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	<title>Comments on: Why I am Not Charismatic (Part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8558</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I simply share what I have learned from the Bible.  No extra revelation and no new knowledge but simply the Bible as a base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8558" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8558', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8558-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I simply share what I have learned from the Bible.  No extra revelation and no new knowledge but simply the Bible as a base.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8557</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not arrogrant and I am not God.  Never mind!  Should I say I share the truth to you&#039;ll about the Bible.  Sharing the truth is simply showing love to Christians.  Nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8557" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8557', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8557-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I am not arrogrant and I am not God.  Never mind!  Should I say I share the truth to you&#8217;ll about the Bible.  Sharing the truth is simply showing love to Christians.  Nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Robinson</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8556</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, I think it might be time to hang the conversation up.  The conversation seems to be going around circles and the comments are becoming accusatory, which goes against the grain of the blog rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8556" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8556', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8556-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Guys, I think it might be time to hang the conversation up.  The conversation seems to be going around circles and the comments are becoming accusatory, which goes against the grain of the blog rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8555</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,
YOUR going to present us with the FULL Truth of the Bible????  Can&#039;t you see how arrogant that statement is???  The only person who has the ability to understand the true fullness of the Bible and everything that is contained within it is God Himself.  The rest of us our mere mortals who see in a &quot;mirror dimly&quot; and grasp at understanding the Bible as best we can.  Unless you are claiming to be God I suggest you retract your statement about revealing to us the full Truth of the Bible because it is blasphemous for a man to make such a claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8555" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8555', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8555-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Jonathan,<br />
YOUR going to present us with the FULL Truth of the Bible????  Can&#8217;t you see how arrogant that statement is???  The only person who has the ability to understand the true fullness of the Bible and everything that is contained within it is God Himself.  The rest of us our mere mortals who see in a &#8220;mirror dimly&#8221; and grasp at understanding the Bible as best we can.  Unless you are claiming to be God I suggest you retract your statement about revealing to us the full Truth of the Bible because it is blasphemous for a man to make such a claim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8554</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.  Indeed Bible contains a full range of knowledge for us to know.

When the day comes that I present to you the full truth of the Bible, you will  acknowledge God has given us bountifully spiritual knowledge in the Bible.

However, when the time comes you receive my notes pertaining to the truth of the Bible, the glory and the crown should be granted to God and not to me since God is the one that grants us the Bible and I am just the vessel that is used by God for His purpose.

Nothing could be boasted about me whether my wisdom, knowledge and etc.  Apart from God, I could do nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8554" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8554', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8554-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I agree with you.  Indeed Bible contains a full range of knowledge for us to know.</p>
<p>When the day comes that I present to you the full truth of the Bible, you will  acknowledge God has given us bountifully spiritual knowledge in the Bible.</p>
<p>However, when the time comes you receive my notes pertaining to the truth of the Bible, the glory and the crown should be granted to God and not to me since God is the one that grants us the Bible and I am just the vessel that is used by God for His purpose.</p>
<p>Nothing could be boasted about me whether my wisdom, knowledge and etc.  Apart from God, I could do nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: mbaker</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8553</link>
		<dc:creator>mbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan CHM,

I am not understanding why you keep talking about the end of the world when this post is specifically discussing the spiritual gifts and whether they continue or not.

Two entirely different subjects.

For the sake of him and the rest of us who are interested in spiritual gifts,  I would suggest you go to the archives and check out Michael&#039;s other posts, if you are so concerned, because this end times stuff has nothing  to do with this particular discussion.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8553" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8553', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8553-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Jonathan CHM,</p>
<p>I am not understanding why you keep talking about the end of the world when this post is specifically discussing the spiritual gifts and whether they continue or not.</p>
<p>Two entirely different subjects.</p>
<p>For the sake of him and the rest of us who are interested in spiritual gifts,  I would suggest you go to the archives and check out Michael&#8217;s other posts, if you are so concerned, because this end times stuff has nothing  to do with this particular discussion.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-5/#comment-8552</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,
You are the epitome of an arrogant, self righteous individual.  What on Earth makes you think you understand the Bible better than any of us.  Do you assume we haven&#039;t read the Bible??? Can you read Greek and Hebrew???  Do you have some special, direct revelation from God that has informed you of Truth&#039;s that no one else knows???  Have you even been to seminary???  Have you carefully studied the history and culture in which the Bible was written???

All you seem to do is aimlessly and mindlessly quote verses without having a clue what they actually mean.  Furthermore you often use verses in the context of issues those verses were never intended to address.  You may know what the words in the Bible are, but when it comes to being able to understand the Bible and know what it means you haven&#039;t got and clue and are not any better then those you claim to be against.  You just have taken different verses out of context then them.  So stop apologizing with this &quot;I quote directly from the Bible&quot; crap.  I can quote verses from the Bible to prove just about anything I want to.  One must understand the WHOLE counsel of scripture the form an accurate theology, not just proof texted verse snippets.

Now I apologize if I hurt your feelings, but I&#039;m fed up with your continual self aggrandizement, arrogance, and talking down to the rest of us as if we don&#039;t know the Bible because we disagree with you.  You are not the final arbiter of what the Bible means and meaning is what matters, not simply the words on the page.  Those of us who disagree with you have read the Bible just as much as you and love the Bible just as much as you.  We are well aware of what it says, but we disagree on what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8552" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8552', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8552-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Jonathan,<br />
You are the epitome of an arrogant, self righteous individual.  What on Earth makes you think you understand the Bible better than any of us.  Do you assume we haven&#8217;t read the Bible??? Can you read Greek and Hebrew???  Do you have some special, direct revelation from God that has informed you of Truth&#8217;s that no one else knows???  Have you even been to seminary???  Have you carefully studied the history and culture in which the Bible was written???</p>
<p>All you seem to do is aimlessly and mindlessly quote verses without having a clue what they actually mean.  Furthermore you often use verses in the context of issues those verses were never intended to address.  You may know what the words in the Bible are, but when it comes to being able to understand the Bible and know what it means you haven&#8217;t got and clue and are not any better then those you claim to be against.  You just have taken different verses out of context then them.  So stop apologizing with this &#8220;I quote directly from the Bible&#8221; crap.  I can quote verses from the Bible to prove just about anything I want to.  One must understand the WHOLE counsel of scripture the form an accurate theology, not just proof texted verse snippets.</p>
<p>Now I apologize if I hurt your feelings, but I&#8217;m fed up with your continual self aggrandizement, arrogance, and talking down to the rest of us as if we don&#8217;t know the Bible because we disagree with you.  You are not the final arbiter of what the Bible means and meaning is what matters, not simply the words on the page.  Those of us who disagree with you have read the Bible just as much as you and love the Bible just as much as you.  We are well aware of what it says, but we disagree on what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-4/#comment-8551</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, May be I am wrong without having broader understanding of Chsriamtic people and now I apologize.

As I mention earlier, the above serves as knowledge and advice.  If this does not exist, it is fine.

The broader is our knowledge, we would take heed of what is wrong for the extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8551" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8551', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8551-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Michael, May be I am wrong without having broader understanding of Chsriamtic people and now I apologize.</p>
<p>As I mention earlier, the above serves as knowledge and advice.  If this does not exist, it is fine.</p>
<p>The broader is our knowledge, we would take heed of what is wrong for the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-4/#comment-8550</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any statistics to indicate how many people die a year from intentionally getting bitten by snakes believing that they would be saved by a miracle???  I&#039;d be willing to bet more people make the ridiculous claim that they themselves are Jesus Christ every year then die in this manner.  Furthermore one could argue that these people were sinning by doing what they did because they were &quot;testing God&quot; which we are warned against.

The greater point though is that just because there are a few crackpots in the Charismatic movement who decide to play with snakes in no way allows you to indict the whole movement.  Yet this is exactly what you have done.  You have, without evidence, accused an entire movement of millions of people of heresy based on the actions of a few nut jobs who the majority disagree with.  To me this borders on the slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8550" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8550', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8550-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>Do you have any statistics to indicate how many people die a year from intentionally getting bitten by snakes believing that they would be saved by a miracle???  I&#8217;d be willing to bet more people make the ridiculous claim that they themselves are Jesus Christ every year then die in this manner.  Furthermore one could argue that these people were sinning by doing what they did because they were &#8220;testing God&#8221; which we are warned against.</p>
<p>The greater point though is that just because there are a few crackpots in the Charismatic movement who decide to play with snakes in no way allows you to indict the whole movement.  Yet this is exactly what you have done.  You have, without evidence, accused an entire movement of millions of people of heresy based on the actions of a few nut jobs who the majority disagree with.  To me this borders on the slander.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan CHM</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/12/why-i-am-not-charismatic-part-1/comment-page-4/#comment-8549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan CHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if my words have hurt anybody but I quote verses directly from the Bible.

Indeed I have many spiritual knowledges have to impart to you&#039;ll but that there&#039;s a fear of any misunderstatanding of me to bring in criticism or rather I would prefer you&#039;ll  to browse through my future notes that would be out a number of years later so as to enable you&#039;ll to have broader knowledge about the Bible.

I am not bringing any new revelation or new knowledge to you&#039;ll, but simply quote directly the words of God from the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like or Dislike: <img style="padding: 0px; border: none; cursor: pointer;" onmouseover="this.width=this.width*1.3" onmouseout="this.width=this.width/1.2" id="up-8549" src="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/images/1_14_up.png" alt="Thumb up" onclick="javascript:ckratingKarma('8549', 'add', 'www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/', '1_14_');" title="Thumb up" /> <span id="karma-8549-up" style="font-size:12px; color:#009933;">0</span></p><p>I apologize if my words have hurt anybody but I quote verses directly from the Bible.</p>
<p>Indeed I have many spiritual knowledges have to impart to you&#8217;ll but that there&#8217;s a fear of any misunderstatanding of me to bring in criticism or rather I would prefer you&#8217;ll  to browse through my future notes that would be out a number of years later so as to enable you&#8217;ll to have broader knowledge about the Bible.</p>
<p>I am not bringing any new revelation or new knowledge to you&#8217;ll, but simply quote directly the words of God from the Bible.</p>
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