The reason option #4 is not sufficient is: Outside of the home and the local church, I believe women can and do have the responsibility to give the good news of eternal life to those who do not possess eternal life.

1-10 options are insufficent.

Option 11. The issue is always authority. Women are NOT to have authority over the man in the home or in the church.
The issue of preaching and teaching the authoritative scriptures in an authoritative way (as the oracles of God) precludes women in this capacity.

Women CAN and should teach other women.

However, even the teaching of the scriptures to other women an children seems to imply under the headship of the husband or bishop (i.e. elder/ pastor).

Can a woman teach a man how to make a pot of coffee in church? of course.
Can a woman teach the pastor how to decorate his office? of course.
Can a woman teach a male child? I think that is up to the parent as the child is not a “MAN” (Though personally a women should NOT teach a teenager)
Can a woman teach her husband how to defrag the hard drive. of course.

Paul limits 1 Tim 2 and 1 Cor 14 passage to the church and authority in the church setting; and therefore the preaching/ teaching of the scriptures to other men in the church.

Good outline. #7 is where I stand. Just had a really good discussion with one of my pastors about it. We are a hierarchial comp church but are in transition to recognizing the need to allow women to receive more training and use their gifts more.

Re #34 Why would anyone with half a brain base an understanding of the man/woman/God relationship based on this silly mythology of the OT. The Israelites themselves understood these as beautiful stories and traditions but , for example, the sophisticated author of Job would not base an understanding based on Adam/Eve story. Of course there were literalists then too who used this to subdue the equality of woman just as commenters here do. They do the same in Islam and as a result they treat their camels better than their woman. Do you think your own mother is subordinate to man? And I suppose it happened 6,000 years ago too, huh?

As I read Genesis, Adam and Eve were together in the garden when she first ate of the fruit and that Adam who was given dominion over his helpmate, Eve, just stood there and said nothing to stop her, even though he had been told that if they ate of the fruit “they would surely die.”

Adam had dominion over the wife, but chose to watch and when he saw that Eve did not die, he too took a bite of the apple.

Did I misunderstand the passages????

You all mean the Holy Spirit inside of or that speaks to a woman is inferior to or subordinate to that of a Man? So is woman a second class citizen in the Kingdom? Does she do all the washing, cleaning, and ironing in God’s household? And all the scripture to support this. My word. Some of you wold make good Islamic Apologists for the way they treat their camels better than their woman and got their scripture stuff about it too. I am not Christian Science but when I read her book, it seems Mary Baker Eddy is more connected to and full of the Holy Spirit than any man I have heard or read.

I am unsure of which part of your thesis on this topic to tackle first.
I am so glad you wife is able to be a sweet princess and you the knight who fights her battles. God must have made a huge mistake in leaving so many of his daughters without their husband to go to battle for them due to death disability, separation on the males part leading to divorce etc.
There is no earthly reason or heavenly either why a woman cannot deal with conflict or resolving a combative situation.
How on earth do woman manage to teach and bring up children are two areas that come to mind let alone the woman who are Queens, governors and high up in administration. Your point had to do with the nature of the one woman you know well, rather than the many who are living examples for you. Christian or not.

Why is it OK to have many woman missionaries over the generations??
Being brought up in a strict open brethren background with one grandfather a great convention preacher I never imagined I would preach. I spent 3 years in Bible College, I taught Sunday School and youth and women……but there came a time when there was a call for me to be a preacher. Not this baby!!! No way.
Yet, in what I always saw as, “for such a time as this” my grandfathers cloak fell only on me in the family…..in fact in both sides of my family with one exception of another lay preacher who happens to be male. I had no idea I had the skills God had birthed in me but I knew that if it was not the Holy Spirit who spoke through me then what I spoke would be worthless.
There were years of great joy in preparing and proclaiming through the power and enabling of the Holy Spirit, the word of God. Especially over three years when the Church had no Minister.
But it was for “such a time as this” I left that particular church and denomination, not that of my youth, and moved to another church where younger women preach but someone of my age and experience is not wanted or needed.

Those that would restrict women from speaking or ministering in any position must ignore the fact that the Spirit was poured out on all; it is the Spirit who determines the gifts, not man.
Those that would place restrictions on women also must believe that men are morally and intellectually superior. What utter nonsense. To take what Paul wrote in Timothy literally as a blanket statement for all women everywhere does not make sense –

Consider a few other conclusions must be drawn if one takes this as most do:

Men don’t need to learn in silence.
It’s ok for men to usurp authority.
It’s ok for men who aren’t in a position of authority to have more than one wife.
Women must submit to all men, husband or not.
Women are not able to discern when their pastor is in error, or whether a teaching is in error.
The Holy Spirit is limited in what He can do with women.

Regarding elders: An elder is not a position in the church, but simply an older person/Christian. We still use the term that way: “Mind your elders”.

Michael this is one of the few things (very very few) things that I have to take exception to that you have written.

You have more than one portion of scripture that shows that the primary vocal and leadership roles in the corporate gathering of the Church are deligated to men. And if we ordain a women into that postion we have rejected the scriptures and God’s authority.

The delgation by God of these postions is not based on inherent ability. There are many portions of scripture where women are shown to have performed equally as men. But the context of both 1 Corinthians and 1 Tmothy are clear that the offices and leadership positions are to be given to men.

It is also clear in Acts that outside of the official meeting of the local Church that it was ok for women to teach. Look at Pricillia and Aquilla where they take equall teaching credit to disciples even the Apostle Paul.

This is not a cultural thing but a submission to the authority of God and that transcends culture.

When discussing this, we also need to include: Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17-18, 21:8-9; Romans 16:1, 3, 7; Philippians 4:2-3.

I found the NETBible translation (note 21 from Jerry Brown) to be fascinating. NO pastor of an organized denomination (i.e., Presbyterian, Methodist, etc.) can be truly considered “independent”, as they are called by a board or the bishop. Depending on the denomination, even bishops are elected, so are not independent (though many act like it).