Those who commit suicide cannot be Christian . . .
Here is an email question that I just received with the response to follow:
Good Afternoon:
I am writing to you under emotional pangs, as I wrestle with the Scriptures, and what I hear from certain others who are Christian.The husband of a friend of mine committed suicide. My friend, I know well, and her love and defense of the Scriptures. But I only know of her husband’s belief by what she tell me, and his attendance to church. She said he prayed a lot and loved God, her and their children.
But he yielded to suicide. And from what I understand, this was a long term fight to avoid that. He subsequently said he was going for walk, and he was found in a park, after shooting himself.
Here is a man who “claimed” to love Jesus, but his actions to me, deny his having made Jesus Lord and Master over his life. Rather, he must have had Satan as master.
I used to believe in “free will” but after a long study of the Sovereignty of God, I changed my mind. That study took several years. So I can’t say this man had free will unless he remains outside of God’s Lordship, where he does what the flesh does…. denies the power, promises, and love that God has living within us.
The pastor at the services said what my friend said, he is in heaven, due to the Grace of God.
But how can a person be tempted to kill himself then actually follow through with it, if he has Life in him? And Hope. These reign over Death and Hell.
My Response
Thanks for the questions. These are very good questions, and necessary to struggle with.
You said: “But how can a person be tempted to kill himself then actually follow through with it, if he has Life in him?”
How could David have killed Uriah? How could Peter have denied Christ. How could John have fallen down and worshiped an angel? How could Paul struggle with sin the way he does in Roman 7? Why would Paul exhort Christians to “walk in the spirit and therefore not carry out the deeds of the flesh” if it was a foregone conclusion that Christians cannot walk in the flesh? How could the Galatians (whom Paul considers “brethren”) have turned back toward the law after knowing Christ? How could the Corinthians live as spiritual babes, living in strife, jealously, and envy?
The answer: we are all sinners.
My sister committed suicide. She had been with me at seminary and was one of my primary means of encouragement throughout my younger ministry years. She was a prayer warrior, an aspiring evangelist, and one of the most generous people I have ever known. She fell into depression—terrible depression. Depression is a powerful result of the fall that ends up taking a lot of people’s lives. What she did was sin. Yes, it was premeditated as well.
What sins, in actuality, are not premeditated? There are not many . . . They are mainly personality and spirituality characteristics such as outbursts of anger, jealousy, and faithlessness. But most other sins are premeditated. If God does not forgive premeditated sins—if somehow these are the sins that are not covered by the cross—we are all in trouble.
I don’t know whether the gentleman who went on a walk in the park was a Christian or not (my heart hurts just thinking of his walk), but I do know that the cross of Christ redeems us from all sin, no matter how severe, no matter how much premeditation. Were suicide less traumatic, were it just a push of the button, I doubt that there is any who would escape its fate (we probably would not make it through our teen years!). Have mercy on this man. What he did was sin. What he did will have terrible and lasting consequences (just like any murder), but to think that this necessarily means he was not a Christian is unbiblical and well beyond our ability to judge.
The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses (present tense; 1 John1:7) us from all sin, not just some sins.
To say that we cannot have unconfessed sin when we die is problematic both Biblically and practically. Biblically, Paul is clear that once we have faith in Christ we have been saved. This salvation is primarily from the ultimate penalty of our sin—eternal death. If we cannot truly be saved until we die with all sins confessed, then we cannot ever say that we are saved as Paul does. The best we can do is say we might be saved (i.e. if I die without any unconfessed sin). Salvation would always have to be spoken of as a contingent possibility, not a present reality. Yet Paul says to the Ephesians “By grace you have been saved” (Eph. 2:8). Christ says in John 6:24 “Whoever believes in me has eternal life.†There is no contingency here. The question becomes, Do you really believe?
The practical problem is this: If you do have to die without any unconfessed sin, how are you to be spiritually aware enough to remember all your sins? What if you forget one. What about the time you sped through the school zone? What about the time you pridefully thought about your promotion at work? What about the time you envied your neighbor’s new sprinkler system? What about the time you said you were sick, to avoid something, and you really weren’t? From a practical stand point, everyone will die with unconfessed sin. Most of these will include serious sins such as greed, pride, and envy. Therefore, we are all bound for hell? This trivializes the cross, forgiveness, and sin.
Christ’s death is a once for all remedy to our damnation. Because of this grace and forgiveness we should live a life that is pleasing to him, but some of us won’t do so well. That is what makes grace so wonderful and radical—indeed, beyond belief.
Hope that is helpful.
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HP on 15 Aug 2008 at 10:19 pm #
I have suffered from terrible depression, loss of my wife at a young age, loss of my own health, job,home,belongings etc. did I consider ending the pain? You better believe it.
If I had a broken leg it can be seen, depression cannot. It is a disease , like cancer, heart disease and a host of others. Takings ones life is a sad symptom of the disease. Would a loving God punish us for dying due to impaired thinking? No, I believe the Scriptures are clear, He would welcome us with open arms and wipe away our tears. Why did I not do it? I do not know, to be honest. The Church was a big help, but all I know is I really wanted to, but did not. Maybe he has a new role for me, I live one day at a time by Faith.
Ishmael on 16 Aug 2008 at 6:34 am #
A thoughtful, scriptural response to a tough issue — thanks for sharing.
Back in the 60’s, an artistic friend of mine made me a little statue — it’s of an old, bent American Indian, barefoot, holding out a pair of moccasins with the words “Walk in my shoes” carved in the base. I still keep it on my desk as a reminder that a wise person tries to understand before they give in to the temptation lo “leap to judgment”. There have been many times when that little figure has reminded me that “there, but for the grace of God, go I”.
JoanieD on 16 Aug 2008 at 6:43 am #
Beautiful response, Michael. Maybe one of your best. Thoughtful, loving, biblical. Thank you!
Tony Buglass on 16 Aug 2008 at 9:48 am #
A few years ago, I buried a friend who had committed suicide. He was a Christian, I have no doubt about that, but he was a troubled soul. He had been abused as a boy by a clergyman, and that left him with serious scars. Most of the time, he was OK, but very so often the anger and pain crucified him. The last straw was a drunken yob who spat on him on his way home one night - he came home, went up to his study in a rage, and hanged himself.
Whether or not he actualy intended to die that evening, or whether he knew what he was doing, no-one knows. His wife and son went up when it went quiet, and found him dead. I had moved to another church a couple of years previously, but they asked me to return to do the funeral. It was one of the hardest I ever did, but the key for me was quite simple: let not the manner of his dying blot out the manner of his living. He was a popular man, a scoutmaster, active in the village in many ways - nobody knew of his childhood suffering except his wife. The funeral was huge, and powerful.
I have buried a number of suicides over my years in ministry. I have come to the conclusion that in most cases it is such an irrational act that it demonstrates how far from “being themselves” the victims have wandered. My Father is a merciful and compassionate Saviour, and a sympathetic Judge. I do not believe suicide to be an unforgiveable sin, nor do I believe Christians cannot go that way, any more than a Christian is safe from cancer or stroke. We walk in the same fallen world as the rest of creation, and face the same darknesses. But we do it in the company of the Christ who voluntarily embraced the worst of all darkness, and did it to show that God’s love will come back even from that.
He was raised by the same God who is here to catch our friends when they fell. That is the foundation of my hope.
David on 16 Aug 2008 at 4:11 pm #
As someone who was treated for depression and contemplated, though never got around to attempting, suicide as a teen (and who has had several Christian friends attempt suicide), I offer this perspective. For the Christian suffering from depression and utterly disillusioned with this world, suicide can be viewed as not only wanting to be under God’s lordship, but wanting to be completely enveloped in His presence immediately. For me, I knew that my depression would end in Heaven. I knew that this world had nothing for me and that my treasure was in God. I knew that this world had forsaken God and I didn’t want anymore to do with it. All I wanted was to be in God’s presence and away from the misery of this world as soon as possible. It wasn’t about ending my life; it was about beginning it.
I do not say this to justify suicide, for it is a sin and it has terrible ramifications on those left behind. I offer this to say that suicide, in the midst of despair and dejection, is not at odds with being under God’s lordship in the mind of the Christian suffering from depression. It is entirely possible for a Christian to commit suicide. I believe that because of the hope we have of eternal life through Christ, suicide can be presented as an even more attractive option to a deceived believer than to a deceived non-believer. If you know that the tears can be forever replaced with a greater joy than you could ever experience on this earth and all it takes is a quick swallow, dunk, or twitch - well, that can be very attractive.
On a related note, I also believe that any church that has ever had the phrase “Too blessed to be depressed” on their sign should be forced to close until they spend some time with those suffering and understand what it is like. As one of them, let me say a very sarcastic “thank you” for pointing out that not only am I wrong and different for being depressed, but also that, apparently, God has blessed you a lot more than He has blessed me (since I’m obviously not too blessed to be depressed).
As for me, I still can’t wait to be in God’s presence, but now I’m not in a hurry, I’m content waiting on His timing, and I’m enjoying my life and my family in the interim. (Though I remain pretty disillusioned with this world.)
Cadis on 16 Aug 2008 at 9:07 pm #
I agree Joanie, It was an excellent answer. We need answers. There are questions galore in life. Constantly God is put up for not providing, almost as if God is being coy , playing, some tormented mind game of “figure me out”.
I’m not saying that I think I am above ever having suicidal thoughts but I sure pray that if I do someone responds the way the Michael responded here….with an answer!
Ron on 17 Aug 2008 at 3:29 am #
As someone who suffers from depression and having known Christians who have committed suicide, this is an excellent response.
cj hall on 17 Aug 2008 at 5:08 pm #
Think of this brothers and sisters, if the Lord put in the scripture, where the troubled soul goes after he/she takes their life, then the family of the loved one would even be in much more pain. If the Lord had set in stone that one who commit suicide were immediatly punished and went to hell, than the family would be in ruins. However, if it said, there were no consequence at all for a sister or brother to take their lives; that they would go to heaven, how many more souls around us would lose their lives by suicide. A whole lot. It’s not clear, but it is clear that hurting your body is a sin, a sin that was forgiven on the cross at calvary.
consider it my friends,
in Christ, Cj
Eric W on 18 Aug 2008 at 8:22 am #
May this writer find that God is bigger than his image and theology of Him. Just because WE find the concepts of sovereignty and free will irreconcilable doesn’t mean that they in Reality are irreconcilable.
C. Barton on 18 Aug 2008 at 12:39 pm #
My first response is that, yes, a Christian can sin a willful sin, even a severely harmful one. I thank God that our salvation depends not on our obedience to the Law, but to His grace given to us through our faith. “Where sin abounds, grace abounds more . . .”. Also, scripture says that we are saved from the spirit of fear of death which the Law brings, so we are free in Christ from the penalty for disobedience.
However, in a perfect sense of justice, I believe that our Father will address such things on the Last Day and He might have some stern words about acts of murder, etc., in order to satisfy His desire for righteousness in us.
What concerns me more is that the Church seems to be losing people by default: where is the Spiritual anointing on those equipped to counsel our depressed and emotionally disabled? Would you tell a man with a broken leg to, “Have more faith and walk in strength?” Severe emotional trauma can be like this, and it is the duty of all of us to help bear the outrageous burdens of those too weak to do so themselves.
Anyone claiming a happy-go-lucky existence in Christ has, in my opinion, forgotten that we are here to face the reality of living in a fallen and depraved world in which every good deed we can do is desperately needed.
brian on 18 Aug 2008 at 2:52 pm #
I appreciate your response.
i used to hear and I suppose believe the old, “if you have a sinful thought while in the midst of a car accident” you are lost/condemned” argument.
Vijai on 19 Aug 2008 at 12:37 pm #
Michael- how insightful and sensitive. Thanks for sharing this.
Life Searcher on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:40 pm #
To the author of the original article, I think you are an [edited by moderator]. You obviously no nothing of what it’s like to struggle within yourself or to be depressed. Just because the husband of your friend committed suicide Does Not mean that he did not love Jesus, his wife or children and for you to imply that makes you one of the biggest idiots that I’ve ever come across!
I too, fight with depression and everyday is a struggle to save my life instead of ending it. I won’t speak of all the trials, trauma and failure I’ve endured in my life. Just know, that I have reason for my struggles and if I do end my life, it is not because I do not Love my family or even Jesus, it is because my own fight to LIVE has become to overwhelming to survive.
C Michael Patton on 20 Aug 2008 at 2:45 pm #
I am sorry to hear about your difficulties. May God give you strength and encouragement.
PJones on 21 Aug 2008 at 6:55 pm #
Michael, thank you for your answer. What a blessing you are.
So many times in this life people want to give pat answers without scriptures to back it up. This is our only true hope and the only real source of our encouragement.
For Life Searcher, you are amongst friends.
Don’t take the author’s viewpoint personally. They are just mis-guided.
If you need to tell your story, tell it. It will allow your sisters and brothers in Christ to minister to you. You do not have to bear your burdens alone. Maybe you can find peace here.
I do not promise that you’ll find all the answers here. But, what I can promise you is that Jesus loves you.
He knows your pain. He knows your struggles. He wants to reach out to you.
Julian on 21 Aug 2008 at 7:36 pm #
#5 @David - That is exactly the thought that many a Christian has thought - to embrace the death of the flesh is to embrace eternity. I’ve certainly suffered my share in this life and shared in those same thoughts.
There are certainly many words which expound on this great hope. . .
2 Cor. 5:1-10:
For we know that if our earthly house, the tent we live in, is dismantled, we have a building from God, a house not built by human hands, that is eternal in the heavens. For in this earthly house we groan, because we desire to put on our heavenly dwelling, . . . For we groan while we are in this tent, since we are weighed down, because we do not want to be unclothed, but clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. . . .
Therefore we are always full of courage, and we know that as long as we are alive here on earth we are absent from the Lord — for we live by faith, not by sight. Thus we are full of courage and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So then whether we are alive or away, we make it our ambition to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be paid back according to what he has done while in the body, whether good or evil.
Clearly Paul wasn’t advocating suicide - but rather boldness in the Gospel because those who would kill him did not offer him terror but the realization of our hopes. But certainly no less a Christian than Paul desired to be out of this body and be at home with the Lord. Yet, verse 10 really hammers home that our release should happen at God’s chosen time.
To bring home brother Patton’s point, one merely needs to read Romans 7:18 and Romans 8:35-39. Paul makes clear that our flesh is fundamentally messed up, but praise be to God, there is nothing in all of creation (that includes our own anguish) that can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
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JRoach on 28 Aug 2008 at 10:20 am #
I have recently been struggling with the subject of suicide and how should I as a Christian handle my feelings of despair. I have been a born-again Christian for about 25 years and I have experienced trials before. At this time I constantly live with feelings of humiliation, failure, being pathetic, etc. My wife and I have incurable chronic illnesses and I have a family member living with me that shows no respect in any way to me or my wife. I have come to the point that I have no goals, dreams, hopes, etc. Almost every part of my life is at rock bottom. I understand the temptation to end it right now. The only reason I have not done so is because it would devastate my wife, my niece, and my two nephews who all live with me. I don’t want to do that to them. I believe that God will see me through this and that this is part of His work of sanctification. I am constantly battling between the flesh (end it all) and my spirit (God is working on me with His sovereign love). Reading the scriptures on how Jesus and Paul suffered encourages me to hang in there and take one day at a time. This is the best article on this subject that I have ever read. Thank you.
Donna on 08 Sep 2008 at 3:04 pm #
I have attempted suicide several times in my life. Each time my mental ability to rise above my oppression was just too great for me to overcome. You become so lost within yourself that you can no longer hear or see Christ non-the-less to call upon his strength in your weakness. You only have the hope that remains in your faith. I too believe that Heaven is still open for those in Christ, whether we overcome our pain or not. What stopped me…. no one or anything, my free will carried the action through… Christ sent others to me on two occasions when death was most likely imminent, and once there was just not reason that I did not die. What I believe now is the Lord himself will not let me bring harm to myself, even though my own hand has tried. He understands the why of what I do… I owe no other any explanations (except to those family and friends who love me, and whom I have hurt by my actions). He also knows that the one desire I truly have in my own heart of hearts.. is to one day be called before him and to be found naked and unashamed. It is he who will keep me for himself, and I will not see anything but love and acceptance in his eyes.
For others that completed the act… I believe they are with the Lord. Consequences in the form of lost rewards surly have befallen them, but an underserved crown (like all of us will receive) is still at their feet.
C. Barton on 09 Sep 2008 at 10:28 am #
I remember a little story about a woman who made that decision; she calmly placed a dozen pills in a row at the edge of her kitchen table, poured a glass of water, then paused to go upstairs to get her favorite string of pearls to wear in death.
She couldn’t find the pearls. She was so angry! She looked everywhere in her bedroom, and finally exhausted, she went back down to the kitchen to take the pills.
What she saw on the table made her tremble.
On the table was the pearl necklace where the pills had been. The pills were gone.
“You looked so hard for those cherished pearls, and I will never quit looking for you, either!” Said the Lord to her.
You see, he died for each of us individually, not just collectively. He knows your name, your struggles, and He knows your future in Him.
Keep looking!