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	<title>Comments on: Little Churches within the Church</title>
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		<title>By: Dr_Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/little-churches-within-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-13256</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr_Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to DML-J, there&#039;s an element of intentionality present in the &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt; that is not necessarily present in small groups, home churches, life groups, or discipleship groups.

The &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt; are purposely designed to prepare the Truly Christian element in the church to have an impact on the merely Christian &lt;i&gt;hoi polloi&lt;/i&gt; in the pews.  Distinctions are being made re who is Christian and who is not.

The article presents the &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt; in a less-than-favorable light, but I am not sure it is as inherently dangerous or undesirable as it would appear.  It also seems to me that it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; possible to identify and separate disciples from nominal Christians, and then to develop programs - such as TTP - to feed the disciples.

I like the fact that &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt; does not necessitate a split or separation.  That, I think, is a commendable thing.

Finally, in pointing out the flaws and dangers of the &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt;, DML-J is critiquing the church, too.  Whatever liabilities the &lt;i&gt;ecclesiola&lt;/i&gt; possesses, it is true of the church as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-13256" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('13256', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-13256-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>According to DML-J, there&#8217;s an element of intentionality present in the <i>ecclesiola</i> that is not necessarily present in small groups, home churches, life groups, or discipleship groups.</p>
<p>The <i>ecclesiola</i> are purposely designed to prepare the Truly Christian element in the church to have an impact on the merely Christian <i>hoi polloi</i> in the pews.  Distinctions are being made re who is Christian and who is not.</p>
<p>The article presents the <i>ecclesiola</i> in a less-than-favorable light, but I am not sure it is as inherently dangerous or undesirable as it would appear.  It also seems to me that it <i>is</i> possible to identify and separate disciples from nominal Christians, and then to develop programs &#8211; such as TTP &#8211; to feed the disciples.</p>
<p>I like the fact that <i>ecclesiola</i> does not necessitate a split or separation.  That, I think, is a commendable thing.</p>
<p>Finally, in pointing out the flaws and dangers of the <i>ecclesiola</i>, DML-J is critiquing the church, too.  Whatever liabilities the <i>ecclesiola</i> possesses, it is true of the church as well.</p>
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		<title>By: djohn</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/little-churches-within-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-13255</link>
		<dc:creator>djohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this in our church setting. We hold small group bible studies in both an open format all are welcome and we also have both women small groups and those for men. it Actually works great and is fun because those that are weaker are strenghtened and those that are stronger help encourage the others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-13255" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('13255', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-13255-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I see this in our church setting. We hold small group bible studies in both an open format all are welcome and we also have both women small groups and those for men. it Actually works great and is fun because those that are weaker are strenghtened and those that are stronger help encourage the others</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/little-churches-within-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-13254</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same thought as Lisa.

I remember reading that John Wesley believed that a Christian needed three groups to meet with each week. He believed that we all needed to meet once a week (1) with everyone in worship, (2) to meet each week with a small group of 10 or so to study the Word, and (3) a small group of 2-3 persons to hold each other accountable and to share and pray.

It seems to me that we have seen an increase in the traditional Protestant churches for people to form small groups.  I had wondered if this was a result of a current popular church strategy or a manifestation of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.  I.e., is it man-driven or God-inspired.  Maybe it doesn&#039;t matter, or maybe it&#039;s both.

Perhaps John Wesley was acting in the role of a coach who establishes good training regimens for his/her athletes so that they can improve.

I think Michael is acting in that role, and I think that God has used the talents that he developed as a personal trainer to help communicate and teach good habits to the rest of us through the study of theology. He is certainly contributing to our growth.

Thanks Michael - once again, this is extremely edifying. You are a blessing to the community of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-13254" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('13254', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-13254-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I had the same thought as Lisa.</p>
<p>I remember reading that John Wesley believed that a Christian needed three groups to meet with each week. He believed that we all needed to meet once a week (1) with everyone in worship, (2) to meet each week with a small group of 10 or so to study the Word, and (3) a small group of 2-3 persons to hold each other accountable and to share and pray.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we have seen an increase in the traditional Protestant churches for people to form small groups.  I had wondered if this was a result of a current popular church strategy or a manifestation of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.  I.e., is it man-driven or God-inspired.  Maybe it doesn&#8217;t matter, or maybe it&#8217;s both.</p>
<p>Perhaps John Wesley was acting in the role of a coach who establishes good training regimens for his/her athletes so that they can improve.</p>
<p>I think Michael is acting in that role, and I think that God has used the talents that he developed as a personal trainer to help communicate and teach good habits to the rest of us through the study of theology. He is certainly contributing to our growth.</p>
<p>Thanks Michael &#8211; once again, this is extremely edifying. You are a blessing to the community of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/little-churches-within-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-13253</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this be akin to today&#039;s small group movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-13253" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('13253', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-13253-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Would this be akin to today&#8217;s small group movement?</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/05/little-churches-within-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-13252</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 06:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of contemporary examples of &quot;ekklesiola&quot;:

the &lt;i&gt;movimenti&lt;/i&gt;, renewal movements, in the Roman Catholic church; the associations of &quot;confessing&quot; Christians in the mainline Protestant denominations, the entire Charismatic Renewal within both Catholic and Protestant mainline denominations, the &quot;Gemeinschaftsbewegung&quot; - the pietist movement within the Lutheran/Reformed denominations of Germany and Austria, etc.

I suspect that this phenomenon is more common in churches which baptize infants and effectively have a &quot;cultural&quot; definition of membership, and less common in churches which emphasize personal conversion and committment.

I know one such movement here in Austria which styles itself &quot;ecumenical&quot; but is largely Catholic-dominated -- because the Evangelicals get what they need in their churches, while the Catholics don&#039;t get it in their parishes and need this movement to provide basic Christian fellowship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-13252" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('13252', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-13252-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>There are plenty of contemporary examples of &#8220;ekklesiola&#8221;:</p>
<p>the <i>movimenti</i>, renewal movements, in the Roman Catholic church; the associations of &#8220;confessing&#8221; Christians in the mainline Protestant denominations, the entire Charismatic Renewal within both Catholic and Protestant mainline denominations, the &#8220;Gemeinschaftsbewegung&#8221; &#8211; the pietist movement within the Lutheran/Reformed denominations of Germany and Austria, etc.</p>
<p>I suspect that this phenomenon is more common in churches which baptize infants and effectively have a &#8220;cultural&#8221; definition of membership, and less common in churches which emphasize personal conversion and committment.</p>
<p>I know one such movement here in Austria which styles itself &#8220;ecumenical&#8221; but is largely Catholic-dominated &#8212; because the Evangelicals get what they need in their churches, while the Catholics don&#8217;t get it in their parishes and need this movement to provide basic Christian fellowship.</p>
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