I'm Not Fit for Ministry
I live with the fear that someone will discover that I am not fit for ministry. Wait, I am getting ahead of myself . . .
January 2000. I have just been hired as an intern at Stonebriar Community Church. I still have a year left at Dallas Theological Seminary, but my excitement is far beyond anything I could have ever imagined six years ago when I began to think about ministry. My life had not been one of a minister in preparation by any means. It was a fun, selfish, sinfun, and “I’ll deal with you later Lord” type life . You can read about it here. However, now things were different. The constant adrenaline that the idea of full-time service for the Lord was enough to keep my mind off my past failures. Watching Braveheart in 1995 seventeen times at the theater fueled my motivation. I thought to myself If I could just give my life for something bigger than myself like William Wallace did then contentment would be found in sacrifice. This was the road I was on. Excited, motivated, hopeful, and ready to change lives, I was now working for Chuck Swindoll, my hero.
The internship at Stonebriar Community Church for small groups turned into an internship for missions and outreach. This was good. I was going to set the example of one who was passionate for God. I was going to catch the eye of those around me. They were going to look at me and say to themselves Now that is what a young minister should be like. Maybe even Chuck Swindoll would call me into his office and commend my passions and service. Maybe Chuck would become my mentor.
I graduated in 2001 with a Th.M. from Dallas Theological Seminary. That is a theological masters—yes masters. From their standpoint I was a jedi of theology. Would others take notice? They would have to. Not only this, but I won awards for service and teaching from the seminary and graduated at the top of my class. I was ordained into the ministry by the elders of Stonebriar Community Church in May of 2001. Chuck preached a sermon that was devoted just to me (well, there were three others who were ordained, but he was looking at me most of the time). Chuck and the elders laid their hands on me as I was on my knees whispering prayers, words of encouragement, and warnings in my ear.
Now, I was totally prepared and confirmed for ministry. I am on full-time pastoral staff at Stonebriar Community Church. My past was under my feet and I was turning my foot on it like a discarded cigarette.
Sitting in my office not long after this I was preparing a lesson while dreaming about what The Theology Program could become when I got a phone call that would put me in my place.
“David wants to meet with you.” These were the words of my administrative assistant Lynn.
“He says that you two should go to lunch to talk.”
David Chavanne was the senior associate pastor. He was just below Chuck on the totem pole. Now you would think from what I have said so far that I would pridefully strut to this lunch date expecting nothing but the best. But this was not the case. The only feeling I had that moment was one of overwhelming fear, shame, and sadness. The first thought that came to my mind was They have found me out. The thoughts went on. The gig is up; Time to pack my bags and move on; I should have known better than to think this was the Lord’s will. What was I thinking? Who did I think I was fooling? I am not fit for ministry. With these thoughts, that day I came to realize that I was not quite so sure of my calling as I led others and myself to believe. My subconscious insecurity was now part of my ministry and my life.
Now, what you must know is that there was not anything in particular that I thought they found out about. There was no secret sin that I was hiding about which I believed was the reason for the meeting. It was just me. They found out about me. They knew I was a fraud, and this phone call brought this fact to my own conscious. Whether they had seen my past or my present, they would realize that they had made a mistake in ordaining and hiring me.
Off I went to meet David with plans to accept the collective wisdom of the elders and begin to think more seriously about what God really wanted me to do. I imagined that the elders had a troublesome meeting and David was sent to dish out the bad news with as much sensitivity as he could.
I don’t even remember what the meeting was about, but it was not about their discovery of the real Michael Patton as I had supposed. It was either about some administrative issues or simply a “let’s get to know each other” type of meeting. I was “safe”—for now.
The feelings of secret anxiety that this surfaced that day have been with me ever since. Over the next few years, every time that one of my superiors in the ministry would call a meeting or invite me to lunch, the same thoughts would resurface. Have they found me out this time? Well, either way, it is just a matter of time.
Laying in my bed one night I began to think about what I will do when someone actually does find me out. As I thought about all the alternatives, I came to an important discovery about my passions—they were real. Even if I feel totally inadequate to serve and represent the Lord, this is what I would do. Whether I work at a bank, return to the fitness industry, or find a new career all-together, I would find a way to minister. Those were my thoughts. In my mind I was already planning how to continue in the ministry, spreading the magnificent message of the majesty of God and His mercy, no matter where I was at. I told the Lord that night that I don’t care what I do, I will serve and love You.
Over the next few years I began to talk to other ministers about my phobia and insecurity. To my surprise, most of those in ministry, whether they had just started or been there for years, expressed the exact same feelings. While I thought I was coming to them to confess my fears, I found this fear was common for all those who serve the Lord. We all have a deep sense of inadequacy. As I would talk about this with other ministers, I came to a deeper understanding of the grace of God. Is it that radical? Yes, I think it is. Radical enough to use you even though He has already found you out—even though you are inadequate and not fit for ministry.
Am I inadequate for ministry? Yes. So are you. We all are. If you have the “I’m not fit for ministry” syndrome, you are in good company. In fact, I have come to fear those who don’t have this syndrome. We know ourselves better than anyone. We know who we really are. We are intimately acquainted with our past failures and present struggles. These are not pretty. We are often selfish and many times prideful. We will let people down. We doubt and are scared, and we are not really as smart as we think. Laments are the norm rather than praise. In short, we are sinful.
If we are self-reflective, we will constantly be questioning our legitimacy. When we are at out best—when we are the most fit for ministry—we turn to God’s grace to supply us with confidence. He is our adequacy. Our commitment to Him is always mediated through our sinfulness. I am learning to live with “I’m not fit for ministry” syndrome. I think Paul did the same when he referred to himself in the present tense as the “chief of sinners.”
1 Timothy 1:15 15: “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
Paul learned to live with this syndrome relying on God’s grace. Chuck Swindoll once said during a sermon, “If you really knew the person sitting next to you, you would not sit next to them and if you really knew me, you would not listen to me.” I think this is true for all of us.
May God’s grace be our confidence as we grow in a body of sin and inadequacy.
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Joey L. Taylor on 30 Dec 2008 at 7:50 pm #
i recently am coming to the point that you were at in 2000 except in this case my elders actually did call me out (and are still calling me out). they are working really hard with me and mentoring and discipling me very intentionally. the only difference is that i was believing that i was all that and didn’t know that i was a fraud til this process (praise god for the body, huh). all that to say, thanks so much for the ministry of this blog, its my favorite blog that i subscribe to (i don’t say that to flatter, its just true) and i really appreciate the honesty and rawness that you bring combined with responsible biblical handling.
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Rick Martin on 30 Dec 2008 at 8:01 pm #
OMG*!! I thought I was among the few, very few, who had such feelings! In fact, I’m looking for the link between that feeling-or realization, MY OWN brand of “crying for no reason,” and depression (the self-destructive type). “…God’s grace” [will HAVE to] “be our confidence as we grow in a body of sin and inadequacy” that is felt often to the core of my being. i’m enrolled in TTP for the Jan. 2009 “Intro…” and i hope that growing in understanding why I think of God the way I do, will help alleviate some of the anguish. Regardless, I’m actually looking forward to something-unlike I ever have before.
*O-ma-gosh
Lisa Robinson on 30 Dec 2008 at 8:48 pm #
I have heard so many times this past semester “you are a leader, if you are here, you are a leader”. That’s when I begin the laundry list of the “but what about…” But then I think, it is about Him and He will use even the base things, the unlikely things, the weaknesses…for His glory. The more I fear my insecurities, challenges and weaknesses, the more I make it about me.
I love the story about Moses and how God wanted to use Him to deliver His people. Moses was so focused on his inability and God had to let Him know it wasn’t about Moses but God’s ability and His plan.
Shane Vander Hart on 30 Dec 2008 at 8:59 pm #
Amen Michael.
This post reminds me of 1 Corinthians 12:9, in that God’s grace is sufficient for us for His power is made perfect in weakness. True for ministry, true for life. When we forget it is God who is working in and through us that is when we truly run into problems.
Dale Burke in his book Less Is More Leadership has a quote that I keep in my office. “God is Omni-Everything. I am omni-nothing.” I helps me keep my perspective.
Have a Happy New Year!
Jeremy Lucarelli on 30 Dec 2008 at 9:02 pm #
Thanks for your transparency and honesty. I, too, have wrestled with the phobia you so eloquently addressed. I’m at the place where I’ve gone back to school to finish my MDiv getting some ministry experience under my belt. The Lord has used it and experiences to level me… making me that much more appreciative of the constancy of grace. Currently, I’m studying Jeremiah inductively. Same story as Moses… except in the same breath that he was called, Jeremiah was told that it wasn’t going to go very well for him.
Thanks for your blog.
Daniel Eaton on 30 Dec 2008 at 9:51 pm #
I’m more worried about the guy that thinks he IS fit for ministry and has all the answers than I am someone that knows that they are just a humble vessel.
D.
Charles on 30 Dec 2008 at 10:02 pm #
Michael, I honestly thought I was the only only one with these dreadful feelings of “unfitness.” This desire to serve and serve with my whole heart is so strong and yet there is that nagging knowledge that there are great regions of my heart that are not subordinated to Him. There are things I cling to that I don’t really want or need that do not honor God. Thank you for your honesty.
Charles
CT on 31 Dec 2008 at 12:34 am #
“Am I inadequate for ministry? Yes. So are you. We all are.”
Admirable post. Some of these sentiments are undoubtedly felt by folks in other professions as well. I wonder, however, if there are special reasons for feelings of inadequacy in Christian ministry (of the sort discussed here). Any thoughts on how Christian ministry might compare in this regard to, for example, undergraduate teaching in a public university?
Truth Unites... and Divides on 31 Dec 2008 at 2:35 am #
Good authentic and encouraging post for all Christians.
Nathanimal on 31 Dec 2008 at 3:43 am #
I’m convinced that those who are actively pursuing holiness or have ambitions to lead will inevitably find solace in others. I have never been fit for ministry. I have what some would call a ministry quality, but that never qualified me according to God. Every time I pursued ministry in the so-called professional sense, God would hit the eject button and I would try to figure out where I was going to land. On course—then off to nowhere. This has been my lot. I look like I fit the part, but never truly fit in anywhere. I have come to accept my inadequacy. When my efforts to fit in were fully nullified, I finally said to hell with it. I’m strange. Somewhat affable, but then strange. I was always too transparent for folks to feel comfortable around me. I think I made them feel inadequate. I was tired of feeling this way. I could always find a way to fit in, but I just couldn’t keep it up. I had to be myself. I just didn’t care what others thought anymore, I wanted to but was just too fatigued and didn’t have the strength to pull it off. Although, I do think it was a combination of things that led up to this realization.
When I accepted that I wouldn’t fit in, I started to fit in. What? When I realized that I could not maintain a facade, I felt a 2-ton gorilla jump off my back. It was a sobering time. I think what tipped the scales for me was listening to others in the faith that voiced their own struggles. People much more “qualified” than I was were sharing intimate details of their inadequacy. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. It gave me so much joy to hear them share. I was becoming refreshed and renewed.
I made it clear to myself and to God that I was never going to be a professional. Whatever that looked like. But I was going to keep trusting God. As I began to pull back from my ministry ambitions, and lost interest in trying to be somebody important, God started to use me in ministry. It was weird. At times I’ve been tempted to pretend to be someone else because of assumed expectations, but I just don’t care anymore. If the church kicks me out because I ain’t perfect then so be it. I’d rather please God than man. And I’m saying this out of fear of God. I think he doesn’t get much glory when we look good. I believe he gets incredible praise when born-again believers show their inadequacy. Not to flaunt it, but to be real and normal. Not living up to others expectations. My brothers and sisters in Christ have helped acclimate me to this understanding. But the road has been turbulent. I don’t think this understanding comes by accident. I believe it is a gift of God to his children. How anyone can live life as a professional christian is beyond me. I see much more power from God when we acknowledge our inadequacy and dependency on him. I really think this is part of the plan to tell you truth. Plus it really strips us of our pride, accolades and selfish ambition. To God be the glory!
Leslie on 31 Dec 2008 at 5:26 am #
I am truly unfit for ministry. Very few that know me know this. Thanks, Michael, for the encouragement for me to step into 2009 with the realization that it is His grace alone that allows me to be in the ministry, though He has found me out!
BTW, happy 2009!
mike d on 31 Dec 2008 at 8:04 am #
As someone in the baby stages of pursuing a life of Ministry and already has wondered if he’s legit this is a great encouragement…thanks
Carol on 31 Dec 2008 at 8:27 am #
Forgetting those things which are behind….
Nick on 31 Dec 2008 at 9:40 am #
I consider this one of the most helpful posts I’ve ever read as I wrestle with this kind of thing constantly and sometimes sitting at my job, I’ll look at things like the sins of the past or the inadequacies of me in the present and think “Who are you kidding?” It’s really helpful to see someone come out like this who is in the kind of position I long to be in and say that they know what it’s like.
Looking forward to January 15th also Michael?
ScottL on 31 Dec 2008 at 12:19 pm #
Thanks Michael. The past 6 months have been very similar for me – knowing my complete inadequacies. God have mercy on us when we think we have it all figured out.
T. Michael Cart on 31 Dec 2008 at 12:27 pm #
Brother,
This is an issue very, very close to my heart. I am passionate about it to the point of having written an entire book about the subject. Look, we are all ministers…every last believer. The time and sacrifice it takes to earn an advanced seminary degree, while admirable and useful, is not the qualifying element. Nope. By virtue of being justified, by faith, is it. That’s all. You are totally qualified as a regular, garden variety believer, to minister to others. Nobody can revoke the annointing that the God of the universe placed on you from the foundations of time…period. Sure, your right to associate and operate in a particular organization might be at stake. However, they simply do not have the authority to disqualify you from your God-given purpose any more than a degree gives you the right to minister to others.
Look, I’ll leave you with this scriptural masterpiece, involving competence:
“Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God.”
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”
-2 Corinthians 3:5-6
And who wrote this? Why…the self proclaimed worst of sinners did. Awhile back, I wrote a post titled “God Is The Boss Of Me” that you may find helpful.
http://www.truthinministry.org/node/30
Peace, brother.
T. Michael Cart
T.R.U.T.H. in Ministry
http://www.truthinministry.org
davidbmc on 31 Dec 2008 at 7:41 pm #
I’ve always known I was sludge.
When I was in accounting I remember a Senior Partner in one of the big 3 acctg firms saying he woke every morning and looked in the mirror and thought, “I wonder if today is the day they’ll realize I’m a fraud.”
He didn’t mean he was doing anything wrong. He just felt inadequate. I don’t think these feelings are isolated to ministry. But those feelings can certainly be heightened there.
prjct on 01 Jan 2009 at 7:11 am #
Another wonderful post Michael…..I continue to be amazed as I read more and more about you dude……….who woulda thought????
Eh?
roger olson on 01 Jan 2009 at 10:56 am #
I agree Mike, you’re not fit for ministry.
Nathanimal on 01 Jan 2009 at 5:42 pm #
[opening encrypted message]
Sorry mike, the gig is up, Olson found you out.
It was only a matter of time. I wouldn’t beat yourself up about it since agent Olson is their best guy. Well, time to fire up our contingency plan.
Plan Notes:
Scratch off internet ministry, retreat to bat cave and go underground for a few years, then change name to….[Jon Hancock]
Tattoo pic of all-seeing-eye pyramid on back of neck. Contact Rhome to facilitate project holy war. Then retrieve old contact list to exploit their weaknesses and program them for new operation. Then await further instruction. Oh, and remember, when you come to see me make sure you wear the big rubber ducky costume since we are trying to stay covert.
This plan is a sure-fire, I think we can do it man!
C Michael Patton on 01 Jan 2009 at 6:07 pm #
But . . . I always wear the rubber ducky costum. Wouldn’t it be more covert if I don’t wear it?
roger e. olson on 01 Jan 2009 at 6:29 pm #
You wear it because someone other than you has decided that you will wear it.
I am soooooo glad ya’ll responded back in this fashion! This was funny! Most theologians, you do consider yourselves “theos” don’t you? (not the Greek Theos, but little t (slang).
AS I entered your “live chat” section, panic occured and you could hear the beginning of a stampede towards the door! Then everything wen silent. I detected a whisper here and there then slowly, ever so slowly they began to check me out!
Let me assure everyone. I am Roger E. Olson, but I’m the one that graduated from DTS. I’ve never been to Bethel. ut it sure has been fun sharing the same name.
I’m beginning to wonder something though. I use the DTS MOL but no one seems to want to respond back to me. I wa beginning to think that it was the picture I included with my
resume, but then decided … NAH!
MIke, Nathanimal, keep up the good work of not always taking this stuff so serioulsy. I loved it! Thanks again!
Nathanimal on 01 Jan 2009 at 8:44 pm #
[descrambling eggs...ahem...message]
Mike, we understand your concern. But according to our pawns over at the research facility, 2011 will be year of the duck. You will be resurfacing that year. Yes, I know its hard to believe, so let me brief you.
The last few years has proved difficult for the duck. Apparently, their nemesis, the bunny has bullied them into hiding. So duck rights activist are already planning major funding and support for ducky. Since everyone will be pro-duck your identity will be concealed.
By the way, our first choice was that bunny suit we used to cover up that scandal with the energizer batteries awhile back. But since bunnies will be pushed into hard manual labor in a few years (replacing the hamsters currently running our best technology) the bunny suit would actually make you a target. You’d be the only furry critter amongst a nation of anti-bunny-pro-duck-rubber-charismaniacs.
We knew you’d understand. Aside this, me and the guys will be doing a lot of duck hunting before the “duck-loving-quacks” take over. Thought we’d let you before it was too late.
John on 03 Jan 2009 at 2:33 pm #
What timing. On Wednesday, I begin leading my AWANA group. Nothing scares me more than being “in charge” of a bunch of kids! Nevertheless, this is where the Lord has been leading, and circumstances, not my own drive, has led me there.
I’ve been battling doubt and inadequacy for a month now waiting for this to happen. Our Lord is gracious in His timing, to be sure.
While I keep telling myself that inadequacy is the right place to be in service for the Lord, and the others I talk to say the same thing, it’s encouraging to see another put it in such words. Thanks, Michael, for your insightful post.
John
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JeannieM on 05 Jan 2009 at 4:10 am #
Dear Michael,
Once I expected all Christian leaders to be perfect, that was when I was on my mountain of faith. I was feeling good about my relationship with God, walking on a cloud of joy. Then on day my little cloud evaporated or something and I’ve been struggling ever since with a horrible monster within. I try to beat him back and sometimes win, but often he rears up his ugly head and gets the best of me. I used to think that I was alone in this struggle. I couldn’t even pray because I thought that God wouldn’t want me to come before him with the feelings raging inside of me. When someone like you admits to being less than perfect it gives me hope. Hope that I too, can reclaim my joy of not being a perfect Christian, but joy of knowing that in spite of everything, God loves me just as I am. Thank you for sharing the testimony of your life. I only think better of you (It really doesn’t matter what I think, all that matters is what God thinks).
Jeannie
Steven Long on 05 Jan 2009 at 9:29 am #
Thank you, Mr. Patton
Dr Denis O'Callaghan on 05 Jan 2009 at 11:55 am #
Yes, if we are honest to God and sensitive to the spirit we all should and do feel the way you have described the feelings that you had.
After more than 35+ years I still tremble over even the slightest imperfection, which I believe is what our Father uses to keep us humble. Or as One of my deacons once prayed in a prayer meeting. “God , you keep him humble and we’ll keep him poor”!
Tim Kimberley on 05 Jan 2009 at 1:21 pm #
Thank you Michael for your confession. Augustine would smile. 9 months into the pastorate I have felt these feelings many times and have received some of those tough conversations from elders. Thanks brother for your encouraging honesty.
A book I have enjoyed along these lines is Leading with a Limp by Dan Allender.
roger e. olson on 05 Jan 2009 at 4:36 pm #
Another great book for this topic is “It only hurts on Mondays”
Michael, I think you’ve touched some hearts out here! thanks
Edward T. Babinski on 05 Jan 2009 at 7:02 pm #
I am not a Christian, I used to be.
But I can still identify with a feeling of inadequacy, wanting to communicate better, make people feel happier or more at ease, wondering if I’ve said the wrong word at times.
Same goes for being called into a superior’s office. You never know what they might say, and I tend to fear the worst at times when it’s not like that at all.
I suspect that most people with a job and a supervisor feel that way.
Though when one’s innermost faith IS one’s job, I imagine the feeling is magnified.
No longer being a Christian I now look at Christianity and its practices as many Christians look at cults and cult leaders, though without fearing that the cult leader is leading people to “eternal hell.” Christianity and its practices now seem less real, more contrived, than living life without Christianity. I see Christians putting on airs for Christ, exclaiming Christ with every breath while claiming they are acting humbly, but
their egos are so connected with Christ and passing along their own beleifs in Christ that they don’t even realize they are acting out of ego. They blame family and friends for not believing as they do, always sticking in some warning, or plea, or telling people to their face, “I’m praying for you,” instead of keeping such information to themselves.
Or they remind people how much “Christians” have suffered, while people are suffering all around the world for a wide variety of reasons, some due to nature, some due to government persecution of rival political and religious views, some due to inter-religious rivalries.
Christians proclaim they have done things “for Christ” thus advancing their own egos which are so tied up with “the kingdom of Christ.”
This identification of one’s soul with “Christ” seems to provide the ultimate excuse to boast about one’s beliefs while at the same time claiming you’re only boasting out of “humble service to your Lord.”
And all of that has got to lead to some surprising mental gymnastics that can exacerbate feelings of inadequacy among other emotional reactions.
Personally, I suspect that atheism as a movement doesn’t have the strength a lot of Christian groups do as a movement is because most atheists, agnostics, doubters, etc., do not truly identify themselves with their beliefs or with a label or with a symbol, and hence don’t feel obliged to have to boast about it to others out of “humility.” A lot of non-Christians want to learn, love and live life, not listen to “atheist music” or go to “atheist churches,” and “atheist rallies.” But in any society in which one group takes heated control of the verbal podium, such as Christians do with radio stations, TV stations, churches on every block, billboards, Sunday ministerial columns, and only a single Congressperson in Washington admitting they are an “atheist,” then in such a society, a backlash seems inevitable, especially in a country with freedom of belief. So some atheist bestsellers have appeared and atheists are meeting at coffee houses via meetup.com, and atheistic campus groups are forming. But such people are more interested in rationally discussing the issues of the day than in calling themselves by any particular name, and I’ve seen everything from liberal Christians, process theologians, deists, and agnostics at “atheist” groups.
Edward T. Babinski on 05 Jan 2009 at 7:02 pm #
QUOTATIONS ON CHRISTIANS AND “INADEQUACY” (Or in some cases “OVER-ADEQUACY”–THE EGO BOOSTING POWER OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY)
One of Christianity’s chief offenses is not that it has enlisted the services of bad men, but that it has misdirected the energies of good ones. The kindly, the sensitive, the thoughtful, those who are striving to do their best under its influence, are troubled, and consequently often develop a more or less morbid frame of mind. The biographies of the best men in Christian history offer many melancholy examples of the extent to which they have falsely accused themselves of sins during their “unconverted” state, and the manner in which harmless actions are magnified into deadly offenses.
Chapman Cohen, Essays in Freethinking
ON “REVIVALS”
In the days of my youth, ministers depended on revivals to save souls and reform the world. The emotional sermons, the sad singing, the hysterical “Amens,” the hope of heaven, the fear of hell, caused many to lose what little sense they had. In this condition they flocked to the “mourner’s bench”–asked for prayers of the faithful–had strange feelings, prayed, and wept and thought they had been “born again.” Then they would tell their experiences–how wicked they had been, how evil had been their thoughts, their desires, and how good they had suddenly become.
They used to tell the story of an old woman who, in telling her experience, said, “Before I was converted, before I gave my heart to God, I used to lie and steal, but now, thanks to the grace and blood of Jesus Christ, I have quit ‘em both, in a great measure.”
Well, while the cold winter lasted, while the snows fell, the revival went on, but when the winter was over, the boats moved in the harbor again, the wagons rolled, and business started again, most of the converts “backslid” and fell again into their old ways. But the next winter they were on hand again, read to be “born again.” They formed a kind of stock company, playing the same parts every winter and backsliding every spring.
I regard revivals as essentially barbaric. The fire that has to be blown all the time is a poor thing to get warm by. I think they do no good but much harm; they make innocent people think they are guilty, and very mean people think they are good.
Robert Ingersoll, “Why I am An Agnostic”
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I had what I consider a “spiritual epiphany” regarding “evangelicalism” in high school when a group of friends and I drove to an evangelistic rally and heard the preacher rail on and on against the evils of drinking, smoking, and other things. The evangelist was a spectacular showman and implored the audience to take heed, come forward, let go of any liquor bottles or packs of cigarettes in their possession, repent, and sin no more with God’s power. Each word of the evangelist blazed with the certainty that God would heal His people’s sinful ways and a choir was singing with trumpets blaring and the audience grew very excited. My friends all deposited their packs of cigarettes on the growing pile in the center of the rally and prayed with the ushers and pleaded with me to do so as well for the good of my soul.
I refused.
No sooner had the emotion-filled rally ended, no sooner had we traveled a few blocks in our car, than my friends bummed cigarettes off me.
Dr. Charles B. (as told to E.T.B. 7/18/06)
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HOW DIFFERENT ARE MOST “CONVERTED” PEOPLE?
Were it true that a converted man as such is of an entirely different kind from a natural man, there surely ought to be some distinctive radiance. But notoriously there is no such radiance. Converted men as a class are indistinguishable from normal men.
By the very intensity of his fidelity to the paltry ideals with which an inferior intellect may inspire him, a saint can be even more objectionable and damnable than a superficial “carnal” man would be in the same situation.
William James, The Varieties of Religious Experience
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HOW TO SPOT CHRISTIANS
One Sunday afternoon my cousin and I were eating at a restaurant. He paused, and started pointing at people. “He’s a Christian… He’s a Christian… So is she, and she, and that other guy.”
I asked how he was so sure.
His reply? “I was a hard-core Evangelical Christian for a few years, remember? It’s not hard to see once you know what to look for. Look for someone who looks like they’re wearing clothes just a little bit nicer than they’re comfortable in, that have a smile on their face. It won’t look like a happy smile, it’ll look kind of contrived and forced, like they’re trying to convince themselves they’re happy and rich.”
Justice McPherson
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Many of the most cordial Christians either hum hymns or listen to contemporary Christian music, or repeat Scripture in their heads, and wonder what they can do next to make someone think that they’re a “good little Christian.”
I used to do the same thing, and now people wonder why I do not shower them with praise and gifts to make them think that I am a “good little Christian.” I used to go to people’s houses and work and they would try to pay me, But No! I would not take a dime, because I wanted to emblazon on their brains the idea that I was a “good little Christian.” (The “people-pleasing-for-Christ” part of my life ended over 15 years ago.) That’s what many Christians are, people pleasers, God pleasers, Jesus pleasers, preacher pleasers.
Jesus was a people pleaser, that’s why he was so willing to die, either to please God or his ignorant followers.
Ben at http://www.exchristian.net/ [edited by E.T.B.]
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CONVERTED OR ADDICTED?
Psychotherapists will tell you that in dealing with an addict, you have to understand that the person’s primary relationship is with the drug. The drug has the ability to control the addict’s thinking to a remarkable degree, and you must understand that any relationship you may feel with the addict is a distant second to the one they have with their drug. The most devout Evangelical Christians are open and unabashed about this. Their “relationship with Jesus” as they use the term, is the primary relationship in their lives. There is even a scripture that goes something like, “Not unless you hate your mother and father can you be my disciple,” and, “Who are my mother and father? But he who hears and words of God and does them.” Jesus even suggested to one disciple that he ought not return home to help bury a dead family member, instead he ought to “Let the dead bury the dead.” In other words, Evangelicals stress that one’s love for Jesus ought to be so strong that relatively speaking, one’s love for even close family members, must not compare. You may love your mother but you should love Jesus so much more that in comparison it’s like you hate her. Doesn’t this sound an awful lot like a drunk’s love for the bottle?
It may be helpful when trying to have a relationship with a believer to remember that you and their relationship with you means very little to them compared to their need to continue in their thought addiction. In fact “true believers” may happily sacrifice a relationship with their own spouses or children should those family members refuse to convert, or become “unbelievers.” In such cases the “true believer” feels they are making the ultimate sacrifice in “serving God rather than man.”
Evangelical beliefs may promise you comfort, security and power just like the ads for alcohol link its consumption with sexiness, sports activities, and a rippin’ good time, but the promises in both cases often grow sour as the addict grows more hardened and insistent.
Some people have an instant “conversion” to alcoholism. They take their first drink, or have their first good drunk and understand (in the words of a very young alcoholic client I once had) “This (drinking) is what I was put on this world to do.”
For some people their religion is an illness they are trying to recover from and the recovery process is more difficult than recovering from alcoholism.
Saint Vilis at the Yahoo Group, ExitFundyism
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You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that WE are the ones who “need help?”
Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist
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EVANGELICAL EGO-GAMES
An evangelical Christian once told me, “Only Jesus Christ can save man and restore him to his lost state of peace with God, himself and others.” Yeah, sure, and only new Pepsi can make you feel really happy, and only our brand is better than the competition, and only our country is the best country. It is truly amazing to me that people can utter such arrogant nonsense with no humor, no sense of how offensive they are to others, no doubt or trepidation, and no suspicion that they sound exactly like advertisers, con-men and other swindlers. It is really hard to understand such child-like prattling. If I were especially conceited about something (a state I try to avoid, but if I fell into it…), if for instance I decided I had the best garden or the handsomest face in Ireland, I would still retain enough common sense to suspect that I would sound like a conceited fool if I went around telling everybody those opinions. I would have enough tact left, I hope, to satisfy my conceit by dreaming that other people would notice on their own that my garden and/or my face were especially lovely. People who go around innocently and blithely announcing that they belong to the Master Race or the Best Country Club or have the One True Religion seem to have never gotten beyond the kindergarten level of ego-display. Do they have no modesty, no tact, no shame, no adult common sense at all? Do they have any suspicion how silly their conceit sounds to the majority of the nonwhite non-Christian men and women of the world? To me, they seem like little children wearing daddy’s clothes and going around shouting, “Look how grown-up I am! Look at me, me, me!”
There are more amusing things than ego-games, conceit and one-upmanship.Really, there are. I suspect that people stay on that childish level because they have never discovered how interesting and exciting the adult world is.
If one must play ego-games, I still think it would be more polite, and more adult, to play them in the privacy of one’s head. In fact, despite my efforts to be a kind of Buddhist, I do relapse into such ego-games on occasion; but I have enough respect for human intelligence to keep such thoughts to myself. I don’t go around announcing that I have painted the greatest painting of our time; I hope that people will notice that by themselves. Why do the people whose ego-games consist of day-dreaming about being part of the Master Race or the One True Religion not keep that precious secret to themselves, also, and wait for the rest of the human race to notice their blinding superiority?
Robert Anton Wilson
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Many Christians who can’t even get members of their own family to agree with them on trifling matters are currently seeking to evangelize the world and tell everyone “what’s what.”
E.T.B.
Mary on 05 Jan 2009 at 10:08 pm #
E.T.B.
Much of what you post MAY or MAYNOT be reality. The statement that “perception is reality” is a lie in the Kingdom of God. Jesus IS the Way, the Truth and the LIFE. Your perception will NOT change this only constant fact. It is obvious you have encountered a lot of hurt, pain and absolute devastation in your experience with “Christians”. Any true Christian who has not experienced such has just been converted yesterday or they are facades, as you refer to in your posts.
Jesus says to believe in Him…He said if “I be lifted up, I will draw all men to Myself” E.T.B. quit looking at other people…look fully at Jesus Christ.He is the One who died to save you. He is the One who you will stand before on the day of judgment…He is not going to accept feeble (although well written) excuses.
REPENT, Do your first works over (if you truly did them to start with), be restored unto God and get your eyes on the Word of God and off yourself and other fallible people.
JeannieM on 08 Jan 2009 at 10:25 am #
Hi E.T.B.
Unlike you and most of the people on the Ex Christian web site, I spent most of my life as a non Christian. I believed that God existed, but didn’t really care what He thought of me and what I did. By the time I reached 27, I had been depressed for 12 years. I was going to commit suicide, but began to ask God questions about the mess that was my life. He gave me peace and now 14 years later I know that I couldn’t live without Him. I’m not talking about a relationship with other Christians or a church, I’m talking about Jesus Christ. On the Ex Christian website most people seem to have had a problem with Churches and other Christians. I, too, had a problem with being excluded from a Church when I was only 6 years old. Later in high school other students who were supposed to be Christians shunned me also, although I never did anything to any of them. It took me a long time to forgive all those people and to learn to move on. I know that my faith is not in a Church or people, but only in Christ. My joy and my life are in Christ. No one else can give to me what he has given me. I used to look up to other Christians as if they were better than me, as if they were perfect. I know now that most are as weak as me. I can only look up to Jesus. He is my strength. Without Christ my life would be only emptiness and lonliness. I felt that way for 12 years although I had a family and friends. I know that I’d feel that way again if my life wasn’t in Christ. I don’t depend on anyone for my happiness or mental well being, I depend only on Christ as my body depends on oxygen to breathe.
A small part of the testimony of an ex wild woman, I am nearly 42.