Comments on: Acknowledging Jesus as a Failed Leader

By: trmahoney01

trmahoney01 — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:14:06 +0000

I’m not sure how i can agree with your definition of a leader. You can’t simply base leadership on how many followers you have. That’s terribly illogical. Also, you can’t judge Jesus this way. He was not sent to the world to be the all powerful Hitler-type person. Now this doesn’t mean that Jesus wasn’t a leader. Just because he had 12 core followers doesn’t mean he didn’t have a following elsewhere. After Jesus left, his followers spread the gospel far and wide, making Christianity one of the most popular religions in the world. Sounds like a darn good leader to me.

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By: chuck

chuck — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:55:47 +0000

Yes, and thank you Ruth!

All of this “practical” application of biblical persons and situations… to “train” people how to be “successful” is just disgusting.

As in Isaiah 52:13, the servant would “act wisely” “prudently” etc… then chapter 53 goes on to describe the “suffering servant” as the one who was acting prudent. Who is going to write that model to emulate?

All of this stuff is simply redressed charismatic legalism. “If you get it all right, and do it all right…God will be forced to bless you!”

The special Greek word for this is the Greek word, “baloney.”

By: Ruth Tucker « Can these bones live?

Ruth Tucker « Can these bones live? — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:56:40 +0000

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By: SH

SH — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:33:53 +0000

Interesting post! You definitely have some good points. I too believe that the world could never adhere to the leadership of Jesus. Even though, you find Jesus as a failed leader based upon today’s standards, I would like to challenge that view. If one believes in “proof-texting” (taking passages of scripture out of context to make our view fit with the Bible) there is definite failure. By failure I mean, one’s presupposition is completely antithetical to how one should exegetically discover the principals of the Bible. Our paradigms are too muddied and cluttered with failed experiences and wrong perspectives that when we approach the Bible with our idea of leadership, we can very easily either find that Jesus was a success or a failure.

However, we are to read the Bible in light of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not a novel that has empty words. The Bible is alive and when read will impact the reader forever. However, if we read the Bible trying to validate our principles and perspectives we FAIL to be changed and to allow the LIVING WORD to take over our lives.

When I read through the Gospels I see Jesus effectively influencing a period of time. Your definition and explanation of leadership and Jesus’ leadership can be seen as shallow. The theory behind leadership is followership; however, the practical implications of leadership is what you addressed earlier, LEGACY. Leadership is influence, relationships, shared purpose, etc. It is more than having followers. We must not forget the crowds, the disciples, the angels, the demons, the Pharisees, and other religious groups. Each group including the demons and Pharisees were very concerned about His influence and His followers’; therefore, they devised a plan to kill Him.

What “leader” in today’s culture do you think has had such a following as Jesus?