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	<title>Comments on: 16 Considerations About Entering the Ministry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17206</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ola, hopefully I will have it posted by tomorrow night.  But I do think you might have a misconception about seminary and hiring practices.  Your comment suggests that churches hire seminary grads without any type of interview process or might even get contract seminary grads off of a web-site.  First, I&#039;d say that any church that does this is probably one to be avoided.  Second, I think you&#039;d find that the hiring process for a vocational ministry position is quite rigorous and involves multiple players.   I can&#039;t even imagine that the hiring practices are as you describe.

Second, you indicate that there is nothing explicit in Scripture about going to seminary and therefore it is not a requirement.  This statement overlooks the fact that there weren&#039;t any seminaries then nor did there need to be since the early church was receiving the Christian message straight from the apostles.  It is also imposing a 21st century understanding and need unto a 1st century context, that moreover points to the benefits that formalized training can provide to help bridge this gap.  But I will be talking more about that in my upcoming post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ola, hopefully I will have it posted by tomorrow night.  But I do think you might have a misconception about seminary and hiring practices.  Your comment suggests that churches hire seminary grads without any type of interview process or might even get contract seminary grads off of a web-site.  First, I&#8217;d say that any church that does this is probably one to be avoided.  Second, I think you&#8217;d find that the hiring process for a vocational ministry position is quite rigorous and involves multiple players.   I can&#8217;t even imagine that the hiring practices are as you describe.</p>
<p>Second, you indicate that there is nothing explicit in Scripture about going to seminary and therefore it is not a requirement.  This statement overlooks the fact that there weren&#8217;t any seminaries then nor did there need to be since the early church was receiving the Christian message straight from the apostles.  It is also imposing a 21st century understanding and need unto a 1st century context, that moreover points to the benefits that formalized training can provide to help bridge this gap.  But I will be talking more about that in my upcoming post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ola B</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17205</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love to see an answer, Lisa!</description>
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		<title>By: Ola B</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17204</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your openness.

I wonder about seminary, and the things that seem to necessarily accompany it...such as being hired by churches sight unseen.

Seems to me that churches should be raising, educating, discipling and mentoring their own leaders and shepherds not hiring potential hirelings from a website or hiring committee.

Does it HAVE to be that way?  Theoretically no...

But I&#039;m a minister sans a Master&#039;s degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your openness.</p>
<p>I wonder about seminary, and the things that seem to necessarily accompany it&#8230;such as being hired by churches sight unseen.</p>
<p>Seems to me that churches should be raising, educating, discipling and mentoring their own leaders and shepherds not hiring potential hirelings from a website or hiring committee.</p>
<p>Does it HAVE to be that way?  Theoretically no&#8230;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m a minister sans a Master&#8217;s degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17203</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay tuned guys.  I&#039;m actually working on a post that I think will address Ola&#039;s question...hopefully :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay tuned guys.  I&#8217;m actually working on a post that I think will address Ola&#8217;s question&#8230;hopefully <img src='http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cheryl u</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17202</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMP,

&quot;As a side not, I cannot find any Scripture that says that a 3 year old cannot be a leader of a local church. However, there is the wise application of principles with a healthy dose of common sense that would require the denial of such a leader. &quot;


Seems to me the qualifications for an elder given in I Timothy 3 would very effectively eliminate all three year olds!!

(Don&#039;t know how to do a smiley face or there would be one here!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMP,</p>
<p>&#8220;As a side not, I cannot find any Scripture that says that a 3 year old cannot be a leader of a local church. However, there is the wise application of principles with a healthy dose of common sense that would require the denial of such a leader. &#8221;</p>
<p>Seems to me the qualifications for an elder given in I Timothy 3 would very effectively eliminate all three year olds!!</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t know how to do a smiley face or there would be one here!)</p>
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		<title>By: C Michael Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17201</link>
		<dc:creator>C Michael Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ola,

Good question. I don&#039;t have any particular Scripture that says &quot;you must go to seminary.&quot; After all, seminaries did not exist at the time, so it would be somewhat irrelavant for the Scripture to say such. The encouragment to seminary is based on our own particular cultural situation in which we find ourselves and applies the very serious and clear principle that those in any type of teaching ministry better watch there teaching very closely and know what they are talking about. This requires training. Seminary training is the best way to accomplish this where you are taking your education seriously and there is opportunity for your mentors to have authority to say &quot;You fail.&quot; Otherwise, any type of personal or subjective training, anyone can pass because they are their own judge. Seminary, in this sense, while not perfect, is certianly a gift of God.

As a side not, I cannot find any Scripture that says that a 3 year old cannot be a leader of a local church. However, there is the wise application of principles with a healthy dose of common sense that would require the denial of such a leader.

Hope that makes sense. I am certianly open to your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ola,</p>
<p>Good question. I don&#8217;t have any particular Scripture that says &#8220;you must go to seminary.&#8221; After all, seminaries did not exist at the time, so it would be somewhat irrelavant for the Scripture to say such. The encouragment to seminary is based on our own particular cultural situation in which we find ourselves and applies the very serious and clear principle that those in any type of teaching ministry better watch there teaching very closely and know what they are talking about. This requires training. Seminary training is the best way to accomplish this where you are taking your education seriously and there is opportunity for your mentors to have authority to say &#8220;You fail.&#8221; Otherwise, any type of personal or subjective training, anyone can pass because they are their own judge. Seminary, in this sense, while not perfect, is certianly a gift of God.</p>
<p>As a side not, I cannot find any Scripture that says that a 3 year old cannot be a leader of a local church. However, there is the wise application of principles with a healthy dose of common sense that would require the denial of such a leader.</p>
<p>Hope that makes sense. I am certianly open to your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ola B</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have scriptural basis for your &quot;need-a-master&#039;s-degree-to-be-a-minister&quot;?

Anything even close?

I&#039;m sure such a degree will help you come up with something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have scriptural basis for your &#8220;need-a-master&#8217;s-degree-to-be-a-minister&#8221;?</p>
<p>Anything even close?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure such a degree will help you come up with something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W.</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17199</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt Parton says:

&quot;I’ve been blessed to be a part of churches that have in-house, church-based pastoral education programs. Yes, these can be done very poorly, but they can also be done extremely well, with even some advantages over traditional seminaries.&quot;

I see this more as the &quot;ideal&quot; training program because it takes place within the context of the local church, however it is not always possible because of a lack of resources (people, expertise, material, etc.) I think ministry training should take place, as much as possible, within the context of the biblical community. Seminary environments tend to be too specialized and unique from normal ministry environments. Seminary students have to be proactive to put themselves in ministry situations outside of seminary and this just tends not to happen very much. Additionally, the role of accountability (both on a personal and vocational level) tends to be missing at seminaries whereas it is much more likely to be present in a local church environment.

This is not to say that I think seminaries are bad. Seminaries are still very good institutions and allow for a centralized concentration of expertise, teaching and ministry development that most local churches can never hope to obtain. However, I think greater connection to or interaction with local churches is needed to ensure the students are equipped adequately for the people they will minister to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt Parton says:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve been blessed to be a part of churches that have in-house, church-based pastoral education programs. Yes, these can be done very poorly, but they can also be done extremely well, with even some advantages over traditional seminaries.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see this more as the &#8220;ideal&#8221; training program because it takes place within the context of the local church, however it is not always possible because of a lack of resources (people, expertise, material, etc.) I think ministry training should take place, as much as possible, within the context of the biblical community. Seminary environments tend to be too specialized and unique from normal ministry environments. Seminary students have to be proactive to put themselves in ministry situations outside of seminary and this just tends not to happen very much. Additionally, the role of accountability (both on a personal and vocational level) tends to be missing at seminaries whereas it is much more likely to be present in a local church environment.</p>
<p>This is not to say that I think seminaries are bad. Seminaries are still very good institutions and allow for a centralized concentration of expertise, teaching and ministry development that most local churches can never hope to obtain. However, I think greater connection to or interaction with local churches is needed to ensure the students are equipped adequately for the people they will minister to.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/16-considerations-about-entering-the-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-17198</link>
		<dc:creator>Vijay Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The No 1 of thought has been left out…

Ministry is about being called by God and not just about wanting to do something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The No 1 of thought has been left out…</p>
<p>Ministry is about being called by God and not just about wanting to do something.</p>
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