It Does Not Matter if You Don't Like a Doctrine . . . Truth is Not a Democracy
I don’t think that there is a more valuable phrase that I have learned than this. “The palatability of a doctrine does not determine its veracity.” I believe this is true. There are two key words here: “palatability” and “determine.”
Palatability refers to appeal, tastefulness, and emotional response to something. “Determine” according to the dictionary means, “to settle or decide (a dispute, question, etc.) by an authoritative or conclusive decision.” This does not mean that palatability has no say whatsoever, but it is not determinative by any means. I will explain more later.
If there is one thing I try to instill deeply within my students (and myself) it is that doctrine, truth, the way we understand who God is and what He has done, cannot be determined by how much we like it or how much it appeals to our present disposition toward things. I know that there are often times when people decide what they will believe in the same way they go through a smörgåsbord and decide what they will eat. “These potatoes look good, I will have some of them. Raw carrots? Yuk. I will pass. But that German chocolate cake will do, as will this crescent roll. I will pass on the rye bread though-leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.” Put to theology, “God’s love? Oh yes, give me two helpings of that. No, pass on God’s wrath, not enough room and it does not sound good. God’s grace will be great, but I will have to skip the atonement—too bloody and odd. Predestination? Sovereign election? No way! Won’t work. That tastes terrible. I vote no. Next.”
Obviously, when pictured at Lubbies, this is funny, but the reality is that many of us (did I say us?) decide upon doctrine this way. This is not good. While the reverse of this principle is true, “The inpalitability of a doctrine does not determine that it is true,” we must understand that our authority does not lie in what we would like to be true. Doctrine is not influenced by how you would do things if you were God. In fact, it does not even ask you for your opinion on its tastiness. When there is clear revelation from God’s word, we must submit to it as the final authority, no matter how bad, bitter, spicy, or bland it might taste. Truth is not a democracy.
On the other hand, palatability may have a say when things are not clear. In other words, when doctrine is not clear within Scripture, such is the case with the destiny of the mentally unable and children who die in the womb or at an early age, then we look toward our emotional reaction for guidance, even if this guidance is fallible. If the Scriptures did say that infants who die before they are born go to hell, you and I would be repulsed by such an idea. This would not be palatable by any means. We would seek every recourse to find an alternative interpretation. Why? Because it is so repugnant to our thoughts of justice and innocence. As I said, it is impalatable. But if the Scriptures were clear concerning this, we would eventually have to submit to God’s final authority to do as He wills with his creation. However, since the Scriptures do not speak to the matter with any clarity, and other doctrines do not give us a definitive answer, we look to our thoughts on the matter and are justified in believing that our emotions give us a justifiable reason to believe that God will save the unborn. Why? Because we believe that we are created in the image of God. Theologians call this the imago dei. Being in the image of God creates what we call an analogia entis (analogy of being). The analogia entis is the correspondence that we have to God in our being and includes emotions and desires. The simple statement “God loves” only has meaning to us because we believe that our understanding of what it means to love corresponds to God’s. This creates an analogy of language that makes communication possible. I could go on with this for some time explaining the rich history behind it all, but this is a simple blog. All of this to say that our understanding of God and truth is aided by our palatability, though not determined by it.
Therefore, the statement “the palatability of a doctrine does not determine its veracity” must not only be understood profoundly, but held to deeply. For the most part, I find the Christianity very palatable. Grace, love, righteousness, our future hope, the restoration of all things, etc. are all doctrines that I would gladly take from a smörgåsbord. But when it comes to things that are not quite so palatable and lovely, I must take them too as my final authority is not that which is reasonable to my taste buds, but that which God has revealed in His word.
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JL Vaughn on 11 Feb 2009 at 12:49 am #
Interesting how you applied the palatability test to preterism, rather than studying the subject.
Blessings.
Jason C on 11 Feb 2009 at 12:57 am #
I think you mean “myself”.
Also I would place doctrines like God’s wrath against the ungodly, his grace towards the penitent, the atonement through Jesus’ sacrifice etc as part of the necessary core of beliefs that a Christian must hold.
I don’t place predestination or sovereign election on that level because it’s readily apparent that Christians who would agree on the core beliefs would still hold different positions on these beliefs without being any less Christian. A person who believed in predestination, but not in the resurrection (for example), would obviously not be a Christian.
Jason C on 11 Feb 2009 at 12:59 am #
I would add preterism to that list of non-core beliefs. While I believe preterism has some merits, I don’t think a person is more or less Christian for holding or rejecting that set of beliefs.
C Michael Patton on 11 Feb 2009 at 1:05 am #
I don’t understand how you have found preterism in this post. Or essentials or non-essentials.
DR. Paul Foltz on 11 Feb 2009 at 3:21 am #
I am premillennial in eschatology ; don’t believe all fulfilled in the past.
Another distasteful doctrine I hold is Re probation-God did not merely pass by those whom He did not elect unto salvation, but chose them to go to Hell. ”Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”
minnow on 11 Feb 2009 at 7:31 am #
Sounds a little like you’re trying to eat your cake and look at it at the same time CMP. If you hold that cofessing with your mouth and believeing in your heart is the only escape from hell, and you hold to total depravity it kind of seals the unborn’s or newly born’s or…fate, doesn’t it?
Mason on 11 Feb 2009 at 8:36 am #
How about evaluating a doctrine by its “fittingness”? Are there times when it might be valid to shy away from a certain take on theology because it does not feel fitting in light of our broader understanding of God and the narrative of the Scriptures?
So that, for example, there might be passages that are pointed to as support for Left Behind style eschatology, but it might be valid to doubt those conclusions if God smiting the earth for seven years and beaming us off to heaven seems like the ending to a very different story than the one the Bible is telling?
Just for the record, I think there are excellent reasons theologically, historically, and exegetically to reject that sort of take on the last days as well, but ‘feeling’ that it doesn’t fit while not being able to pin down why might be a valid starting point.
ScottL on 11 Feb 2009 at 8:44 am #
This is very good. But it doesn’t fit well with American Burger King Christianity – Have it your way.
Good challenge.
Leslie on 11 Feb 2009 at 9:05 am #
I am convinced that Michael Patton is one of the few that would tell things as they are. Though tough, it is what we all need today.
Scott Ferguson on 11 Feb 2009 at 9:48 am #
I agree with Mason in thinking that even theological claims that seem explicitly supported by scripture must be weighed against the whole. Even then you can end up with dueling verses.
I also think that Jason is right when he calls for humility in the “non-core” issues. In fact, on something like the fate of deceased infants, agnosticism may be called for – or a stance that says, “I don’t know what happens to still born children but figure God has worked it out.” In the Arminius-Calvin wars much ink has been spilled debating things that are in the end unknowable. Clever argument is so much noise if its underlying premises are unsound or unsure. I have always found the certainty of the conclusions completely unsupported by the quality of the assumptions.
There does seem to be a tension between non-palatable doctrines and analogia entis. If God has equipped us with an intellect and moral compass to discern the difference between tyranny and justice, then He must have known that we would apply the same apparatus to the words that have been written in His name. In fact, Christians have rejected many so-called apocryphal writings using their mental faculties (and an occasional nudge fro the Holy Spirit?) Unfortunately if you start picking at the Gospels and Epistles with a critical eye, you find yourself on a slippery slope that many of us have slid down before you.
Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell on 11 Feb 2009 at 10:21 am #
Just a thought, while “the palatability of a doctrine does not determine its veracity” the converse may be true for some, the veracity of a doctrine does affect its palatability. Something that is not true is not going to be very palatable. (At least to me.)
This is very similar to your post where you stated that “Christianity is not validated upon the character of its adherents.” I think you are on much safer ground here.
Perry Robinson on 11 Feb 2009 at 11:41 am #
I think there is some confusion above. The analogia entis is not derived from revealed theology but natural theology. The analogy of being is true between God and all creatures in natural theology and not just humans. Natural theology is the product of unaided reason’s assessment of the world without revelation. The analogy is grounded in the fact that the forms or divine ideas of all things as archetypes are in the divine mind and in accordance with these creatures are created.
Unfortunately, given the Reformed view of total depravity, they have mostly rejected natural theology and the analogia entis.
DR. Paul on 11 Feb 2009 at 12:07 pm #
Perry Robinson;
The Bible says the natural man receives not the the things that are spiritually discerned. So Natural Theology is worth NOTHING, and is
USELESS in discerning Spiritual Truth.
Luke on 11 Feb 2009 at 3:53 pm #
“Predestination, Sovereign election.”
CMP,
Based upon how you were using your analogy, you essentially claim that there is no doubting the validity of these two things. On top of that, you include them with things that scripture is very explicit about such as God’s wrath and the atonement. Why are you so convinced on this issue, so much so that you would even include it here. Maybe I don’t like it because I’m not convinced, because I don’t think there is any way possible that scripture backs it up; not because it’s unpalatable.
This is such a Calvinist typical straw-man. You claim those who disagree with you do theology based upon what they like and feel is right as opposed to just “believing what the Bible says.” CMP, there are so many loopholes in the Calvinist system I don’t even know where to start, not the least of which there is not a bit of evidence of this philosophical line of thought until Augustine in the 5th century AD.
I don’t go the opposite route and claim “free-will free-will free-will,” but I do embrace the mystery and don’t believe any of us know the answer (as both sides claim they do). It is non-essential (adiaphora) and you have convinced me that you think it is essential. Maybe I’m just a puppet on a string, but exegetically and hermeneutically I think you’re very, very wrong. Key words, exegetically and hermeneutically; not personally and experientially and subjectively. Maybe if all of us non-Calvinists could just do “objective” exegesis and believe in the “truth” no matter how wrong it sounds like you guys, then we could be honest with the text. I forgot how “biblical” you guys always were, nevermind that you condense the Bible essentially into 2 books (Romans and Ephesians) and read the Bible through a distorted western, individualistic, Augustinian lens.
I can handle a Calvinist, but one who claims that those who don’t believe like they do on their precious “TULIPs” or soap-boxes (which scripture in reality says very, very little about) doesn’t hold my attention for long and does not help build up the body. Calvinism is cherry-pickin’ and buffet-eatin’ at its finest.
C Michael Patton on 11 Feb 2009 at 3:58 pm #
Luke, you are reading way more into this than intended. I understand that there are reasonable arguments against sovereign election (as personally unconvincing as they may be!). That is not my point. My point is that if you reject this or any other doctrine (including Preterism—of which I am not) based upon its palatability alone, you are not doing theology with integrity.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I don’t want this to be about Calvinism or Preterism!
Have a great day my friend.
C Michael Patton on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:00 pm #
BTW: Could someone tell me how Preterism got introduced here?! It is not even hinted at in the blog post.
DR. Paul on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:16 pm #
Palability/ Since when does that enter the picture. Plability along with emotion, and human logic NEVER is the criteria. It is always ”Thus saith
The Lord.
Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:21 pm #
I am guessing that JL Vaughn had heard the term “preterism” and assumed it had to do with those who were not yet born. Maybe confusing it with pre-term-ism?
C Michael Patton on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:27 pm #
Wow. Nice bit of exegesis.
Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell on 11 Feb 2009 at 4:56 pm #
Then again, I could be wrong. But it sounded like a palatable solution.
Brett on 11 Feb 2009 at 7:56 pm #
I’m not sure that “Esau have I hated” means that God despised Esau. It’s my understanding that Semitic languages (even today?) have words for “love” and “hate”, but no intermediate words that mean “like” or “dislike.” Here, God simply means that he chose Jacob over Esau for special blessings and responsibility. If God truly hated Esau, how can one reconcile Jesus words “If anyone [...] does not hate his own father and mother [...] he cannot be my disciple” with “Honor your father and mother”?
Jason C on 11 Feb 2009 at 9:44 pm #
As Paul tells us in Romans, natural theology is not useless because the testimony of nature is such that none have excuse for failing to acknowledge their creator and seeking after him.
I’m not sure if it was Brother Andrew or Richard Wurmbrand (relying on memory here) who wrote about a couple raised in a communist state, indoctrinated with atheism from their earliest days, yet concluded based on the thumb that there was a god. They worshipped the “god who made the thumb” until the day that the evangelist brought them the good news that the creator they sought after had come looking for them.
Troy Pearsall on 11 Feb 2009 at 9:54 pm #
Fear God! amazingly is difficult for many people to digest, I have heard so many try to explain so many verses in the bible saying we should fear God. I ‘ve even heard on Preacher say it not the kind of fear that we think it is.
For so many God should be love worshiped and honored but not feared. Even though scripture is clear that we should fear God some just find it hard to accept.
Perry Robinson on 11 Feb 2009 at 11:17 pm #
Dr Paul,
That may be true, but it also says natural men have a sense of the existence of the divine, for his power is made manifest. (Rom 1:19) They have the law within their hearts, even if they never have been given the law. Rom 2:7 indicates that God rewards those who seek glory and immortality all their lives. Not to mention the fact the Paul further says in acts 17:27 that God leaves sufficient proofs to the purpose that people should seek after him.
As for the passage you refer to, Paul is speaking relative to the Gospel and Natural Theology is strictly restricted to what can be known by reason alone and not by revelation, so your applicaiton of it is a mistake.
That said, as an Orthodox Christian, I don’t believe in natural theology or an analogia entis, but thats for completely different reasons.
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Peter on 12 Feb 2009 at 12:59 am #
It sounds like we could call this position “sola scriptura, except when sola scriptura fails, and then sola palatability”. Of course, there is no sola when it is not sole.
C Michael Patton on 12 Feb 2009 at 1:22 am #
Peter, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder. You may be right about things and we may be right about things. Either way, it would seem more expedient to any form of godliness to attempt to be less hostile in your reactions. It does not fair well for anyone, to say nothing of profitable conversation, which is why I allow comments on these blog posts. Thanks bro.
Lisa Robinson on 12 Feb 2009 at 7:20 am #
Folks, the issue is not where you stand on specific doctrines but about having humility before God’s word and allowing it to say what it says. Some things are hard to understand and accept when sifted through our fallen, experience-ridden colandar. And if we are not careful, we’ll try to impose our own brand of justice upon the Biblical text. Submission and humility, I think is key.
scott gray on 12 Feb 2009 at 8:19 am #
what a delicious post!
‘the palatability of a doctrine does not determine its veracity’ is an aphorism. its cousins include ‘the palatability of a doctrine does determine its veracity,’ the non-palatability of a doctrine does not determine its veracity,’ and ‘the non-palatability of a doctrine does determine its veracity.’ arguments can be made for each of these aphorisms, as well. your argument is that palatability is a deciding factor about what people decide to put in their mouths.
but palatability, what one puts in ones mouth—it’s not an end in itself. it’s the beginning of digestion. then comes plenty of chewing. then swallowing. then mixing with enzymes in the stomach. then breaking down into useable components. then absorption of nutrients. then elimination of unused, unusable parts.
ingestion, mastication, digestion, absorption, excretion.
sounds like the perfect approach to a doctrine to me.
and there are so many doctrines out there! delicacies from the u.s., from europe, from the far east, from africa, from the middle east! traditional delicacies that are thousands of years old, and neuvo-creations popping up on the web daily. thousands of doctrines to ingest, to masticate, to digest(deconstruct), to extract the nutrition from, to eliminate 85% of.
many hundreds of these doctrines are rooted in the word. but the healthy process is still the same.
palatability is just the beginning of a healthy process of digestion. one that includes thorough chewing, deconstruction, absorption of nutrients, and elimination of unusable roughage. works for carrots, works for calvinism.
buon appétit!!
scott
minnow on 12 Feb 2009 at 9:02 am #
Very fun Scott!
Lisa Robinson, This: “Folks, the issue is not where you stand on specific doctrines but about having humility before God’s word and allowing it to say what it says.” helps? The point people are making when they are discussing where they stand is that when they allow God’s word to say what it says it says something different to them then to the person they disagree with.
This: “Some things are hard to understand and accept when sifted through our fallen, experience-ridden colandar. And if we are not careful, we’ll try to impose our own brand of justice upon the Biblical text. Submission and humility, I think is key.” can be read as fairly judgmental and borderline arrogant. I’ve read enough of your other comments over the past few months to think that was not your intent although I have to say lately they have come closer than in the past. Why do I come to my conclusion? Anytime advice like “If we are not careful…” is given the implication is because I see it I an being careful so you should agree with me because you are probably not being as careful. Last thought–humility I understand but submission–to what/who, how?
Lisa Robinson on 12 Feb 2009 at 10:05 am #
Minnow, submission to God’s authority and what He is communicating through His word, even if we don’t like what it says.
Jake Blues on 12 Feb 2009 at 10:05 am #
There is a flip side of this coin: as R.C. Sproul once said, “just because I want something to be true doesn’t make it true — but it doesn’t make it false, either.” It can be tempting to allege that a debate opponent holds to a position not because of careful thought but because of a sort of wish fulfillment. I have heard many skeptics in particular argue along these lines; “you don’t have a rational basis for your position, you just believe it because it makes you feel good.” This amateur psychoanalysis should be completely absent from our theological conversations. Just as palatability is not the determinent of truth, neither should it be the default explanation for why an otherwise intelligent person could possibly disagree with my obviously superior position.
Peter on 12 Feb 2009 at 6:11 pm #
Michael, stop being always so quick to read hostility into my simply pointing out something.
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Jason on 21 Feb 2009 at 2:29 pm #
Fortunately, nothing that we ingest makes us clean or unclean. Palatable or not it passes through the body. But what comes from the heart . . . well that’s another story. : )
Perhaps a little more to the point: The aphorism is very nice and strikes a deep chord, but like comments about the “plain reading of scripture”, once we move out of the abstract we find that there’s a lot more work left to do to flesh out the implementation.
Vance on 27 Feb 2009 at 2:17 pm #
I think I would give a bit more weight to palatibility than you do, Michael. I think we are made in God’s Image and, regardless of the introduction of sin, I think that means something. I believe that we have certain basic core reactions to everything around us, including God, that derive out of this “image” foundation. Even those who deny God’s existence and are not right with God will often show wonderful qualities of this God image, such as compassion, empathy and justice. Our sinful nature, even absent the work of the Spirit, does not seem to inevitably quash these.
And one of those core God-image qualities we bear, I would think, would be justice. When we see injustice, we internally rebel and want things set right. And, so, when viewing theological constructs and theories and propositions, I think our internal, “gut” reactions should become a factor. Not just whether we like something or dislike it, since that can be swayed by the sin nature that is also within us. But when something hits our core being as simply unjust or in some other way slams against our deepest core traits, we have to ask whether it is offending our sinful human nature, or that God’s-image-bearing nature that is also there in all of us.
Dr. Paul Foltz on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:23 pm #
Vance; Adam was made in God’s image. When he fell it was so marred, so defaced that it is unrecognizable.
we are made in Adam’s fallen image-read GENESIS 5;1-5.
Vance on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:38 pm #
Yes, Dr. Foltz, I understand the concept, but I disagree with the total depravity idea that God’s image became entirely unrecognizable and, thus, essentially non-existent. I simply see too much evidence to the contrary around me every day.
It does not say in Genesis 5 that once Adam was created in God’s image that we, as the descendants of Adam, somehow lost all that was image-bearing. Again, we see so much in people that are obviously not the outflow of our sin nature that it must be part of our God-image nature. What sets us apart from the rest of God’s Creation is what constitutes the “image of God”, I believe. And that exists in every human regardless of their relationship with God, their redemption from sin, etc. Those are matters that deal with our “right” relationship to God, and possibly where we will spend eternity, but we all still are creatures created in God’s image with basic values that, not arising out of our sinful (ie selfish) nature, must be part of that God-image nature.
Dr. Paul Foltz on 27 Feb 2009 at 4:43 pm #
Vance; Our human nature has an area of strength-human good, or a relative righteousness, and an area of
weakness, sins we commit. You are mistaking human good for divine good.
I hope this helps you.
Blessings.
Vance on 27 Feb 2009 at 5:06 pm #
No, I am not mistaking human good for divine good. I am recognizing human good as the aspect of our nature that reflects the image of God, who is good.
Human nature is either the result of our original creation, or the result of the Fall. I don’t think that the good in our human nature can have arisen out of the Fall, so I conclude that it is that aspect of our original nature that our sin does not, and can not, fully overwhelm.
Dr. Paul Foltz on 27 Feb 2009 at 6:29 pm #
Vance;
Human good is a minus righteousness, unacceptable to God-See
ISAIAH 64;6. HUMAN GOOD DOES NOT EQUAL DIVINE GOOD.
THAT’S WHY THE BOOKS ARE OPENED IN REV20;11-15. It will be shown that;
1. man’s good works cannot save
2. to determine degree of punishment-Luke 12;48.
Brian on 09 Mar 2009 at 1:53 pm #
Out of context much?
ISAIAH 64:6 is a comparison of “good”. Man’s “good” does not compare with God’s good. It does not speak to the innate value of a person, or the value that God places our heads. Ditto for Rev 20 and Luke 12
This is where the “1st Point” falls on it’s face. While man is depraved, to an extent, we have infinite value to God, hence he paid the ultimate price to purchase us.