We attended a Church that embraced this “Bevere” teaching and I at one time embraced it, until it was abused. My husband served on staff for several years and then was called to plant a church 25 miles north of the home church. It went well and we went out with Joy and peace. Until…..some people started coming that were not apart of the original plant. Now the “mother” church is a church of 2,500 and we planted with 160 and then a few people the following year decided to come. According the their pastor they were out of the will of God and needed to wait 90 days to leave his church and then it changed to a year. If they would meet with him they were told they were leaving without his “blessing.” Which ment it would not go well with them. They were out from a “covering.” The Bevere book was always used. I think the line of spiritual authority is being crossed here. No where do you see biblically that we are to “ask permission” to leave a church. We are to follow the holy Spirit’s guiding.

Opened my eyes to some things. Great posts everyone.

Im a young minister in a Pentecostal church and have been asked to teach our youth about ‘Authority’. It was in my studies and research that I came accross this article. I have found some of Bevere’s books very helpful and when I saw ‘Under Cover’ I wanted to read it. I may not at this point

I have to agree that authority is abused way too much and has left a bitter taste in our mouths. However, ‘authority’ is biblical when put in context. My pastor teaches that God hasnt given anyone authority to be abusive or manipulative. I thank God for him.

When someone rules over you as in OT times we need to understand that God didn’t intend for it to be this way. He was looking for relationship. The people requested a king. The people requested Moses speak to God for them. Thank God the viel was tore.

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Obedience and submisiveness are lifestyles of a truly born again Christian but John Bevere’s teaching in Under Cover is full of brinestones and fires from hell. He is teaching the New Covenant believers using Old Covenant Laws,omitting the Grace of God and the Finished Work of our Lord Jesus Christ. He tries to bring people into obedience by fears of punishments instead of love of God. His intention may be good but methods are totally wrong

M.Sawyer. Thank you for your very lengthy post, one that evidently took time and effort to create.

MJS, by indicating that what John from down under wrote lines up with your post (which doesn’t deal specifically with the Hebrews passage), are you indicating that you agree that the Heb. 13 passage does not support B’s position, or that in addition to that you also agree with J’s exegesis? Sorry if it’s clear to you and others, but I would like to know a bit more explicitly if J was correct in his interpretation of those two verbs.

I look forward to more lead posts by you. I’m possibly one of the few that read much of your Galatians post on the other website. I did a 4 year degree in linguistics, and admit to a strange joy in things linguistic (I used to make up languages and teach them to my younger brothers–I’m surprised they still send me birthday cards).

regards,
John

CMP, I am still rather new to the blogging thing and netiquette and all that, but I do believe that it would be a good thing to delete the Osama Bin Laden post. It’s evidently intentionally disruptive. BTW, if you delete that one, then delete this one too as it will no longer have relevance.

regards,
John

Mr. Bevere is crazy!!! You keep listening to your corupt leaders and you will be in big trouble.By the way, I am here in the White house chiilin with Bush and Cheney.The Bush twins are party animals….

While Mr. Bevere does make some valuable and important points….His ideology will sooner or later be taken by those in authority (police,government officials) as carte Blanche` (basically as a green light) to do as they please and abuse their authority.Now common sense tells us that if we did not have the police then there would be anarchy…Which is horrible, therefore… a corrupt police force is certainly much better than no police force.Would Mr. Bevere get rid of IAD?…(Internal Affairs Division) those that police the police?… Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely!Shades of Rodney King!!! Wise up Mr. Bevere…Wise up.Its a good thing we question those in authority..Look at Bush. He lied and millions died.He and Cheney made billions from Halliburton(the biggest oil corp. in the world, of whom Dick Cheney quit because of conflict of interest).” I did not have sex with that woman” Bill Clinton. I rest my case Mr. Bevere..

John,

I read your post and it read to me like more information. I didn’t realize that there was anything to reply to.

It seems to me that what you said lines up with my critique.