Comments on: Theological Word of the Day: Supralapsarianism http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/ The theology blog of Reclaiming the Mind Ministries featuring blogs by C. Michael Patton, Daniel B. Wallace, Rob Bowman, and Paul Copan Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:14:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: A Lover of Truth http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51894 A Lover of Truth Thu, 08 May 2008 17:36:09 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51894 Except one involve himself in eisegesis, he cannot consistently uphold Calvinist error, either by those passages or any other in the whole of Scripture. The Jews can "deal" with Peter's sermon in Acts 2 while still rejecting Christ as well as "explain away" Isaiah 53, are you saying that because they can "deal" with those passages that they have a right by God to hold to their error (and not be condemned for it)? Except one involve himself in eisegesis, he cannot consistently uphold Calvinist error, either by those passages or any other in the whole of Scripture.

The Jews can “deal” with Peter’s sermon in Acts 2 while still rejecting Christ as well as “explain away” Isaiah 53, are you saying that because they can “deal” with those passages that they have a right by God to hold to their error (and not be condemned for it)?

]]> By: Berny http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51795 Berny Thu, 08 May 2008 03:36:33 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51795 A Lover of Truth, Are you under the impression that these texts have never been dealt with by Calvinists? A Lover of Truth,

Are you under the impression that these texts have never been dealt with by Calvinists?

]]> By: britphil http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51636 britphil Wed, 07 May 2008 17:10:35 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51636 "I appeal to you by the Scriptures to reject the God of Calvin/Augustine and accept the God of Heaven. Please note that it was 'a lover of truth' who made the above statement and not me!! I think he/she has a fair point though! Why do I fear coming to this site tomorrow and reading a barrage/ping-pong of various biblical texts! “I appeal to you by the Scriptures to reject the God of Calvin/Augustine and accept the God of Heaven.

Please note that it was ‘a lover of truth’ who made the above statement and not me!! I think he/she has a fair point though!

Why do I fear coming to this site tomorrow and reading a barrage/ping-pong of various biblical texts!

]]> By: A Lover of Truth http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51624 A Lover of Truth Wed, 07 May 2008 16:06:03 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51624 This arbitrary god of John Calvin and Augistine is certainly in contrast to the Benevolent God of the Bible: Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 1Ti 2:4 who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, 1Ti 2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times; I appeal to you by the Scriptures to reject the God of Calvin/Augustine and accept the God of Heaven. This arbitrary god of John Calvin and Augistine is certainly in contrast to the Benevolent God of the Bible:

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave himself a ransom for all; the testimony to be borne in its own times;

I appeal to you by the Scriptures to reject the God of Calvin/Augustine and accept the God of Heaven.

]]> By: britphil http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51549 britphil Wed, 07 May 2008 08:13:52 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51549 Luke Thank you my good friend....but don't worry I shall be replying to our Berny, our new found self-proclaimed theological superstar, in due course! Luke

Thank you my good friend….but don’t worry I shall be replying to our Berny, our new found self-proclaimed theological superstar, in due course!

]]> By: Luke http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51526 Luke Wed, 07 May 2008 07:06:17 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51526 Berny, I've got a label that applies to you: theologically arrogant. You're above your maturity level here. Berny,

I’ve got a label that applies to you: theologically arrogant. You’re above your maturity level here.

]]> By: jeff doolittle http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51497 jeff doolittle Wed, 07 May 2008 05:01:48 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51497 Robert Reymond is a contemporary author who holds to a modified form of supralapsarianism. His systematic theology is worth the read, even if you don't agree with him. He believes the main problem people have with supralapsarianism is the idea that God would choose people with no regard to the sinfulness of mankind. His system aims to remedy this problem. He makes some interesting arguments where he attempts to demonstrate that infralapsarianism doesn't really solve any of the issues raised by Arminians and other non-Calvinists. I'm not convinced by Reymond, but he provides some worthwhile food for thought. http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=91317 Robert Reymond is a contemporary author who holds to a modified form of supralapsarianism. His systematic theology is worth the read, even if you don’t agree with him. He believes the main problem people have with supralapsarianism is the idea that God would choose people with no regard to the sinfulness of mankind. His system aims to remedy this problem. He makes some interesting arguments where he attempts to demonstrate that infralapsarianism doesn’t really solve any of the issues raised by Arminians and other non-Calvinists.

I’m not convinced by Reymond, but he provides some worthwhile food for thought.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=91317

]]> By: Berny http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51327 Berny Tue, 06 May 2008 20:05:13 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51327 "Luke..Amen to that!! I was so relieved Michael to hear that you are a infralapsarian . Who on earth believes this nonsense!!?? Obviously quite a number, given that they have a label to describe them…after all…who doesn’t have a label these days?? I personally believe that the Godhead probably had much better, productive and far more worthwhile things to do with Their time, like enjoying spending time together in divine community!" Well Gosh! That's wonderful that you personally feel that way! I wasn't sure I was going to be able to get any sleep tonight knowing that I was unsure of where you stood on this topic. I've got a label that applies to you: theological dilettante. You're out of your depth here. “Luke..Amen to that!! I was so relieved Michael to hear that you are a infralapsarian . Who on earth believes this nonsense!!?? Obviously quite a number, given that they have a label to describe them…after all…who doesn’t have a label these days??

I personally believe that the Godhead probably had much better, productive and far more worthwhile things to do with Their time, like enjoying spending time together in divine community!”

Well Gosh! That’s wonderful that you personally feel that way!

I wasn’t sure I was going to be able to get any sleep tonight knowing that I was unsure of where you stood on this topic.

I’ve got a label that applies to you: theological dilettante. You’re out of your depth here.

]]> By: britphil http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51140 britphil Tue, 06 May 2008 13:28:02 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51140 "Sounds pretty evil and distorted to me!" Luke..Amen to that!! I was so relieved Michael to hear that you are a infralapsarian . Who on earth believes this nonsense!!?? Obviously quite a number, given that they have a label to describe them...after all...who doesn't have a label these days?? I personally believe that the Godhead probably had much better, productive and far more worthwhile things to do with Their time, like enjoying spending time together in divine community! “Sounds pretty evil and distorted to me!”

Luke..Amen to that!! I was so relieved Michael to hear that you are a infralapsarian . Who on earth believes this nonsense!!?? Obviously quite a number, given that they have a label to describe them…after all…who doesn’t have a label these days??

I personally believe that the Godhead probably had much better, productive and far more worthwhile things to do with Their time, like enjoying spending time together in divine community!

]]> By: Ellen http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51070 Ellen Tue, 06 May 2008 11:25:15 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51070 I think you should have the "word of the day" made into one of those little sidebar programs so that we can install it right on our blogs and have it automatically change every day... ;-) I think you should have the “word of the day” made into one of those little sidebar programs so that we can install it right on our blogs and have it automatically change every day…

;-)

]]> By: bethyada http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-51001 bethyada Tue, 06 May 2008 09:20:17 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-51001 Here's an <a href="http://evangelicalarminians.com/node/34" rel="nofollow"> interesting analogy</a> for sublapsarianism and supralapsarianism, as well as non-Calvinist positions using the idea of falling out of a boat and God getting us back in. Here’s an interesting analogy for sublapsarianism and supralapsarianism, as well as non-Calvinist positions using the idea of falling out of a boat and God getting us back in.

]]> By: Luke http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2008/05/06/theological-word-of-the-day-supralapsarianism/#comment-50912 Luke Tue, 06 May 2008 05:50:15 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?p=800#comment-50912 Sounds pretty evil and distorted to me! Sounds pretty evil and distorted to me!

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