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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, I emphasize with your situation.  I hope that you have not taken any of what I&#039;ve written to construe that the draw of an earthly relationship is sex or to fulfill lustly passions.  If you examine Ephesians 5, Paul likens the relationship of husband and wife to Christ and the church.  It is the highest form of intimate earthly relationship as identified by the two becoming one.  That is not simply regulated to the physical, but to the totality of the relationship - emotionally, intellectually, spiritually.  I think that&#039;s why its also the most challenged of earthly relationships for that reason.

Also, when the term husband is used in relation to who God is to his people, it is in the context of covenant infractions and also promises (such as the passage you posted). He never identifies with being a surrogate spouse to individuals but promises to be a protector and provider to Israel, as a covenant people.  

Yes, dependency on God is crucial and we do need to be content in whatever state we find ourselves.  If you read carefully what I&#039;ve written in paragraphs 4 and 5, you&#039;ll see that fulfillment in our heavenly relationship cannot be replaced by an earthly relationship and God ultimately fulfills where others can&#039;t.  We must look to him to do so.  But that does not make him a substitute for a spouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, I emphasize with your situation.  I hope that you have not taken any of what I&#8217;ve written to construe that the draw of an earthly relationship is sex or to fulfill lustly passions.  If you examine Ephesians 5, Paul likens the relationship of husband and wife to Christ and the church.  It is the highest form of intimate earthly relationship as identified by the two becoming one.  That is not simply regulated to the physical, but to the totality of the relationship &#8211; emotionally, intellectually, spiritually.  I think that&#8217;s why its also the most challenged of earthly relationships for that reason.</p>
<p>Also, when the term husband is used in relation to who God is to his people, it is in the context of covenant infractions and also promises (such as the passage you posted). He never identifies with being a surrogate spouse to individuals but promises to be a protector and provider to Israel, as a covenant people.  </p>
<p>Yes, dependency on God is crucial and we do need to be content in whatever state we find ourselves.  If you read carefully what I&#8217;ve written in paragraphs 4 and 5, you&#8217;ll see that fulfillment in our heavenly relationship cannot be replaced by an earthly relationship and God ultimately fulfills where others can&#8217;t.  We must look to him to do so.  But that does not make him a substitute for a spouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/06/god-as-my-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-23388</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa,

I came across the following when I was in the throws of a really bad relationship coming to an end w/my earthly &quot;husband&quot;:

&quot;Isaiah 54:5-7 (King James Version)

 5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

 6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

 7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.&quot;

So therefore, I look to him as a Husband..One who loves me and will take care of me, provide for me and protect me..everything a husband is supposed to do for you.  It really fit at the time, because my earthly &quot;husband&quot; was rejecting me for other women.  Yes, I, too,  still have those carnal, fleshly lusts for that type of physical intimacy than an earthly husband can fulfill, but I know that it is a lust of the flesh and that if we walk in the Spirit, we won&#039;t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.  To seek out a man to marry just to fulfill that yearning is to make a provision for the lust of the flesh which is the wrong motivation for marriage and God cannot bless that...as I found out the hard way!    

More inspiration comes from:
&quot;Galations 5: 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, ...&quot;

I stopped here to point out that the TOP two works of the flesh are Adultery and fornication...both, although they could be also be considered spiritual sins, are most commonly thought of as sexual sins.  The physical body has to be put in its place!  We are made, as is pointed out in 1Thesselonians 5:23, as Spirit, Soul, and THEN Body!

So, I leave you with this blessing as my prayer:
&quot;1 Thessalonians 5:23 -Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa,</p>
<p>I came across the following when I was in the throws of a really bad relationship coming to an end w/my earthly &#8220;husband&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Isaiah 54:5-7 (King James Version)</p>
<p> 5For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.</p>
<p> 6For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.</p>
<p> 7For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.&#8221;</p>
<p>So therefore, I look to him as a Husband..One who loves me and will take care of me, provide for me and protect me..everything a husband is supposed to do for you.  It really fit at the time, because my earthly &#8220;husband&#8221; was rejecting me for other women.  Yes, I, too,  still have those carnal, fleshly lusts for that type of physical intimacy than an earthly husband can fulfill, but I know that it is a lust of the flesh and that if we walk in the Spirit, we won&#8217;t fulfill the lusts of the flesh.  To seek out a man to marry just to fulfill that yearning is to make a provision for the lust of the flesh which is the wrong motivation for marriage and God cannot bless that&#8230;as I found out the hard way!    </p>
<p>More inspiration comes from:<br />
&#8220;Galations 5: 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.</p>
<p> 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.</p>
<p> 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.</p>
<p> 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I stopped here to point out that the TOP two works of the flesh are Adultery and fornication&#8230;both, although they could be also be considered spiritual sins, are most commonly thought of as sexual sins.  The physical body has to be put in its place!  We are made, as is pointed out in 1Thesselonians 5:23, as Spirit, Soul, and THEN Body!</p>
<p>So, I leave you with this blessing as my prayer:<br />
&#8220;1 Thessalonians 5:23 -Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/06/god-as-my-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-23267</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I believe that we cannot have an intimate relationship with a man unless we have an intimate relationship with God.&quot;

I wholeheartedly agree and nothing I&#039;ve written suggests that this should not be the case.  Having a unique earthly relationship does not and should not preclude intimacy in our relationship with God.  That is first, above all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe that we cannot have an intimate relationship with a man unless we have an intimate relationship with God.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree and nothing I&#8217;ve written suggests that this should not be the case.  Having a unique earthly relationship does not and should not preclude intimacy in our relationship with God.  That is first, above all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I feel this is a helpful and informative blog, I think you are wrong when you say &quot;there is also an intimacy shared between husband and wife that I believe are unique to that marital relationship.&quot;  I believe that we cannot have an intimate relationship with a man unless we have an intimate relationship with God. I just got out of a relationship because I am not there yet and I need time to work on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I feel this is a helpful and informative blog, I think you are wrong when you say &#8220;there is also an intimacy shared between husband and wife that I believe are unique to that marital relationship.&#8221;  I believe that we cannot have an intimate relationship with a man unless we have an intimate relationship with God. I just got out of a relationship because I am not there yet and I need time to work on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/06/god-as-my-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-15658</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bible says that God or a church it seems, is to be coming down from heaven, one day, like a bride or a groom.  And many priests and nuns have referred to their relation to the church, as a &quot;marriage.&quot;

This would be to be sure, a marriage between men, and a male God, in some cases; or men and a church of men; or men and women, marrying an institution.

Which sounds OK

But does this mean that the &quot;Defense of Marriage&quot; acts - which define a marriage as being strictly a man and a woman - are making part of the Bible illegal?  Or wrong in spirit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bible says that God or a church it seems, is to be coming down from heaven, one day, like a bride or a groom.  And many priests and nuns have referred to their relation to the church, as a &#8220;marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>This would be to be sure, a marriage between men, and a male God, in some cases; or men and a church of men; or men and women, marrying an institution.</p>
<p>Which sounds OK</p>
<p>But does this mean that the &#8220;Defense of Marriage&#8221; acts &#8211; which define a marriage as being strictly a man and a woman &#8211; are making part of the Bible illegal?  Or wrong in spirit?</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa and MBaker,

Thank you so much for your kind words and for the encouragement. I do have hope and with all honesty I do believe that I will be married. I will wait patiently for the right one.
It is so hard to know what is right, when so many fellow Christians voice their opinion instead of the word. It is so difficult to know who is right and who is wrong. I do read my Bible, and most frequently have difficulty interpreting it, but with prayer and persistance I know I will be able to get through this.

Thanks again!
Bridget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa and MBaker,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your kind words and for the encouragement. I do have hope and with all honesty I do believe that I will be married. I will wait patiently for the right one.<br />
It is so hard to know what is right, when so many fellow Christians voice their opinion instead of the word. It is so difficult to know who is right and who is wrong. I do read my Bible, and most frequently have difficulty interpreting it, but with prayer and persistance I know I will be able to get through this.</p>
<p>Thanks again!<br />
Bridget</p>
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		<title>By: mbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridget,

Thank you so much for your honesty.  Like Lisa, I have been where you are now.  I got so tired of the platitudes that were constantly thrown at me - like maybe it was God&#039;s will for me to be single, or maybe I had committed unrepented sin, or didn&#039;t have enough faith, yadda, yadda, yadda, when I knew darn well that it was simply not my nature to live alone, and my daughter so longed for a &#039;normal&#039; family like everyone else&#039;s.

I am happily remarried now, and I pray the same for you, but I have never quite trusted Christians fully since my experience with them as  a single parent. There were  very few people in the church who didn&#039;t consider me a crass sinner simply because of my divorced status.  Thankfully, I am in a far different church now, the one I wish I could have had when my daughter could have used a kind word and emotional support from anyone, or even a few minutes of their time. They are really understanding folks to the single parents we have in our church family, and it has helped a lot to restore my own trust.

I shall pray for you to find satisfaction in your desire to be in a Godly marriage.

God bless, and please know there are others like you out here who do truly understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridget,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your honesty.  Like Lisa, I have been where you are now.  I got so tired of the platitudes that were constantly thrown at me &#8211; like maybe it was God&#8217;s will for me to be single, or maybe I had committed unrepented sin, or didn&#8217;t have enough faith, yadda, yadda, yadda, when I knew darn well that it was simply not my nature to live alone, and my daughter so longed for a &#8216;normal&#8217; family like everyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I am happily remarried now, and I pray the same for you, but I have never quite trusted Christians fully since my experience with them as  a single parent. There were  very few people in the church who didn&#8217;t consider me a crass sinner simply because of my divorced status.  Thankfully, I am in a far different church now, the one I wish I could have had when my daughter could have used a kind word and emotional support from anyone, or even a few minutes of their time. They are really understanding folks to the single parents we have in our church family, and it has helped a lot to restore my own trust.</p>
<p>I shall pray for you to find satisfaction in your desire to be in a Godly marriage.</p>
<p>God bless, and please know there are others like you out here who do truly understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/06/god-as-my-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-15655</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bridget, thank you for that very honest comment.  You are not alone.  I have definitely expressed those same sentiments concerning my desires the wish for them to be removed if that is not God&#039;s will for me.

I cannot emphasize enough the point of what I believe the passage in 1 Corinthians 7 is not saying.  Paul is not saying that singleness is better than marriage, because singleness is the better position in God&#039;s eyes.  That would contradict a number of passages elsewhere in Scripture concerning God&#039;s design for marriage.  Rather, Paul is advocating for undistracted devotion to the Lord.  The single person does not have a spouse to deal with, and thus can focus more on the Lord whereas the married person must be concerned with the needs of their spouse. BUT, he is also saying that not all have the gift of singleness, which I take to mean celibacy.  Not all people can be content and undistracted single.

One of the reasons that prompted me to write this post is the fact that so many confuse what Paul is saying, and in an effort to relieve the feelings that singleness spawns, use God as a surrogate spouse.  I don&#039;t think that is a good position to take, especially since it is not validated in Scripture.

But what is validated is that God sees our hearts.  He knows all there is to know about us, even the stuff we haven&#039;t even figured out yet.  Read Psalm 139.  He is good and only has kind intentions towards His children, even though at times it seems that He either ignores our hearts and is overly engaged in the discipline process.  I have certainly felt this way at times.  Just be honest with Him, He knows anyway.  Give him your cares and seek to learn about Him by reading His precious word.  It is hard at times, I know.  But He does see and He does care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bridget, thank you for that very honest comment.  You are not alone.  I have definitely expressed those same sentiments concerning my desires the wish for them to be removed if that is not God&#8217;s will for me.</p>
<p>I cannot emphasize enough the point of what I believe the passage in 1 Corinthians 7 is not saying.  Paul is not saying that singleness is better than marriage, because singleness is the better position in God&#8217;s eyes.  That would contradict a number of passages elsewhere in Scripture concerning God&#8217;s design for marriage.  Rather, Paul is advocating for undistracted devotion to the Lord.  The single person does not have a spouse to deal with, and thus can focus more on the Lord whereas the married person must be concerned with the needs of their spouse. BUT, he is also saying that not all have the gift of singleness, which I take to mean celibacy.  Not all people can be content and undistracted single.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that prompted me to write this post is the fact that so many confuse what Paul is saying, and in an effort to relieve the feelings that singleness spawns, use God as a surrogate spouse.  I don&#8217;t think that is a good position to take, especially since it is not validated in Scripture.</p>
<p>But what is validated is that God sees our hearts.  He knows all there is to know about us, even the stuff we haven&#8217;t even figured out yet.  Read Psalm 139.  He is good and only has kind intentions towards His children, even though at times it seems that He either ignores our hearts and is overly engaged in the discipline process.  I have certainly felt this way at times.  Just be honest with Him, He knows anyway.  Give him your cares and seek to learn about Him by reading His precious word.  It is hard at times, I know.  But He does see and He does care.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I am not able to quote scripture just yet, and fairly new in my beliefs. I have not been married, widowed, or divorced, but I am a single mother. In all honesty, I do wish to be married whole
heartedly....... I wish, hope, and long for a marriage. I have been told several times that it might be what God has planned for me and that my singleness should be considered a Gift to serve him better. That statement is so hard to swallow, especially because there are so many things I do not understand. How can being single be such a gift, when I can&#039;t stand it? I am just openly speaking on my current feeling. Maybe as my faith as a Christian grows, I will be able to understand it better. (I always had the belief in God and Jesus Christ, but never took it any further.)
I just don&#039;t understand the overwhelming desire to have a marriage and family, when it might not possibly be what God wants from me...?????? Then I was told that it might be my desire and not God&#039;s. God is the only one that can answer that question. I do pray for His Will, and if his will is for me to be single, to please remove the desire in my heart. I feel that everything about me would benefit from a marriage. My daughter would benefit from a marriage. Any help or scriptures would be greatly appreciated. This blog is just an honest opinion. No harm intended and please no judgement. I am just learning and seeking.
Thanks!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I am not able to quote scripture just yet, and fairly new in my beliefs. I have not been married, widowed, or divorced, but I am a single mother. In all honesty, I do wish to be married whole<br />
heartedly&#8230;&#8230;. I wish, hope, and long for a marriage. I have been told several times that it might be what God has planned for me and that my singleness should be considered a Gift to serve him better. That statement is so hard to swallow, especially because there are so many things I do not understand. How can being single be such a gift, when I can&#8217;t stand it? I am just openly speaking on my current feeling. Maybe as my faith as a Christian grows, I will be able to understand it better. (I always had the belief in God and Jesus Christ, but never took it any further.)<br />
I just don&#8217;t understand the overwhelming desire to have a marriage and family, when it might not possibly be what God wants from me&#8230;?????? Then I was told that it might be my desire and not God&#8217;s. God is the only one that can answer that question. I do pray for His Will, and if his will is for me to be single, to please remove the desire in my heart. I feel that everything about me would benefit from a marriage. My daughter would benefit from a marriage. Any help or scriptures would be greatly appreciated. This blog is just an honest opinion. No harm intended and please no judgement. I am just learning and seeking.<br />
Thanks!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s a different translation but I only see Paul saying that it is good not to marry, if found single, but if you don&#039;t want to live like that then it&#039;s no problem, just marry.

He did say that marriage meant that the husband&#039;s primary care would be for the wife, and that of the wife for her husband, but that (from the beginning) was what marriage was meant to be like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a different translation but I only see Paul saying that it is good not to marry, if found single, but if you don&#8217;t want to live like that then it&#8217;s no problem, just marry.</p>
<p>He did say that marriage meant that the husband&#8217;s primary care would be for the wife, and that of the wife for her husband, but that (from the beginning) was what marriage was meant to be like.</p>
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