes) the Orthodox don’t say enough to disagree! Simply because one is put under a more definite designative umbrella does not make true unity. I, for example, have witnessed just as many disagreements among Catholics about what the Church means by “outside the Church there is no salvation” as I have among Protestants about <em>any</em> issue. All one has to do is to go spend some time on the <a href="http://forums.catholic.com/">Catholic Answers forum</a> and see that they don’t function with much more unity than a Protestant forum. There would seem to be just as many disagreements, differing interpretations, and needless anathmatizing among Catholics as among Protestaants. The point is that simply because one functions under a unified <em>name</em> or <em>confession</em> does not mean that you have a unified <em>belief</em>.</p>
<p>It is agreed, however, that Protestants tend to have more divisions, but I would not say that this is the case with Evangelicals to the same degree as other Protestant traditions.</p>
<p><em>See </em><a href="http://www.ntrmin.org/30000denominations.htm"><em>this article</em></a><em> for more on the overstatement of Protestant divisions.</em></p>
<p><strong>Problem 3: Division is not always a bad thing</strong></p>
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		<title>In Defense of Sola Scriptura &#8211; Part Seven &#8211; What About the Canon?</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The next argument against sola Scriptura: Without the infallible declaration of the Church, there would be no way of knowing what books belong in the canon of Scripture. Since there is no inspired canon of Scripture, the “Scripture alone” is not even enough to establish what Scriptures are truly Scripture. Therefore, the doctrine of sola [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next argument against <em>sola Scriptura</em>:</p>
<p><strong>Without the infallible declaration of the Church, there would be no way of knowing what books belong in the canon of Scripture. Since there is no inspired canon of Scripture, the “Scripture alone” is not even enough to establish what Scriptures are truly Scripture. Therefore, the doctrine of sola Scriptura is self-defeating.</strong></p>
<p>This is true. I am looking on page 23 of my Bible and it has the list of books. The books all together number 66, 39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament. This is often referred to as the “canon” of Scripture. “Canon” (Gk. <em>kanon</em>) means “rule” or “measuring rod.” The canon of Scripture is the collection or a “rule” of books that Christians believe belong in the Bible. There are some variations among Christian traditions concerning the number of books. The Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches all use different canons (as well, some eastern churches will vary still). The Catholic and Orthodox include a group of books in their Bibles referred to as the Deuterocanonical books (”second canon”) or, as Protestants would call it, the “Apocrypha” (although the Orthodox church is not quite as settled upon the status of the Apocrypha).</p>
<p>The question <em>How do you know what books belong in the Bible?</em> is a significant one indeed and presents, what I believe to be, the most persuasive argument against <em>sola Scriptura</em> that there is. The Catholics and Orthodox will normally refer to the establishment of these books as part of the canon by fourth century councils. Catholics would further refer to the teachings of the council of Trent (1545-1563) which dogmatically and <em>infallibly</em> declared the current Catholic canon (including the Apocrypha) as being authoritative.</p>
<p>I believe that the 66 books of the Protestant canon belong in the Bible, no more no less. I believe that all 66 books are inspired, inerrant, and infallible. Yet the list on page 23 of my Bible is not part of the canon. In other words, the list itself is not part of the inspired word of God. I am using the <em>New American Standard Bible</em>, but it is the same in any version of any language. Even the <em>NET Bible</em> does not have an inspired list—even in the footnotes! There is no early Greek or Hebrew manuscript that solves the problem either. Therefore I have a potential difficulty. Since do not believe in an infallible human authority that has determined what books belong in the Bible, how can I be certain what books belong in the Bible and still profess <em>sola Scriptura</em>?</p>
<p><strong>It would seem that the Scripture alone is not sufficient to establish the Scripture alone!! Do we have an fallible canon of infallible books?</strong></p>
<p>It was R.C. Sproul who first made the claim that Protestants have a fallible canon of infallible books. <em>A fallible canon of infallible books? What good is that?</em> Catholics often jest about the seemingly ironic situation in which advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> find themselves. Catholics claim that they, due to their belief in a living infallible authority, have an infallible collection of infallible books, and that we are just borrowing from them!</p>
<p>Not only this (as an aside), but what about interpretation? Not only do Protestants not believe in an infallible authority to dogmatize which books belong in the Bible, but they don’t believe in an infallible authority to <em>interpret</em> the Bible. Therefore, we can take this to the next level. <strong>Protestants have a fallible interpretation of an fallible canon of infallible books.</strong> Ouch! Sounds like it is time to convert to Catholicism, eh?</p>
<p>Not so fast. In the end, this is an issue of epistemology. Epistemology deals with the question “How do you know?” How do we know the canon is correct? How do we know we have the right interpretation? Assumed within these questions is the idea of certainty. How do you know <em>with certainty</em>? Not only this, but how do you know with <em>absolute</em> certainty?</p>
<p>The question that I would ask is this: Do we need <em>absolute infallible certainty</em> about something to 1) be justified in our belief about that something, 2) to be held responsible for a belief in that something. I would answer “no” for two primary reasons:</p>
<p>1. This supposed need for <em>absolute</em> certainty is primarily the product of the enlightenment and a Cartesian epistemology. To say that we have to be infallibly certain about something before it can be believed and acted upon is setting the standard so high that only God Himself could attain to it. Outside of mathematics and analytical statements (e.g. a triangle had three sides), there is no absolute certainty, only relative certainty. This does not, however, give anyone an excuse or alleviate responsibility for belief in something.</p>
<p>For example, I believe that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. I prepare each day with this belief in mind. Each night, I set my alarm clock and review my appointments for the following day, having a certain expectation that the next day will truly come. While I have certainty about the sun rising the next day, I don’t have <em>infallible</em> certainty that it will. There could be some astronomical anomaly that causes the earth to stop its rotation. There could be an asteroid that comes and destroys the earth. Christ could come in the middle of the night. In short, I don’t have <em>absolute infallible</em> certainty about the coming of the next day. This, however, does not give me an excuse before men or God for not believing that it will come. What if I missed an early appointment the next day and told the person “I am sorry, I did not set my alarm clock because I did not have <em>infallible</em> certainty that this day would come.” Would that be a valid excuse? It would neither be a valid excuse to the person who I was supposed to meet <em>or to God</em>.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/MichaelPatton/whataboutbob.jpg" alt="" align="left" />We have a term that we use for people who require infallible certainty about everything: “mentally ill.” Remember <em>What About Bob</em>? He was mentally ill because he made decisions based on the improbability factor. Because it was a possibility that something bad could happen to him if he stepped outside his house, he assumed it would happen. There are degrees of probability. We act according to degrees of probability. Simply because it is a <em>possibility</em> that the sun will not rise tomorrow does not mean that it is a <em>probability</em> that it won’t.</p>
<p>The same can be said about the canon and interpretation of Scripture. Just because there is a possibility that we are wrong (being fallible), does not mean that it is a probability. Therefore, we look to the evidence for the degree of probability concerning Scripture.</p>
<p>2. The smoke screen of epistemological certainty that seems to be provided by having a living infallible authority (Magisterium) disappears when we realize that we <em>all </em>start with fallibility. No one would claim personal infallibility. Therefore it is possible for all of us to be wrong. We all have to start with personal fallible engagement in any issue. Therefore, any belief in an infallible living authority could be wrong. As Geisler and MacKenzie put it, “The supposed need for an infallible magisterium is an epistemically insufficient basis for rising above the level of probable knowledge. Catholic scholars admit, as they must, that they do not have infallible evidence that there is an infallible teaching magisterium. They have merely what even they believe to be only probable arguments. But if this is the case, then epistemically or apologetically there is no more than a probable basis for Catholics to believe that a supposedly infallible pronouncement [either about the canon or interpretation of the canon] of their church is true” (<em>Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences</em>, p. 216).</p>
<p>Here is a graph to illustrate what I mean:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/images/Parchment%20and%20Pen/sola-scriptura/sola-scriptura-vs-dual-source-infallibility.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>This means that we are all floating in the same river, just different boats. Catholics (Dual-Source Theory) have a fallible belief about an infallible authority; Advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> have a fallible belief about an infallible authority. Both authorities must be substantiated by the evidence and both authorities must be interpreted by fallible people. In the end, what is the difference? Advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> just cut out the <em>infallible</em> middle man.</p>
<p>Do advocates of <em>sola Scriptura</em> have a fallible collection of infallible books? Yes. We concede such. When all is said and done, all of our beliefs are fallible and therefore subject to error. But remember, <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/06/13/the-sufficiency-of-probability/">the <em>possibility</em> of error does not necessitate the <em>probability</em> of error</a>. We have to appeal to the evidence to decide. God would [probably] accept nothing less. <img class="wp-smiley" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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