TUP – God's View of President Barack Obama Part 1
Was it God’s will for Obama to win the election?
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Doug on 12 Nov 2008 at 10:26 pm #
You really have no way of explaining the Obama presidency, do you? You say the election is the way God wants it, yet you say the election does not represent christian worldview. Is God anti-christian? Christian leaders must have been the first to misunderstand God, if God really wanted it this way and those Christians wanted it another way. You are struggling to explain a fantasy that is not there.
What proof is there that, even if there is a God, that he is in any way, shape, or form interested in the afairs of this world? What in recent history can you point to to show God’s action in the world? How do Christians experience the action or presence of God in the world? The most hopeless idea is the idea of God as father as one must ask, what kind of father? The sick die regardless of prayers, the poor go hungry regardless of prayer, natural disasters wipe out villages regardless of the existence of “gracious father” and oppression of minorities by the majority continue without much of a consolation from “father”.
The recent school collapse in Haiti could not have moved God; the Tusnami did not move God, World wars I and II did not, 9-11 did not, the African draught did not. What would it take to wake God up.
Is christianity not really a fabble? It is easy to point to the past regarding God’s great action, but if he is the God of yesterday, today and tomorrow, how does one speak of God’s action in the world today. Christianity is in decline!
It is really unfortunate to say the election is how God wants it simply because Obama won when majority of christian leaders were working to have it otherwise.
Brings me to another point – Calvinism being a smart defense of God’s absence in the world. The Calvinist does not have to explain anything but to say, that’s how God wants it – the Tusnami – it is to God’s Glory, rape and incest – that’s how God wants it. It is easier to say that’s how God wants it than to ask, where is God? I bet you, you don’t know.
LPD on 26 Nov 2008 at 4:00 pm #
According to Calvinism and Jesus, no one can see the kingdom of God UNLESS they are born from above.
Obviously you have not, as of yet been translated out of the kingdom of darkness therefore the things concerning Thee Lord Jesus Christ are foolishness to you.
Repentance is God’s prerequisite before anyone can have faith to believe what God has written in the bible concerning His Son, Thee Lord Jesus Christ.
Should God take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh so you can come to Him in gratitude and humility, THEN and only then will you understand.
I will do my part and pray for you this day; you do yours and “cry out” to Him to be merciful to your soul.
Matt on 14 Dec 2008 at 8:34 pm #
Doug has some good questions that need to be answered. It is not enough for Christians to answer by saying you have to have faith to understand. While that is correct according to I Cor. it still does not give us the the stopping point. Look at the teaching of Paul in Athens. While I know I am not in a position to answer Doug, I really do not need to but I can point him to where the answer can be found. First is the Bible, yes it is only understood by those who have the Spirit, but God also promises that faith comes from His word. There are many Christian apologist that are out there also. The Theology program on this website is good and also Ravi Zacharias has a website and many books. The question goes out to Doug though, do you really want answer to your questions or not? If you do then it takes work just like everything else in life. While I am a Christian, I also read Dawkins, Stenger and other atheist, not because I have doubts but to understand the arguments. Doug are you willing to do the same? The answers are there if you want them and yes LPD pray for him because that is another means God uses.
Barry Applewhite on 24 Dec 2008 at 1:02 pm #
I have to wonder whether the same existential crisis would exist for some believers if John McCain had been elected. Would a post like this one have been considered necessary? I doubt it.
Having taken the position that Jesus is a Republican, the conservative evangelical part of the church has created for itself this anguish at the result of the election. The fear-mongering that has gone on–largely to raise money, I suspect–is shameful. I certainly appreciate CMP’s declaration that Christians should remain cool no matter the election outcome.
Jesus did not come to establish a political party or to ensure John McCain’s election. Those who thought otherwise should consider whether this severe disappointment is something they have inflicted on themselves by trying to paint God into a red-state corner.
-Barry
Dave Hysinger on 04 Jan 2009 at 9:33 pm #
It’s important not to confuse liberalism in theology,
which is bad, versus liberalism in politics, which isn’t always
bad. They’re not the same thing. According to Romans 13,
the government is a minister, a servant to do good. That’s a lot
closer to the modern liberal view of politics than the GOP,
which holds that government is the problem, not the
solution, as Reagan put it.
The fact is, conservative Christian theologians, with the possible
exception of Frances Schaeffer, have not ever really worked out a coherent
biblical political philosophy. We have allowed ourselves to be pandered to
on the pro-life issues, and manipulated by the GOP.
Even though I disagree with a lot of Obama’s positions, I think he will
be an outstanding president, better than McCain by far. I voted for Obama
and I’ll be praying for him.
Eric on 31 Jan 2009 at 10:35 pm #
I consider Obama a disgrace. First thing he does along with Democrats is to
ensure that your tax paid money goes to aborting babies. I don’t consider
any one who is pro choice to be a christian. It doesn’t add up.
The liberals have basically destroyed this country and it showing. The hatred
that they spew out of their mouths is disgusting just like demon possessed.
And like how Howard Dean sponsored civility such as “I hate republicans ”
statement. That about says how wicked the Democrats are.. and I don’t forget
the slavery that the Democrats sponsored in the 1800’s. They hated
Abraham Lincoln and started the civil war. The the “Copper head’s” democrats
in the North tried to help Lincoln lose the war. Not to mention that the
Democrat’s started the KKK. and thats a fact. They lynched 4000 black people
and 2000 white republicans. Something I am still awaiting an apology for.
damaag on 31 Mar 2009 at 10:12 pm #
Staying on topic would seem to be very difficult. Why would an atheist give the same old worn out arguments for being an atheist. There are other blogs for that. Back on topic now. I believe God does set up Governments, but does He set them all up? What about the local PTA or Boyscouts? Aren’t they in some respects authority too? I don’t believe God has to micro-manage every thing to have dominion. So to the question did God predetermine Obama’s election? I don’t know. I know I’m sliding like a baseball player but if Obama takes us further down the path away from a God. I would find it hard to say God knowing wanted that.
Please pray for our president.