I dare to say, name me one Lordship Salvation proponent who teaches that one must repent of every sin(which I doubt we even remember or know of all our sins) or that we are to make Christ Lord over every area of our life in order to find justification.

Please show me which author, preacher, sermon actually preaches this as Lordship Salvation.

I have read both of John Macarthur books on the subject and others who have written on the subject(including A W Tozer) and that particular message is not what they preach.

What is preached is first, we cannot seperate the Lordship or deity of Christ over the beleiver from his actions as Saviour. That Lord is a title of deity, not merely Jesus’ pre first name.

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Second, that when Christ saves you, he changes your life.
A mere profession of faith without accompying sanctification is not salvation. If you look at Romans 8: 28, you will find that God predestined us to be “conformed to the image of his Son”.

Christ even taught, if there was no fruit, no salvation.
Mt 7:15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mt 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mt 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mt 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mt 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

James, the first Pastor even taught that faith without works is dead-which means it was not a saving faith.

Some will say that I am teaching a works salvation. I would point to Ephesians 2:8-10 which shows that salvation is by grace through faith, not of works. Verse 10 tells us that God has made us his workmanship unto good works.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Good works, sanctification, righteousness, faithfulness to the Lord, and holiness is the results of salvation, not the cause of it.

This is Lordship salvation which also does teach repentance. Repentance from sin is only a part of it. It is repenting of that which you rely upon whether another religion or your own standard of righteousness which do(in my honest opinion include sins) The reason why I include sins is first, unbelief is a sin, second-we often allow sins in our standard of righteousness that Christ does not accept. Lastly, we are sinners!

Heb 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

I should note that Christ seperated repentance from faith and belief.
Mr 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

As far as 1st and 2nd Corinthians, if carnal Christianity were acceptable to God, there would be no writing of these two epistles! The first one was written so that the Corinthian believers would “come out from among them” not to allow for the continuing of sin.

Your comment #38 above causes me some concern. There seems to be a disconnect that you may be able to clear up.

At your blog you wrote an article titled, Believe in Christ’s Promise and You are Saved No Matter What Misconceptions You Hold. In regard to evangelizing the lost and the content of saving faith you wrote:

“If a JW hears me speak of Christ’s deity and asks me about it, I will say, ‘Let us agree to disagree about this subject.’”

“At the moment that a JW or a Mormon is convinced that Jesus Christ has given to them unrevokable [sic] eternal life when they believed on Him for it, I would consider such a one saved, REGARDLESS of their varied misconcetions [sic] and beliefs about Jesus.”

“I would never say you don’t have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. This has the import of the gospel proposition which makes it salvific! If someone asks me point blank, do I believe that one must believe that Jesus is God in order to go to heaven, I would say ‘NO!’”

If you could answer the following questions I’m sure it would help clear up any confusion as to what you believe is the necessary content of saving faith. Antonio:

MUST a person believe that they are a sinner, that Jesus is God, that He was here in the flesh and died on the Cross for our very own personal sins, that He was buried, that He rose to life again and was seen in the flesh by a multitude of people in order to be saved?

Can anything in this “list” be unknown, unbelieved, or rejected at the moment of conversion and the person ACTUALLY be Eternally Saved at that moment?

Thank you in advance for answering these questions.

LM

That argument has no persuasive force, because God’s kingdom is not based upo n American law or consitution and has its own entrance and leaving requirements. Those requirements may be the same as the U.S. one’s, but any similarity would either be coincidental or because the “founding fathers” of Anmeric copied God.

Furthermore, God no where and at no time ever stated that taking the U.S. oath of allegiance was in any way similar to professing Christ as one’s saviour. Again, any similarities are coincidental.

God’s kingdom, and entrance into, came way before the American nation and its oath.

regards

On your definition of the Free Grace (FG) movement I’d like to offer a few observations. In regard to your notes on repentance, the GES faction of the FG community takes a view that is out of step with virtually any other biblically balanced movement. For example:

Zane Hodges totally eliminated the necessity of repentance from the conversion experience. In his book, Harmony With God Hodges took the position that the process of repentance may be a preparatory step in coming to salvation, and should be evident in the life of a believer, but a lost man can be born again apart from repentance by any definition. Hodges also said he no longer held to the “change of mind” view of repentance. Hodges said there is only one answer to the question, “What must I do to be saved?” Hodges emphatically stated that repentance is not part of the answer.

Ironically, Bob Wilkin’s 1985 doctrinal dissertation is titled Repentance as a Condition for Salvation in the New Testament. At that time Wilkin held the “change of mind” view and believed repentance was a condition for salvation.

The influence of Hodges eventually led Wilkin to abandon the position he defended in his dissertation. At the 1998 Grace Evangelical Society’s National Conference Bob Wilkin revealed he had a “change of mind” about repentance. Hodges and Wilkin defined repentance as “turning from sin,” which is consistent with the Lordship Salvation view of repentance.

Kind regards,

LM

On your definition of the Free Grace (FG) movement I’d like to offer a few observations. In regard to your notes on repentance, the GES faction of the FG community takes a view that is out of step with virtually any other biblically balanced movement. For example:

Zane Hodges totally eliminated the necessity of repentance from the conversion experience. In his book, Harmony With God Hodges took the position that the process of repentance may be a preparatory step in coming to salvation, and should be evident in the life of a believer, but a lost man can be born again apart from repentance by any definition. Hodges also said he no longer held to the “change of mind” view of repentance. Hodges said there is only one answer to the question, “What must I do to be saved?” Hodges emphatically stated that repentance is not part of the answer.

LM

Eternal life is absolutely free! and recieved by simple faith in Jesus Christ, which is trust in Him for the gift of eternal life PLUS nothing. Saving faith is essentially entrusting one’s ETERNAL destiny into His hands. It is believing Him when He says, “Most assuredly I say to you, whoever believes in Me has everlasting life” (Jn 6:47). It is considering Him your eternal Savior.

Temporal significance and value that transects into eternity where one will receive eternal rewards is attained through a synergy of God’s grace and Christ’s resurrection power and the saint. It will take hard works and perseverance.

If you mix or meld these mutually exclusive considerations the result will be works salvation.

Antonio da Rosa

I’m a christian and I’m a human so I deal with life as a committed
Christian the best I can on a daily basis no better or worse than any of the above persons who commented.

When a person pledges allegiance to Jesus they become citizens of His kingdom.

You cannot lose your citizenship in the US (if I understand it correctly) through breaking the law. You are punished for that law-breaking as a citizen.

You cannot lose your citizenship in Christ’s kingdom through breaking His law. You do lose honour, but as a citizen.

The way to lose your citizenship in the US is to pledge yourself to another country and foresake your oath.

The way to lose your citizenship in Christ’s kingdom is through forsaking your oath to Him and pledging allegiance elsewhere.

Christ’s power is sufficient to hold us, even when we ourselves are not strong enough to hold to Him.