Comments on: Authority, Submission and Our Rebellious Tendencies http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/ Making Theology Accessible Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:07:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Minnow http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11603 Minnow Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:38:57 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11603 Humm...note to self... Humm…note to self…

]]> By: Lisa Robinson http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11602 Lisa Robinson Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:26:55 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11602 Minnow, I think that would be an unfortunate interpretation of what I've written. I think Carol Jean gets the heart of the post. Minnow, I think that would be an unfortunate interpretation of what I’ve written. I think Carol Jean gets the heart of the post.

]]> By: minnow http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11601 minnow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:51:26 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11601 Only one meaning because...God could not possibly mean for it to have multiple layers of meanings because He's not as good a "writer" as say Walt Witman, Checov, Charles Dickens...? Even if I agree that there is really only one correct interpretation, which interpretation do we "know" is correct? Yours or mine? We both aproach scripture asking for understanding. I get that you were saying scripture was God's revelation but why would He stop revealing? Certainly He didn't run out of things to reveal. And, it couldn't be that we got it all right in our understanding of what He did reveal to the point that He doesn't need to keep talking to us (or to the next generations). Obviously we should read scripture with pure intent. We need to hear the words, study the examples, understand the content, consider the cultural differences...and let the Spirit inform our hearts and minds. And embracing any extra-Biblical writing/teaching (even when it is presented as "interpretation") needs to be done with utmost care so that it does not contradict the clear message of the gospel (who Jesus is and what He did). Finally, much of the NT is instruction for living so that we as the Body might continue to witness/reflect Christ which is different from the apostles' testimony of what Christ did while he walked the earth. So, I am not exactly certain what you are saying in this statement: "The writings of the NT are inscribing God’s revelation in Christ as the apostles testified to Him." I think we are on the same page as to how we think we should approach scripture but because of our interactions on other posts I know we come out in different places with regard to specific interpretations. In that light, these kinds of post throw up all sorts of red flags for me because they seem to imply that if my interpretation does not line up with yours I must not be approaching scripture with a contrite/humble enough spirit. You may not be consciously making that accusation but it's difficult for me to come away with a different understanding. I will try. Only one meaning because…God could not possibly mean for it to have multiple layers of meanings because He’s not as good a “writer” as say Walt Witman, Checov, Charles Dickens…? Even if I agree that there is really only one correct interpretation, which interpretation do we “know” is correct? Yours or mine? We both aproach scripture asking for understanding.
I get that you were saying scripture was God’s revelation but why would He stop revealing? Certainly He didn’t run out of things to reveal. And, it couldn’t be that we got it all right in our understanding of what He did reveal to the point that He doesn’t need to keep talking to us (or to the next generations). Obviously we should read scripture with pure intent. We need to hear the words, study the examples, understand the content, consider the cultural differences…and let the Spirit inform our hearts and minds. And embracing any extra-Biblical writing/teaching (even when it is presented as “interpretation”) needs to be done with utmost care so that it does not contradict the clear message of the gospel (who Jesus is and what He did).
Finally, much of the NT is instruction for living so that we as the Body might continue to witness/reflect Christ which is different from the apostles’ testimony of what Christ did while he walked the earth. So, I am not exactly certain what you are saying in this statement: “The writings of the NT are inscribing God’s revelation in Christ as the apostles testified to Him.”
I think we are on the same page as to how we think we should approach scripture but because of our interactions on other posts I know we come out in different places with regard to specific interpretations. In that light, these kinds of post throw up all sorts of red flags for me because they seem to imply that if my interpretation does not line up with yours I must not be approaching scripture with a contrite/humble enough spirit. You may not be consciously making that accusation but it’s difficult for me to come away with a different understanding. I will try.

]]> By: Carol Jean http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11600 Carol Jean Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:13:15 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11600 Good thoughts, Lisa. :) I shudder to think that I may be misrepresenting God's word. Good thoughts, Lisa. :)

I shudder to think that I may be misrepresenting God’s word.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11599 Leslie Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:39:47 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11599 Oh, I know you are a Facebook junkie, Lisa! ;) Oh, I know you are a Facebook junkie, Lisa! ;)

]]> By: Lisa Robinson http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11598 Lisa Robinson Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:02:01 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11598 Minnow, I would say not necessarily rebellion. I mean think of Luther and his challenge to the Catholic church. But in terms of revelation, if you unpack the passage I cited in Hebrews, it shows how God's revelation has come about. In the past through prophets and now "in His Son". The writings of the NT are inscribing God's revelation in Christ as the apostles testified to Him. So Scripture is God's revelation. That is not to say that God is not active today in our lives or "shows" Himself. The Holy Spirit shouldn't be grieved or quenched, but given full reign in the life of the believer. Also, if Scripture is God-breathed, then that would mean there is only one interpretation, yes? It does get tricky with some passages and clearly there have been disagreements in the development of doctrine. But there is only one meaning. And that, I think, is my point about humility. Its not to say that we are necessarily going to get everything right but it should say that we will want to try in order to understand what God is communicating. Minnow, I would say not necessarily rebellion. I mean think of Luther and his challenge to the Catholic church. But in terms of revelation, if you unpack the passage I cited in Hebrews, it shows how God’s revelation has come about. In the past through prophets and now “in His Son”. The writings of the NT are inscribing God’s revelation in Christ as the apostles testified to Him. So Scripture is God’s revelation. That is not to say that God is not active today in our lives or “shows” Himself. The Holy Spirit shouldn’t be grieved or quenched, but given full reign in the life of the believer.

Also, if Scripture is God-breathed, then that would mean there is only one interpretation, yes? It does get tricky with some passages and clearly there have been disagreements in the development of doctrine. But there is only one meaning. And that, I think, is my point about humility. Its not to say that we are necessarily going to get everything right but it should say that we will want to try in order to understand what God is communicating.

]]> By: minnow http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11597 minnow Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:41:41 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11597 So Lisa--How does one tell the difference between discernment (revelation) and rebellion? If our study of scripture happens to support our point of view but not necessarily what has been "taught" does that mean it is rebellion and not truth? Is my understanding, reading, interpretation automatically suspect because it doesn't line up with tradition? And if so why? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by calling yourself a dispensationalist but your explanation of the term made me wonder why we don't still expect God to be revealing Himself. So Lisa–How does one tell the difference between discernment (revelation) and rebellion? If our study of scripture happens to support our point of view but not necessarily what has been “taught” does that mean it is rebellion and not truth? Is my understanding, reading, interpretation automatically suspect because it doesn’t line up with tradition? And if so why? I’m not sure I understand what you mean by calling yourself a dispensationalist but your explanation of the term made me wonder why we don’t still expect God to be revealing Himself.

]]> By: Brett http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/04/authority-submission-and-our-rebellious-tendencies/comment-page-1/#comment-11596 Brett Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:07:08 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=2016#comment-11596 I just took one of those Bible Character questions. It says that I -- a middle-aged, 6-foot, 250-pound male -- am the Virgin Mary.... I just took one of those Bible Character questions. It says that I — a middle-aged, 6-foot, 250-pound male — am the Virgin Mary….

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