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	<title>Comments on: Minimizing Christianity to the Glory of God</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3825</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael,

I have now reposted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael,</p>
<p>I have now reposted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3686</link>
		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I really like this article.  Would you mind if I repost it at &lt;a href="eclecticchristian.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Eclectic Christian&lt;/a&gt;?

It is definitely in the spirit of some of the articles that I have been writing, but you have certainly provided some clarifying thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I really like this article.  Would you mind if I repost it at <a href="eclecticchristian.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Eclectic Christian</a>?</p>
<p>It is definitely in the spirit of some of the articles that I have been writing, but you have certainly provided some clarifying thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Tanksley</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3650</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Tanksley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam (and Patton): oh, I get the point. Yes, Christ is the center of Christianity, and THAT is the center we must adhere to. Sorry, Patton, but I didn't see that in your original discussion -- I assumed that the next heading in your article was a different definition of Christian unity.

So I agree now. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam (and Patton): oh, I get the point. Yes, Christ is the center of Christianity, and THAT is the center we must adhere to. Sorry, Patton, but I didn&#8217;t see that in your original discussion &#8212; I assumed that the next heading in your article was a different definition of Christian unity.</p>
<p>So I agree now. <img src='http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3622</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pass me a marshmallow, because I 'got' what you were saying.  
Pipedream?....not by a long shot.

Devoid of distinction?!! Maybe I read a different post, nothing is more distinctive  than Christ himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pass me a marshmallow, because I &#8216;got&#8217; what you were saying.<br />
Pipedream?&#8230;.not by a long shot.</p>
<p>Devoid of distinction?!! Maybe I read a different post, nothing is more distinctive  than Christ himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Tanksley</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3597</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Tanksley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Roman Catholics, some Eastern Orthodox, and Fundamentalists would normally share this perspective."

Disagree. I don't know about Eastern Orthodox, but I do know that for the Roman Catholics, that's simply not the case. You definitely have to agree with the formally defined dogmas, but outside of that there's a TON of flex; even inside the dogmas most Romanists informally allow plenty of flex (even though there's no doubt about the importance of the dogmas formally). Behavior is far more important.

Agreed for the fundies; I grew up with a few of them as close friends, and if you didn't agree that every word meant what they said it meant... Well, you can hang out, but you'll get _ministered to_. :-)

I have to agree with Rishardson -- Centralism sounds awesome, but it's completely devoid of distinction. Every single position you named is actually Centralist by that definition -- every one has some central issues and focusses on them. The only question is how *big* you claim the center is, and who defines it. In fact, I think the question of "who defines the center" is the important one, and although you mention it, you don't give it any coverage here.

Who DOES define the "center"? For fundies, their pastor almost always does, with the condition that their pastor MUST be attested to by certain reference works, like the Scofield Notes. For Romanists, Rome. For liberals, modern consensus. For almost all denominations heresies, recent and ancient, help define the center by highlighting its edges, and heresies are seen equally by their consequences (splitting the church) as by their violation of established doctrines. I enjoyed OJ Brown's "Heresies" text on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Roman Catholics, some Eastern Orthodox, and Fundamentalists would normally share this perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Disagree. I don&#8217;t know about Eastern Orthodox, but I do know that for the Roman Catholics, that&#8217;s simply not the case. You definitely have to agree with the formally defined dogmas, but outside of that there&#8217;s a TON of flex; even inside the dogmas most Romanists informally allow plenty of flex (even though there&#8217;s no doubt about the importance of the dogmas formally). Behavior is far more important.</p>
<p>Agreed for the fundies; I grew up with a few of them as close friends, and if you didn&#8217;t agree that every word meant what they said it meant&#8230; Well, you can hang out, but you&#8217;ll get _ministered to_. <img src='http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have to agree with Rishardson &#8212; Centralism sounds awesome, but it&#8217;s completely devoid of distinction. Every single position you named is actually Centralist by that definition &#8212; every one has some central issues and focusses on them. The only question is how *big* you claim the center is, and who defines it. In fact, I think the question of &#8220;who defines the center&#8221; is the important one, and although you mention it, you don&#8217;t give it any coverage here.</p>
<p>Who DOES define the &#8220;center&#8221;? For fundies, their pastor almost always does, with the condition that their pastor MUST be attested to by certain reference works, like the Scofield Notes. For Romanists, Rome. For liberals, modern consensus. For almost all denominations heresies, recent and ancient, help define the center by highlighting its edges, and heresies are seen equally by their consequences (splitting the church) as by their violation of established doctrines. I enjoyed OJ Brown&#8217;s &#8220;Heresies&#8221; text on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/08/minimizing-christianity-to-the-glory-of-god/#comment-3579</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people would stop trying to understand every thought of Jesus Christ, and concentrate on "who he was and what he did" there would be less confusion. These conflicting views didn't originate in heaven, they came from the mind of Satan. 

Yes, I used the "S" word! If you don't believe in Satan you don't need Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people would stop trying to understand every thought of Jesus Christ, and concentrate on &#8220;who he was and what he did&#8221; there would be less confusion. These conflicting views didn&#8217;t originate in heaven, they came from the mind of Satan. </p>
<p>Yes, I used the &#8220;S&#8221; word! If you don&#8217;t believe in Satan you don&#8217;t need Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: John B. Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B. Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Centralist Christianity eh? Sounds pretty idealistic. Who is going to decide on what is the most important denominator?

My vote is for Jewish Christians. Or Pentecostals.

I mean, this sounds great on paper and it is something I worked on until my de-conversion from Christianity, but isn't it sort of a pipe dream that would sound great in a sermon but has very little reality attached?

Please take this sincerely, as I am not trying to ridicule (aside from my Pentecostal joke). I think a Christianity that is at least somewhat unified would at least give some credibility to the perceived truth of scripture - it would actually be quite amazing. I am simply wondering how the notion of "Centralist Christianity" wouldn't be dropped at the first mention of divergent "centers."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Centralist Christianity eh? Sounds pretty idealistic. Who is going to decide on what is the most important denominator?</p>
<p>My vote is for Jewish Christians. Or Pentecostals.</p>
<p>I mean, this sounds great on paper and it is something I worked on until my de-conversion from Christianity, but isn&#8217;t it sort of a pipe dream that would sound great in a sermon but has very little reality attached?</p>
<p>Please take this sincerely, as I am not trying to ridicule (aside from my Pentecostal joke). I think a Christianity that is at least somewhat unified would at least give some credibility to the perceived truth of scripture - it would actually be quite amazing. I am simply wondering how the notion of &#8220;Centralist Christianity&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t be dropped at the first mention of divergent &#8220;centers.&#8221;</p>
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