Comments on: My Evangelical Bailout Package http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/ Making Theology Accessible Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:34:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Collapse of American Evangelicalism? « The Prodigal Thought http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10766 The Collapse of American Evangelicalism? « The Prodigal Thought Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:53:18 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10766 [...] I regularly frequent have referred to iMonk’s articles in their most recent posts – Parchment & Pen and Christians In [...] [...] I regularly frequent have referred to iMonk’s articles in their most recent posts – Parchment & Pen and Christians In [...]

]]> By: Weekend Reading « The Blog Prophet http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10765 Weekend Reading « The Blog Prophet Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:27:26 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10765 [...] An Evangelical Bailout Package by C. Michael Patton [...] [...] An Evangelical Bailout Package by C. Michael Patton [...]

]]> By: Kara Kittle http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10764 Kara Kittle Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:42:08 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10764 Michael L. Ty. You know something...when I heard the word apologetic...I thought, what am I apologizing for to them? LOL. I have come a long way since then. My favorite teacher is Ravi Zacharias. I listen to him when I can. But at least I understand there is more to Jesus than what some guy on tv or the radio is telling us. We can open the Bible and learn for ourselves. Not that I am against it mind you, bless God that it is there for people who might not other wise pick up a Bible. Bless you and your wife both. Michael L.
Ty. You know something…when I heard the word apologetic…I thought, what am I apologizing for to them? LOL. I have come a long way since then. My favorite teacher is Ravi Zacharias. I listen to him when I can. But at least I understand there is more to Jesus than what some guy on tv or the radio is telling us. We can open the Bible and learn for ourselves. Not that I am against it mind you, bless God that it is there for people who might not other wise pick up a Bible.

Bless you and your wife both.

]]> By: Michael L. http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10763 Michael L. Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:55:55 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10763 Kara Kittle, Love that question !! "do you know Jesus better because you have a Phd rather than someone who does not ?" Absolutely not ! And I have the perfect example in my home ! Wy wife is a very long standing Christian, with an exceptionally strong faith. I call her a "Mark 10:15 believer". I am a way younger Christian, from Catholic background, who is a continuous seeker. She loves straight from the heart. I need to reason through things. We're different and it has, trust me, created some tension now that I'm in the TTP classes. So who knows Jesus better ? Neither. We both love Him, both accept Him and are both extremely blessed. But we do come from a different angle and background. And THAT is what makes up a Church (1Cor 12:12-26). Is the hand better than the eye ? Or the foot better than the head ? Paul foresaw this... For those that are called to study, learn, be involved in apologetics, do it to the best of the "Talents" the Lord has bestowed on you. For those that are called to love, serve, comfort... ditto ;-) In Him Kara Kittle,

Love that question !!

“do you know Jesus better because you have a Phd rather than someone who does not ?”

Absolutely not ! And I have the perfect example in my home ! Wy wife is a very long standing Christian, with an exceptionally strong faith. I call her a “Mark 10:15 believer”.
I am a way younger Christian, from Catholic background, who is a continuous seeker.

She loves straight from the heart. I need to reason through things. We’re different and it has, trust me, created some tension now that I’m in the TTP classes.

So who knows Jesus better ? Neither. We both love Him, both accept Him and are both extremely blessed. But we do come from a different angle and background. And THAT is what makes up a Church (1Cor 12:12-26). Is the hand better than the eye ? Or the foot better than the head ? Paul foresaw this…

For those that are called to study, learn, be involved in apologetics, do it to the best of the “Talents” the Lord has bestowed on you. For those that are called to love, serve, comfort… ditto ;-)

In Him

]]> By: is evangelicalism collapsing? « συνεσταύρωμαι: living the crucified life http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10762 is evangelicalism collapsing? « συνεσταύρωμαι: living the crucified life Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:20:21 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10762 [...] Patton over at Parchment and Pen seems less pessemistic.   He offer suggestions in his bailout package.   Here are a couple of the more important [...] [...] Patton over at Parchment and Pen seems less pessemistic.   He offer suggestions in his bailout package.   Here are a couple of the more important [...]

]]> By: Dr. Paul W. Foltz http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10761 Dr. Paul W. Foltz Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:15:24 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10761 THE KNOWLEDGE 0F CHRIST COMES ONLY BY REVELATION-Luke 10;22-24; Matthew 11;24-29. Salvation is by Revelation. It is knowing and walking with Christ every day. THE KNOWLEDGE 0F CHRIST COMES ONLY BY REVELATION-Luke 10;22-24; Matthew 11;24-29.

Salvation is by Revelation. It is knowing and walking with Christ every day.

]]> By: Kara Kittle http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10760 Kara Kittle Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:18:43 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10760 The intellectual point is...do you know Jesus better because you have a Phd rather than someone who does not? Again, that is being respectors of persons because now the definition has turned to some people believing they know it all about God, when they really know nothing. Jesus is supposed to be in a working relationship within us and to say you can only know Him from the more you study Him in an educational setting? Did I have to go to wife school to get a Phd to learn how to live with my husband? No, our priorities in the church have changed. No longer do we seek after the communication with Jesus through intimate prayer, we look for definitions in books. We read Spurgeon and all those others an borrow quotes from them. Tell me today what Jesus said to you today, I love to hear good revelations people have received. I am in the TTP program for a reason, and that is to learn how to speak to other people of other faiths who by the way also study our Bible. I study about Islam and Judaism and all other religions, not so I can be like them but so that I can know what they believe. Our religion is unique, but will only be unique if we get back to the basics and that is....relationship over intellect...get back to that. Don't get me wrong, I do endorse religious education, it is important for us to study to rightly divide the Word of God, but once you divided it, how do you use it? And without God anyway, you aren't going to get understanding at all. To borrow from Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly... The intellectual point is…do you know Jesus better because you have a Phd rather than someone who does not? Again, that is being respectors of persons because now the definition has turned to some people believing they know it all about God, when they really know nothing. Jesus is supposed to be in a working relationship within us and to say you can only know Him from the more you study Him in an educational setting? Did I have to go to wife school to get a Phd to learn how to live with my husband?

No, our priorities in the church have changed. No longer do we seek after the communication with Jesus through intimate prayer, we look for definitions in books. We read Spurgeon and all those others an borrow quotes from them. Tell me today what Jesus said to you today, I love to hear good revelations people have received.

I am in the TTP program for a reason, and that is to learn how to speak to other people of other faiths who by the way also study our Bible. I study about Islam and Judaism and all other religions, not so I can be like them but so that I can know what they believe.

Our religion is unique, but will only be unique if we get back to the basics and that is….relationship over intellect…get back to that.

Don’t get me wrong, I do endorse religious education, it is important for us to study to rightly divide the Word of God, but once you divided it, how do you use it? And without God anyway, you aren’t going to get understanding at all. To borrow from Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly…

]]> By: Dr. Paul W. Foltz http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10759 Dr. Paul W. Foltz Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:09:08 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10759 Amen, Brother Patton. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I appreciate your insight and this blog very much. Blessings, Dr. P aul W. Foltz Amen, Brother Patton. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I appreciate
your insight and this blog very much.
Blessings,
Dr. P aul W. Foltz

]]> By: In the Blogosphere « Kingdom People http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10758 In the Blogosphere « Kingdom People Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:17:36 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10758 [...] Michael Spencer on the “coming evangelical collapse.” Michael Patton responds with an evangelical bailout package. [...] [...] Michael Spencer on the “coming evangelical collapse.” Michael Patton responds with an evangelical bailout package. [...]

]]> By: Peter http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/03/what-do-we-need-to-do-my-evangelical-bailout-package/comment-page-1/#comment-10757 Peter Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:10:20 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=1919#comment-10757 "much of the story was created for theological purposes" I think everyone can stand in perfect unanimity in saying that the Gospels were created for theological purposes. “much of the story was created for theological purposes”

I think everyone can stand in perfect unanimity in saying that the Gospels were created for theological purposes.

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