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		<title>By: Kara Kittle</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/did-christ-have-gray-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-11908</link>
		<dc:creator>Kara Kittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,
Jesus has the power to transcend time and space, because he is Lord over all creation. Even as a man, He was not a mere man. Too much for my comprehension.</description>
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Jesus has the power to transcend time and space, because he is Lord over all creation. Even as a man, He was not a mere man. Too much for my comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, he had the power to override nature like walking on water, and to raise the dead (Lazarus), not to mention himself. He did end up dying because he allowed it to happen, but only for 3 days.

John 10:17 This is why the Father loves me because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again.
John 10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again.

Is it possible to speak about what would have happened when we are dealing with someone with absolute power to lay down and take up their own life? Maybe, I&#039;m not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-11907" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('11907', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-11907-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>On the other hand, he had the power to override nature like walking on water, and to raise the dead (Lazarus), not to mention himself. He did end up dying because he allowed it to happen, but only for 3 days.</p>
<p>John 10:17 This is why the Father loves me because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again.<br />
John 10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again.</p>
<p>Is it possible to speak about what would have happened when we are dealing with someone with absolute power to lay down and take up their own life? Maybe, I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara Kittle</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/did-christ-have-gray-hair/comment-page-1/#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>Kara Kittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if Jesus did live that long...would the destruction of the Temple have happened? Well of course, He said it would, but how would he have reacted when it did happen. BTW a little history lesson for those who might not know...

The Maccabee Revolt in 70 was after Antiochus Epiphanes the Roman general besieged the city and in the name of Saturnalia burned a pig on the altar. This is in the Apocrypha and is the basis for Channukah...which co-incides with the Feast of Lights. The temple that took Herod the Great 40 years to build was torn down stone by stone just as Jesus said it would happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-11906" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('11906', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-11906-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I think if Jesus did live that long&#8230;would the destruction of the Temple have happened? Well of course, He said it would, but how would he have reacted when it did happen. BTW a little history lesson for those who might not know&#8230;</p>
<p>The Maccabee Revolt in 70 was after Antiochus Epiphanes the Roman general besieged the city and in the name of Saturnalia burned a pig on the altar. This is in the Apocrypha and is the basis for Channukah&#8230;which co-incides with the Feast of Lights. The temple that took Herod the Great 40 years to build was torn down stone by stone just as Jesus said it would happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaveZ...i think Jesus would&#039;ve reached full maturity and looked like Adam when he was first created. or like what you&#039;ll look like in your glorified body. maturing is not a part of sin&#039;s effects. death is. Adam and Eve&#039;s children would have aged even if they hadn&#039;t sinned, but would&#039;ve stopped at full maturity.

but it&#039;s all moot anyway, for Jesus not to be crucified was not possible.

(Rev 13:8)  ...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

(Acts 4:27-28)  Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. {28} They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-11905" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('11905', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-11905-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>DaveZ&#8230;i think Jesus would&#8217;ve reached full maturity and looked like Adam when he was first created. or like what you&#8217;ll look like in your glorified body. maturing is not a part of sin&#8217;s effects. death is. Adam and Eve&#8217;s children would have aged even if they hadn&#8217;t sinned, but would&#8217;ve stopped at full maturity.</p>
<p>but it&#8217;s all moot anyway, for Jesus not to be crucified was not possible.</p>
<p>(Rev 13:8)  &#8230;the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.</p>
<p>(Acts 4:27-28)  Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. {28} They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Sam, I&#039;m sure you&#039;d agree that Jesus did show the effects of age while on the earth. He grew from an infant into an adult, with all the physical implications of that.  Had he not been crucified, would he have continued aging like a normal human?  Yet not dying? If so, what would he look like today.  If not, at what age would he have stopped aging?  Would he always look like he was in his mid-thirties?  Maybe 40-ish?  Or 60-ish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-11904" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('11904', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-11904-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>So Sam, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d agree that Jesus did show the effects of age while on the earth. He grew from an infant into an adult, with all the physical implications of that.  Had he not been crucified, would he have continued aging like a normal human?  Yet not dying? If so, what would he look like today.  If not, at what age would he have stopped aging?  Would he always look like he was in his mid-thirties?  Maybe 40-ish?  Or 60-ish?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMP on #5...Bingo ! Was He grumpy eg. not joyful eg. sinning (??) when he rebuked the pharisees or the apostles ?

Sam on #14.. Interesting quotes.. good thoughts.


Off to do some more digesting on this one...

In Him
Mick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-11903" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('11903', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-11903-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>CMP on #5&#8230;Bingo ! Was He grumpy eg. not joyful eg. sinning (??) when he rebuked the pharisees or the apostles ?</p>
<p>Sam on #14.. Interesting quotes.. good thoughts.</p>
<p>Off to do some more digesting on this one&#8230;</p>
<p>In Him<br />
Mick</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I have do to a group doctrinal statement along with 3 other people for my trinitarianism class and my piece is the humanity of Christ.  I think I will insert this significant piece of information.    Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Christ would have died because He did not have access to the “Tree of Life.”&quot;

No. Because He is THE Tree of Life

(John 14:6)  Jesus answered, &quot;I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

(John 11:25)  Jesus said to her, &quot;I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies

(John 5:26)  For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

Plus being human did not negate the fact that he was\is a Divine Person.

The only way He could die was to give up his life as he did.

(John 10:18)  No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.&quot;</description>
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<p>No. Because He is THE Tree of Life</p>
<p>(John 14:6)  Jesus answered, &#8220;I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.</p>
<p>(John 11:25)  Jesus said to her, &#8220;I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies</p>
<p>(John 5:26)  For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.</p>
<p>Plus being human did not negate the fact that he was\is a Divine Person.</p>
<p>The only way He could die was to give up his life as he did.</p>
<p>(John 10:18)  No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kara Kittle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara Kittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a second Adam, would he have lived over 600 years? Here on earth?</description>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Michael,

Not sure if I agree with the &quot;outside temptation&quot; theory, as I think that it implies that Christ&#039;s temptation was different to our own.  Yet the Hebrews says that  Christ was &quot;tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.&quot; (Heb. 4:15 NASB)

To support your thesis though, Christ is known as the second Adam, and as such could have been born without a sin nature.  Unlike Adam, though Christ chose not to sin, and as such was able to be that perfect sacrifice that was required.  I really like what Dallas Willard has to say on the topic.

Whatever option is correct, I think the important fact was that he did not sin.

On the matter of gray hair (and I realize that this was not the point of your post), I wrote an interesting article that sets out an &lt;a href=&quot;http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/12/28/what-year-was-jesus-born-when-did-he-die-and-does-it-matter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;argument for Christ being in his 40s when he died&lt;/a&gt; (43-48).  I started looking into it when I saw a quote from Irenaeus saying that Christ was about 50 when he died.

Take a look at it and let me know what you think.

Mike Bell</description>
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<p>Not sure if I agree with the &#8220;outside temptation&#8221; theory, as I think that it implies that Christ&#8217;s temptation was different to our own.  Yet the Hebrews says that  Christ was &#8220;tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.&#8221; (Heb. 4:15 NASB)</p>
<p>To support your thesis though, Christ is known as the second Adam, and as such could have been born without a sin nature.  Unlike Adam, though Christ chose not to sin, and as such was able to be that perfect sacrifice that was required.  I really like what Dallas Willard has to say on the topic.</p>
<p>Whatever option is correct, I think the important fact was that he did not sin.</p>
<p>On the matter of gray hair (and I realize that this was not the point of your post), I wrote an interesting article that sets out an <a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/12/28/what-year-was-jesus-born-when-did-he-die-and-does-it-matter/" rel="nofollow">argument for Christ being in his 40s when he died</a> (43-48).  I started looking into it when I saw a quote from Irenaeus saying that Christ was about 50 when he died.</p>
<p>Take a look at it and let me know what you think.</p>
<p>Mike Bell</p>
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