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	<title>Comments on: Leaving Christ(ianity) &#8211; A Christian Epidemic</title>
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		<title>By: Korinthian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Korinthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a good idea that you will ramp up the teaching of the bible and the background to that book(s). Like many people have mentioned before: nothing helps a person along the path to atheism like the bible.

It&#039;s when you get past the special pleading for the Christian god and his &quot;inerrant&quot; word that you realize how it&#039;s just another religion, based on superstition and childhood programming.

Personally, I&#039;d cut out the Old Testament which makes it obvious how evil the Judeo-Christian god is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a good idea that you will ramp up the teaching of the bible and the background to that book(s). Like many people have mentioned before: nothing helps a person along the path to atheism like the bible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s when you get past the special pleading for the Christian god and his &#8220;inerrant&#8221; word that you realize how it&#8217;s just another religion, based on superstition and childhood programming.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d cut out the Old Testament which makes it obvious how evil the Judeo-Christian god is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Picton</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Picton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not the slightest bit sad about being an atheist.  Nothing is more liberating than knowing that there is no celestial nanny peering over your shoulder.  I feel sorry for all those who are good only because they fear judgment from his nosiness. Seriously, the idea of a personal god is just ridiculous, and always has been.  If I am good, it is because it is the right thing to do , and I take responsibility for my own actions.  No claiming that &quot;the devil tempted me,&quot;  and thus shedding all responsibility.  And no, I never rejected god, just as I never rejected Santa or the tooth fairy.  They are just pretend, and there is nothing to fear.  I would pity all those who live their lives with delusion, but, quite frankly, I have better things to do with this, my only life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not the slightest bit sad about being an atheist.  Nothing is more liberating than knowing that there is no celestial nanny peering over your shoulder.  I feel sorry for all those who are good only because they fear judgment from his nosiness. Seriously, the idea of a personal god is just ridiculous, and always has been.  If I am good, it is because it is the right thing to do , and I take responsibility for my own actions.  No claiming that &#8220;the devil tempted me,&#8221;  and thus shedding all responsibility.  And no, I never rejected god, just as I never rejected Santa or the tooth fairy.  They are just pretend, and there is nothing to fear.  I would pity all those who live their lives with delusion, but, quite frankly, I have better things to do with this, my only life.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People reject God all the time but the human psyche just cannot handle the awful reality of that decision. Consequently they either become hypocrites, deny God&#039;s existence or claim Lucifer to be the really creator. So sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People reject God all the time but the human psyche just cannot handle the awful reality of that decision. Consequently they either become hypocrites, deny God&#8217;s existence or claim Lucifer to be the really creator. So sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BillE</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>BillE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how all the atheists are attracted tothis post and other Christian posts?  It&#039;s because they KNOW in their hearts that there is a God and they are still searching.  It&#039;s sad to be them.  I know there is a God and I honor him.  They KNOW there is a God and they choose not to honor them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how all the atheists are attracted tothis post and other Christian posts?  It&#8217;s because they KNOW in their hearts that there is a God and they are still searching.  It&#8217;s sad to be them.  I know there is a God and I honor him.  They KNOW there is a God and they choose not to honor them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cretien</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>Cretien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if we would all preach that Christ Jesus shall return in 2018, there maybe hope for those who are lost.  I do pray that you will visit this site for more insights unto the things to come; http://theelects.org

Grace be with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if we would all preach that Christ Jesus shall return in 2018, there maybe hope for those who are lost.  I do pray that you will visit this site for more insights unto the things to come; <a href="http://theelects.org" rel="nofollow">http://theelects.org</a></p>
<p>Grace be with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gisela</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3961</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a church-goer  for a long time (convinced I was saved by praying the &quot;sinner&#039;s prayer&quot;).  Over a period of a few years, to my horror, I began progressing through these steps that you have outlined in this post.  I made it to &quot;apathy&quot;.  My mind toyed with the idea of &quot;departure&quot;.  I began to wish I had died in my mother&#039;s womb, thinking that would have been an easier life.

I reached out &quot;one last time&quot; to God.  I wanted to reach The Real God, on His terms, Whoever He was, I wanted the **Real** and Actual God.

His answer was to show me my sin one night, and allow me to see a choice before me:  Choose things that Jesus named as sin (pleasurable for a season), or, choose Him.

I cried out to Him to help me forsake my sinful ways and love Him with all my heart...I asked my pastor how many times Jesus would &quot;put up with me and forgive me&quot; and was answered with the blessed Gospel--all sins were nailed to the cross with Him--

I surrendered my will and my life to Jesus (&quot;Lord, to whom shall we go?  You have the words of eternal life&quot;)

Everything CHANGED, and I couldn&#039;t explain it.  But the reality of my changed heart, and the unmistakable indwelling of the Holy Spirit...these things catapulted me WAAAAAAAAAY far away from apathy!

I had just been born again, but it took me a few months to come to that realization.  In the beginning, I was confused, thinking I&#039;d been saved ALREADY...so...what was this change that had occurred?  But exposure to solid teaching over the next few months, helped me to realize that I had undergone true conversion.

So...

I just want to point out that for all those years when I&#039;d thought I was saved, I *DID* believe solid Christian teachings.  But those beliefs began to crumble over time, because...you JUST CAN&#039;T SUSTAIN CHRISTIAN FAITH if you&#039;re not even born again!!

As you wrote,

&quot;no amount of intellectual persuasion can change an antagonistic heart.&quot;

I would also say:

An antagonistic heart will UNRAVEL the GREATEST amount of intellectual persuasion!

The Lord has to change the antagonistic heart, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a church-goer  for a long time (convinced I was saved by praying the &#8220;sinner&#8217;s prayer&#8221;).  Over a period of a few years, to my horror, I began progressing through these steps that you have outlined in this post.  I made it to &#8220;apathy&#8221;.  My mind toyed with the idea of &#8220;departure&#8221;.  I began to wish I had died in my mother&#8217;s womb, thinking that would have been an easier life.</p>
<p>I reached out &#8220;one last time&#8221; to God.  I wanted to reach The Real God, on His terms, Whoever He was, I wanted the **Real** and Actual God.</p>
<p>His answer was to show me my sin one night, and allow me to see a choice before me:  Choose things that Jesus named as sin (pleasurable for a season), or, choose Him.</p>
<p>I cried out to Him to help me forsake my sinful ways and love Him with all my heart&#8230;I asked my pastor how many times Jesus would &#8220;put up with me and forgive me&#8221; and was answered with the blessed Gospel&#8211;all sins were nailed to the cross with Him&#8211;</p>
<p>I surrendered my will and my life to Jesus (&#8220;Lord, to whom shall we go?  You have the words of eternal life&#8221;)</p>
<p>Everything CHANGED, and I couldn&#8217;t explain it.  But the reality of my changed heart, and the unmistakable indwelling of the Holy Spirit&#8230;these things catapulted me WAAAAAAAAAY far away from apathy!</p>
<p>I had just been born again, but it took me a few months to come to that realization.  In the beginning, I was confused, thinking I&#8217;d been saved ALREADY&#8230;so&#8230;what was this change that had occurred?  But exposure to solid teaching over the next few months, helped me to realize that I had undergone true conversion.</p>
<p>So&#8230;</p>
<p>I just want to point out that for all those years when I&#8217;d thought I was saved, I *DID* believe solid Christian teachings.  But those beliefs began to crumble over time, because&#8230;you JUST CAN&#8217;T SUSTAIN CHRISTIAN FAITH if you&#8217;re not even born again!!</p>
<p>As you wrote,</p>
<p>&#8220;no amount of intellectual persuasion can change an antagonistic heart.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would also say:</p>
<p>An antagonistic heart will UNRAVEL the GREATEST amount of intellectual persuasion!</p>
<p>The Lord has to change the antagonistic heart, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too left evangelical xtianity.  It started with me crying out to God himself to know if I was following any false teaching.  Lots of circumstances. Too many for your word requirement. I learned that xtianity has no idea about what they claim to be the first half of their bible.  Just as I too had no idea about.  Torah is the first 5 books. I would venture to say most of the xtian population has never read it straight through or without a preconceived belief.  If you read Torah and you read the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy 13 and 18 you will find that it is anyone who teaches against Torah.  Both JC and Paul teach against Torah as it is written.  In addition. The lineage does not line up in the gospels when compared to Tanakh/OT. 4 gospels...different facts...5th is Paul&#039;s &quot;my gospel&quot; and 3 conversion stories...Did they see or not, stand or fall, hear or not? Genesis 17 is the covenant to Abraham of circumcision. Paul says it is unnecessary, yet necessary for Timothy. He promotes eating unclean food for Israel teaching against Torah.  Says to uphold Torah in Romans 3 and that it is nailed to a tree in Galatians. Two opposites are not truth. And Torah in irony is the &quot;foundation&quot; of xtiainity. Bible put together hundreds of years later, with fighting about it/80 something books, some miising now...16 Crucified Risen &quot;saviors&quot; in History. Yes, xtians believe with a blind faith and choose not to prove it by the words of hypocrisy they hold in their hands. I did too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too left evangelical xtianity.  It started with me crying out to God himself to know if I was following any false teaching.  Lots of circumstances. Too many for your word requirement. I learned that xtianity has no idea about what they claim to be the first half of their bible.  Just as I too had no idea about.  Torah is the first 5 books. I would venture to say most of the xtian population has never read it straight through or without a preconceived belief.  If you read Torah and you read the test of a prophet in Deuteronomy 13 and 18 you will find that it is anyone who teaches against Torah.  Both JC and Paul teach against Torah as it is written.  In addition. The lineage does not line up in the gospels when compared to Tanakh/OT. 4 gospels&#8230;different facts&#8230;5th is Paul&#8217;s &#8220;my gospel&#8221; and 3 conversion stories&#8230;Did they see or not, stand or fall, hear or not? Genesis 17 is the covenant to Abraham of circumcision. Paul says it is unnecessary, yet necessary for Timothy. He promotes eating unclean food for Israel teaching against Torah.  Says to uphold Torah in Romans 3 and that it is nailed to a tree in Galatians. Two opposites are not truth. And Torah in irony is the &#8220;foundation&#8221; of xtiainity. Bible put together hundreds of years later, with fighting about it/80 something books, some miising now&#8230;16 Crucified Risen &#8220;saviors&#8221; in History. Yes, xtians believe with a blind faith and choose not to prove it by the words of hypocrisy they hold in their hands. I did too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Picton</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Picton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though my dad was an Episcopalian priest, I knew religion was all ridiculous by the time I was seven, although I never came out publically as an atheist until I was in my fifties.  You say that people must be made aware of the intellectual viability of faith. What a ridiculous notion!  Religion is intellectually bankrupt and always has been.  Nothing is more powerful in destroying a young person&#039;s beliefs than education - why do you think fundies are so terrified of it?  It&#039;s because they know there is no there there.  The adults have too much invested in their crazy beliefs to give them up, so try to perpetuate their craziness into the next generation.  But thank goodness, it is starting not to work - the young are leaving religion in droves, so good on them.  I only wish I could live long enough to see the non-religious in America exceed 25%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though my dad was an Episcopalian priest, I knew religion was all ridiculous by the time I was seven, although I never came out publically as an atheist until I was in my fifties.  You say that people must be made aware of the intellectual viability of faith. What a ridiculous notion!  Religion is intellectually bankrupt and always has been.  Nothing is more powerful in destroying a young person&#8217;s beliefs than education &#8211; why do you think fundies are so terrified of it?  It&#8217;s because they know there is no there there.  The adults have too much invested in their crazy beliefs to give them up, so try to perpetuate their craziness into the next generation.  But thank goodness, it is starting not to work &#8211; the young are leaving religion in droves, so good on them.  I only wish I could live long enough to see the non-religious in America exceed 25%.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/leaving-christianity-a-christian-epidemic/comment-page-1/#comment-3958</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You state that &quot; My life and my ministry is committed to one thing: rooting people theologically by presenting the intellectual viability of the Evangelical faith.&quot; I was so rooted. Saved from an early age, studied my whole life (50 years old now), went to seminary, continue to search and study.

I am still intellectually rooted. But further down the road I have discovered the &quot;errancies&quot; of the faith. Surprising to me is that the forceful imposition of Islam literally into buildings in America, helped to jolt me out of my stupor to an awakened mindset regarding all religion.

Christianity, like Islam, has it&#039;s shining tenets. But as a whole both and all religions are heresy. They say little about God, if when or who.

I want my life to stand for what is real, good, one with creation, however created. Christianity no matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you try, just like I did...is not the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You state that &#8221; My life and my ministry is committed to one thing: rooting people theologically by presenting the intellectual viability of the Evangelical faith.&#8221; I was so rooted. Saved from an early age, studied my whole life (50 years old now), went to seminary, continue to search and study.</p>
<p>I am still intellectually rooted. But further down the road I have discovered the &#8220;errancies&#8221; of the faith. Surprising to me is that the forceful imposition of Islam literally into buildings in America, helped to jolt me out of my stupor to an awakened mindset regarding all religion.</p>
<p>Christianity, like Islam, has it&#8217;s shining tenets. But as a whole both and all religions are heresy. They say little about God, if when or who.</p>
<p>I want my life to stand for what is real, good, one with creation, however created. Christianity no matter how hard you work, no matter how hard you try, just like I did&#8230;is not the truth.</p>
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