An Emerging Understanding of “Orthodox” - Part 2: Six Views of Orthodoxy
Christians have different presuppositions that they bring to their theology. This does not make it right or wrong, but we must understand that the unexamined presupposition is not worth having. Our view of history is no different. It is a presupposition that we bring when asking the question What does it means to be “orthodox”? (see part 1 in this series here).
There are really six primary views that I find represented in the church today. I am going to try to explain these views using both established and original terminology. I have tried to stay away from certain terms such as “neo-orthodox” and “emerging orthodox” so as not to skew perspectives and stack the deck against them.
1. aOrthodoxy. Belief that there is no such thing as orthodoxy as a set of “right beliefs” or, at the very least, Christianity should not be defined by our beliefs except in a very minimalistic way. This view of orthodoxy takes a very pessimistic view of the Church’s need and ability to define truth, believing that orthopraxy (”right practice”) is the only thing that should be in focus. This pessimistic approach is influenced by the belief that defining the “boundaries” of Christianity according to beliefs has brought nothing but shame and divisiveness to Christianity. This is illustrated most in the bloodshed of the inquisition, Crusades, and wars among Christians. To be labeled “orthodox” or “unorthodox” to the aOrthodox is an arrogant power play that is oppressive to the cause of Christ. Orthodoxy, therefore, is a contextualized subjective “moving target” that cannot be defined.
Primary Adherents:
Emergent Church (to be distinguished as a subset of the Emerging Church)
Strengths:
- Sees the importance of orthopraxy.
- Understands the difficulty of defining Christian orthodoxy.
Weaknesses:
- Christianity loses any distinction.
- Follows a self-defeating premise by establishing a new minimalistic orthodoxy of its own.
- Unjustifiably follows a “guilt by association” premise. Just because others killed in the name of orthodoxy does not mean that those who seek to define orthodoxy will do the same. In fact, most have not.
2. Scriptural Orthodoxy. This is the belief that Scripture alone sets the bounds of orthodoxy without any aid from the historic body of Christ. This should not be mistaken for sola Scriptura—the belief that the Scripture is our final and only infallible authority in matters of faith and practice—but as a radical rejection of any other sources of authority such as the church, tradition, natural revelation, etc. It is often referred to as solo Scriptura or nuda Scriptura. Here, there would not be any authority derived from the body of Christ, historic or contemporary, as an interpretive community that either fallibly or infallibly has the ability to define orthodoxy. Adherents would often be found saying, “No creed but the Bible.”
Primary Adherents:
Fundamentalist Protestants
Strengths:
- Understands that the Bible is the only infallible source.
- Causes people to go back to the source (ad fontes).
Weaknesses:
- Discounts the historic Church as a Spirit illuminated interpreter of the Scriptures that must be respected as a voice (albeit fallible) of God.
- Creates their own orthodoxy based upon their subjective interpretation. This way there will be many orthodoxies.
- Often results in cults who deny essential elements of Christian theology that have been held throughout church history.
- Fails to see that we stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before us.
3. Paleo-Orthodoxy. This is the belief that the Christian faith can be found in the consensual beliefs of the church. This is a form of “consensual orthodoxy” (consensus fidelium). This search for consensus follows the dictum of Saint Vincent of Lérins: quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus, “that which was believed everywhere, always.” Normally, according to Thomas Oden, who coined the term “paleo-orthodoxy,” this consensual faith can be found in the first five centuries of the Christian church (Oden, Requiem: A Lament in Three Movements), before the “speculative scholasticism” of western Catholicism. The idea of theological progression is normally thought by strict adherents of Paleo-Orthodoxy as a post-enlightenment influenced methodology that should not be followed.
Primary Adherents:
Eastern Orthodoxy, some Evangelicals, and Emerging Christians (not Emergent as I have defined it in my writings)
Strengths:
- Looks to the historic body of Christ for orthodoxy.
- Understands that God’s providential concern for the Church would have established the most important truths early.
Weaknesses:
- Can elevate the authority of the early church above that of Scripture.
- Hard to find justifiable reasons to believe that theology cannot develop or mature beyond the first five centuries.
4. Dynamic Orthodoxy. This view of orthodoxy would be highly influenced by a dialectical approach to theological development, believing that orthodoxy is not in any sense static, but dynamically changing as new discoveries are being made. Early views of orthodoxy might be completely overshadowed by new discoveries. This approach has characterized the more liberal theologians, especially in the early twentieth century. Theology, according to dynamic orthodoxy, can change radically in an antithetical way once new discoveries are made through the advancements of human knowledge.
Primary Adherents:
Liberal Christianity
Strengths:
Open to change and advancement.
Weaknesses:
- Too open to change and advancement.
- Christianity loses any roots.
- Often values the credibility of human progress above the credibility of Scripture.
5. Developmental Orthodoxy. This view of orthodoxy is unique to Roman Catholicism, therefore, it must be understood according to the Catholic view of authority. Developmental Orthodoxy sees the fullness of Christian orthodoxy contained in the one deposit of faith given by Christ to the apostles. These Apostles handed this deposit over in two forms of tradition, written and spoken. The written tradition is found in the Scriptures, the spoken is primarily contained in the early church. This tradition is interpreted by the infallible magisterial authorities in the Roman Catholic church. Orthodoxy itself is defined progressively by this authority as situations develop throughout time. According to this theory, it is not as if orthodoxy develops ex nihilo, but only as the situations make necessary. Once orthodoxy has been defined, then Christians are responsible to believe it, even if it was previously obscure or non-existent (e.g. acceptance of the Apocrypha, assumption of Mary, rejection of birth control).
Primary Adherents:
Roman Catholics
Strengths:
- Can be more definitive about a definition of orthodoxy.
- Ability to contextualize orthodoxy.
- Sees value in church history.
Weaknesses:
- No regulation for abuse in the Magisterium.
- No justification for an authoritative system of infallibility beyond pragmatism.
- Elements of newly established orthodoxy that cannot be found in church history is hard to justify.
- Does not take a consensual approach to orthodoxy which, in the end, positions most members of the Christian faith, living and dead, as unorthodox according to their current definition.
6. Progressive Orthodoxy. This is the belief that the ultimate authority for the Christian faith is found only in the Scriptures (sola Scriptura) and that orthodoxy is a progressive development of the Church’s understanding of the Scriptures. Like paleo-orthodoxy, progressive orthodoxy seeks the consensus of the Church throughout time for the core essential theological issues, finding most of these in the early church expressed in the ecumenical councils. But it also believes that our understanding of these issues can and may mature both through articulation and added perspective. This “maturing” does not amount to any essential change, but only progressive development as theological issues are brought to the table of church history through controversy and exegetical discovery. In other words, once orthodoxy has been established, its antithetical opposite cannot be entertained. Orthodoxy can only be advanced.
Adherents:
Most Evangelicals, Protestant Reformers, some emergers.
Here is the chart that illustrates this view:

Weaknesses:
- Often hard to define what is the difference is between maturity and change.
- Who defines when a doctrine has “matured”?
Strengths:
- It is anchored in the Bible while having a great respect for tradition.
- Leaves the door open for the Holy Spirit to mature the church’s understanding.
- Seeks first to define orthodoxy in a consensual way.
- Leaves room to distinguish between essential elements of orthodoxy and non-essential.
Of the options given above, in my opinion the two that are the most credible are Paleo-Orthodoxy and Progressive Orthodoxy. Both are rooted in the ultimate authority of Scripture and both have a high view of God’s providential care throughout Church history. I appreciate the consensual approach which I think must be present to some degree if one is to have a proper defense of the history of the Church.
In the end, however, I do lean in the direction of the Progressive Orthodox view. I believe that all the essential doctrines of Christianity were established in the early Church, but that their maturation came throughout church history. Some, such as the doctrine of the Trinity, matured earlier than others. Because of this, we find that these enjoy a greater Christian consensus. I put a higher priority on these. Yet I also believe that we need to take seriously others which matured later, even if they do not enjoy the same consensus (i.e. sola fide—which I believe existed in seed form in the early church, but did not develop more fully until the controversy of the sixteenth century.)
The distinction between the orthodoxy established in the early church and the later developing tradition based orthodoxy must be made and reflected upon. I have argued such here.
Where do you all stand?
quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus
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- An Emerging Understanding of “Orthodox” - Part 2: Six Views of Orthodoxy
- An Emerging Understanding of Orthodox
- An Emerging Understanding of “Orthodox” - Part 3: The Maturing of Orthodoxy
- An Emerging Understanding of “Orthodox” - Part 4: Are Catholics Orthodox?
- In Defense of Sola Scriptura - Part One
Damian Romano on 16 Mar 2008 at 8:22 am #
Well, I too would have to lean toward Progressive Orthodoxy. Reason being, I agree that much of Christian orthodoxy was recognized in the early church. That is, the fundamental heart of Christian doctrine which is as revealed in Scripture was firmly established in the centuries following the Apostles. The debate usually surrounds the notion of who has the authority to define what are the essential doctrines (orthodoxy) is.
chad winters on 16 Mar 2008 at 8:52 am #
Hmm….I am torn between the paleo and progressve options. Perhaps if you mad a cool graphic of the paleo version to match the progressive version? Like a thin line of the “faith once and for all delivered to the saints” with accretions accumulating over time that have to be scraped off like barnacles on a ship?
C Michael Patton on 16 Mar 2008 at 9:24 am #
Chad, you and your barnacles.
ronquiggins on 16 Mar 2008 at 6:34 pm #
Seems a little hard on the Scriptural Orthodoxy view that is tagged to “fundamentals”. I rather doubt that current day fundamentals take the stance that you depict here. I, am probably a “soft” fundamental but certainly believe that historic doctrinal development should be leaned upon. Without such work (led by Holy Spirit) we would not even have the doctrine of the trinity plus many other key doctrines. Maybe there is a Neo-Scriptural Orthodoxy view that would be more realistic than the Scriptural Orthodoxy which you depict. I suspect that it would come close to your Progressive Orthodoxy view and reflect true fundamental views with more fidelity.
I realize how difficult it is to accurately reflect all the categories and I truly appreciate your approach here - just think you missed this one farther than others.
C Michael Patton on 16 Mar 2008 at 6:51 pm #
Ron, think of each of these as a spectrum. People can be in between on any. They are representative of the main positions, but not meant to pigeon hole where one has to be.
Chris on 16 Mar 2008 at 11:28 pm #
And how does Progressive Orthodoxy avoid embracing Eastern Orthodoxy, or at least a great part of it, as the consensus of the church in the first thousand years?
C Michael Patton on 16 Mar 2008 at 11:33 pm #
It would, it would just progress further.
Peter Haas on 17 Mar 2008 at 5:49 am #
I guess I would side with Progressive Orthodoxy, with the exception that much of what goes for Orthodoxy today is based on fundamental error in the early Church - especially the Council of Nicea. I completely disagree with Replacement Theology and encourage everyone to read Dr. Daniel Gruber’s two books: Copernicus and the Jews, THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND FAITH, and The Church and the Jews, The Biblical Relationship. These books will rock your world!
ronquiggins on 17 Mar 2008 at 6:13 am #
Peter
The Separation of Church and Faith is listed but not available on Amazon.com. Can you tell us more by listing the key suppositions of the book?
Jugulum on 17 Mar 2008 at 9:15 am #
Michael, I’m shocked, simply SHOCKED, that you neglected what may be the singlemost common approach to orthodoxy:
meOrthodoxy: “Orthodoxy is defined by whatever I happen to think first.”
This has two important sub-branches:
spOrthodoxy: “…because the Holy Spirit guides me.”
jOrthodoxy: “…because I am Jugulum.”
ChestertonianRambler on 17 Mar 2008 at 9:18 am #
I’m no theologian (yet, at least), but the perspective that most changed my view of the subject *seems* to be missing from the list. I suppose it is a subset of paleo-orthodoxy.
The idea is that, even though orthodoxy is true for the church (in as much as it remains faithful and not needing reform) in all times and all places, it inhabits each social situation in a different manner. The obvious example is democracy, which puts every Christian in a political position not directly anticipated in Scriptures. But the principal seemed broader–that the Church is responsible for “translating” the message of God into both words and actions within the culture, even as it stresses the continuity of the message.
rick on 17 Mar 2008 at 10:00 am #
I too find myself between paleo and progressive. I appreciate the progressive position and cannot rule it out as a possibility, but the paleo concern for the distance of time since the apostles, and the concern for modernity causing an overly skewed perspective holds validity. In the end it looks like the two positions are not that far apart, and that the threshold for maturing “orthodox” insights would have to be very, very high.
Jugulum on 17 Mar 2008 at 10:32 am #
Chestertonian,
I think that’s more a matter of application of orthodoxy to particular situations, than it is a matter of defining orthodoxy.
This list is concerned with definition & articulation of the true, timeless principles of Christianity. As you put it, definition of that which is true in all times and all places.
The perspective you’re talking about is very important–we need to understand how Biblical principles apply in various contexts. But I think it would go on a different scale. It’s the same difference between defining the main content of an expositional sermon, and discussing the application of that content to an individual’s or congregation’s life. Or, after we’ve heard the word, how do we do the word?
I don’t think I’d say it’s a subset of paleo-orthodoxy. I’d say that it could go with any of the 6 views. (Though aOrthodoxy and Dynamic Orthodoxy would tend to deny or minimize the existence of timeless truths. And proponents of Scriptural Orthodoxy might have trouble with the seeming relativism of “different applications at different times in different places.”)
chrismw on 17 Mar 2008 at 2:31 pm #
I take the Paleo-orthodox view for the most part.
Our Church was basically united for the 1st mill
Christianity has been divided during the 2nd mill
Let us hope that our work will re-unite the Church during the 3rd mill
Once we get back together and stop embarrassing our Lord, we can move on toward either 5 or 6. Any current development or progress occurs in a sad state of disunity.
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Dan on 19 Mar 2008 at 12:10 pm #
One note on Paleo-Orthodoxy. Vincent’s Canon, “Always, everywhere and by all” assumed that scripture was authoritative. In his Commonitorium, without looking up the quote, he basically said that everybody agreed the scriptures were authoritative, the dispute was about what the scriptures meant. The consensus of the early church Vicent sought was a consensus about the interpretation of scripture.
Thomas Oden, likewise said in his “Rebirth of Orthodoxy”, something to the effect that the history of orthodoxy is the history of exegesis.
I say this to point out that my understanding of Paleo-orthodoxy is that it is a consensus of biblical interpretation, which would set it apart from a view that would allow tradition to add “barnacles” to the boat of orthodoxy. It is meant to be limited to the text, as I understand it, and prefer it.
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An Emergent Theology on 30 Mar 2008 at 12:18 pm #
Michael,
It really feels like you want to make theology into something that “feels” like science. Why all the need for distinctions and rigid definitions? Isn’t that a product of the modern fundamentalist movement that is still shaking it is shoes after its inability to disprove Charles Darwin?
C Michael Patton on 30 Mar 2008 at 8:38 pm #
Emergent,
It could be, but why do you feel the need to label me as such?
An Emergent Theology on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:11 am #
Michael,
Are you talking about the label “fundamentalist”? I don’t mean that as a insult. I assume it is a label you accept and it is appropriate in relation to your agenda and views. If you have a better label, I’ll use it out of respect for you. Labels are not particularly good to use, but it does help to make conversations more concise.
Can you explain how you derive the “weaknesses” of liberal christianity (I’ll accept that label for sake of discussion here even though I don’t particularly like it either)?
-Too open to change and advancement. how can change/growth and advancement be a weakness? Seems like a strength to me.
-Christianity loses any roots. How is that? Liberal scholarship is consumed with the study of our roots including discovering the jewish roots of christian faith and even the pagan roots of christian faith. Liberals are very much focused on history. We focus on discovering the original contexts of our scriptures and traditions. Liberal scholarship is largely responsible for many of the latest archeological and textual discoveries.
-Often values the credibility of human progress above the credibility of Scripture. liberal scholarship deeply rooted in scripture. The whole point of our scripture is human progress toward the kingdom of God. By looking at human progress we are being true to scripture. I see no need to choose one over the other. You create a false dichotomy with this unreasonable criticism.
thanks for the conversation!
-Mike L.
C Michael Patton on 31 Mar 2008 at 11:06 am #
I think we have different definitions of liberal and fundamentalist.
An Emergent Theology on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:29 pm #
That is why you need to stick to definitions of your own group. Don’t try to define something you don’t understand. Why not ask a Liberal about the strengths and weaknesses of thier faith?
If liberalism was what you think it is, then nobody would want to be a liberal. If you understood liberalism, then you would want to be one because you would realize the Bible is a liberal document. This is the problem with our current polarization. People don’t seek to understand others. They are more interested in labels and artificial definitions.
What your definitions really show is that when you agree with a new idea, then the “holy spirit” creates “maturity”. If you don’t agree with it, then it wasn’t properly inspired or it is not biblical. This is just self-serving uncritical thinking. Your definitions sound like Bill Clinton wrote them in order to spin the reader in the direction you need.
Why not use the same terms in each category? Why does your view “mature” when it makes changes, but another view “loses its roots” when it progresses. That is pure spin, not a solid study of the facts.
C Michael Patton on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:48 pm #
What do I not understand?
I think one fallacy that you may be making is that you have to be something to understand something? Is that right. I have been a liberal, fundamentalist, evangelical, and an emerging Christian. Would that make you feel better if you thought that were true? Maybe it is. Maybe I, like McLaren, define myself as having elements of all. Maybe I see value in each, even if they are wrong. How about that?
Anyway, you have not really said what I have misdefined.
chrismw on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:51 pm #
Emergent,
You consider your ‘new’ and ‘mature’ view of the resurrection to be
the best ’study of the facts’?
Lay out for us the facts that lead you to this UnOrthodox, UnScriptural, Unhistorical, and UnBelievable claim.
Thanks.
BTW, paragraph 3 from post 23, doesn’t sound like you would apply that to yourself. If I am wrong, then tell me what parts of your childhood faith were not Biblical.
C Michael Patton on 31 Mar 2008 at 9:55 pm #
Also Emergent:
You said: “What your definitions really show is that when you agree with a new idea, then the “holy spirit†creates “maturityâ€. If you don’t agree with it, then it wasn’t properly inspired or it is not biblical. This is just self-serving uncritical thinking. Your definitions sound like Bill Clinton wrote them in order to spin the reader in the direction you need.”
Why do you have to label me. Labels don’t help.
An Emergent Theology on 01 Apr 2008 at 9:11 am #
Chris,
You said: “You consider your ‘new’ and ‘mature’ view of the resurrection to be the best ’study of the facts”
I don’t have any kind of “new” view of the resurrection. What I’ve done is look for the original view prior to the later artificial orthodoxy. I’m embracing my christian roots in the jewish tradition of midrash that produced the mythical stories about Jesus. Sorry Michael, liberalism is about finding roots and grounding them in history rather than grounding them in myth and authoritarian doctrines.
If you want me to “lay out” the facts, then i will. Here they are:
http://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Reality-John-Shelby-Spong/dp/B000GG4IU6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207058239&sr=8-1
I hope the above link works, there is no “preview” option on this site. If not, the book is “Resurrection: myth or reality?” by John Shelby Spong. We can discuss the book after you’ve read it if you like. It should be a great discussion.
you said: “then tell me what parts of your childhood faith were not Biblical.”
Many of the doctrines I was taught as a child were misleading. They focused on a literalist reading of mythical stories and missed the intended meaning of the stories. They missed the “jewishness” of christianity and ignored the political and social intentions of many authors. Atonement theories and rapture literalization are not solid exegetical work. They are pet theories applied back over the text for selfish reasons, religious competition, and bigotry.
chrismw on 01 Apr 2008 at 12:53 pm #
What authority does Emergent appeal to?
Listen tight, the Lord is Jewish, most of His Apostles were Jewish, if midrash was on the curriculum, Jesus would have made sure to instruct them about that after the actual, bodily resurrection [as opposed to the gnostic/docetic "he arose in our hearts" view].
To be sure He was busy instructing them in all things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
Sure the Apostles were human, very fragile, they could have forgotten 40 days of Instruction from God Incarnate [& Resurrected-victorious over death] but they get some help… not many days hence.
We will never avoid the Authority question.
An Emergent Theology on 01 Apr 2008 at 1:30 pm #
Chris,
You said: “if midrash is on the curriculum, Jesus would have made sure to instruct them about that…”
Jesus absolutely addressed midrash. He even did some himself. The prodigal son, the good samaritan, etc. Every record of his teaching points to a man steeped in midrash storytelling tradition. His use of metaphorical language was profound. It seems obvious that his followers would teach about him with the same metaphorical methods he taught about God.
Jesus was well aware of midrash and uses Rabbi Hillel’s teaching who was a famous midrash author 100 years early and whose grandson was the rabbi who taught the apostle Paul.
“What is hateful to thee, do not to another. That is the whole law and all else is explanation.” - Rabbi Hillel (b Shabbatt 31a; cf. Avot de R. Natan ii.26)
The Gospels are not labeled “midrash”, but guess what? Neither are any of the other midrash texts filling the libraries of Jewish antiquities. They would not have imagined others would come along later and miss their deeper meanings by taking them literally. The label was not necessary.
An Emergent Theology on 01 Apr 2008 at 1:36 pm #
Chris,
“What authority does Emergent appeal to?”
You will need to be more specific. Are you asking me about the authority for understanding ancient midrash texts? Are you asking me about the authority for enforcing crime in my city or for outlining my job requirements? I’m not dodging your question, I just want to make sure I understand your question clearly before I answer.
chrismw on 01 Apr 2008 at 1:51 pm #
My concluding thoughts.
Emergent,
broadly speaking I am #3 on Michael’s list.
maybe you are #4, you might not like the label, but your posting is telling.
Our assumptions are at odds–I admit that. You can take Spong, I’ll take St. Paul. et. al.
Christ and His Church are my authority, ever. They claim that He rose bodily.
You simply sound like you think you’re smarter than the Apostles and Church Fathers.
I am not interested in pursuing it further, your blogsite is evidence enough of what you believe. P&P should not host our bickering. I think you are confusing the idea of Myth in Antiquity, if I have time I’ll take that up at your place.
An Emergent Theology on 01 Apr 2008 at 2:26 pm #
I hope this isn’t taken or viewed as bickering. This probably looks like a love fest compared to most of the church father’s debates! I have the utmost respect for your faith and your intellect. I’m sure both are equal or greater than mine. I don’t mean to suggest that your faith or intellect is in question. It is information and interpretation of that information that is in question.
I do not think I’m smarter than the Apostles are. I do feel that I know more about physics, cosmology, and biology than they do. I know more about baseball too! I don’t think it makes me smarter. I just have 2000 years of knowledge to work with. Someone 500 years from now will laugh at my understandings of the universe as people already recognize Einstein fell short on certain issues.
Did you mean to overlook my request for clarification on the issue of authority?
You said: “Christ and His Church are my authority”
Me too! I join you in that pledge! What about when our authority figures are wrong? Can you claim a protestant faith, yet also ignore the reformation. Can you simply drive a stake in the ground of theological progress and say “NO MORE LEARNING!” If you look at Michael’s own diagram of his own faith, you notice that progress and continuation of learning is important.
chrismw on 01 Apr 2008 at 2:53 pm #
Okay, last one for real.
*I just have 2000 years of knowledge to work with*
Since the library at Alexandria is gone…
They had 1000s of years of knowledge you never will have.
so there. (jesting but true)
*If you look at Michael’s own diagram of his own faith*
I am not totally on board with CMP’s position. I take the covenant renewal position of learning. That is why I go back to the beginning and sit at their feet. If I ever understand them I haven’t come up with something new, just understood it afresh. It might sound new to Moderns or PoMos.
Sometimes I think the magisterium is that way…a living moving thing…just VERY slowly. Like antique panes of glass always sag because of gravity–they look like they’ve melted, but they haven’t. They were actually in motion the whole time–just VERY slowly.
If progress or development happen in a re-unified Church, then I’m Okay with it. We have to bury the weapons and trust one another again. See my comment #14.
An Emergent Theology on 01 Apr 2008 at 4:23 pm #
Do you think that 1000 years of knowledge collected in Alexandria is really gone? I’m sure things were lost and books were not all recreated, but civilization didn’t start over. Knowledge (logos) cannot be confined to books. Books just point to and help transmit the knowledge that has a life of its own outside and through the texts. That knowledge didn’t vanish in the fires.
fyi… that is a METAPHOR, so don’t take it literally and assume that I think knowledge is literally a “being” walking around the world or can pass through the matter of the books.
You said: “We have to bury the weapons and trust one another again.”
Really? Trust one another? Are you now going to allow our fellow Christians to have authority in your life? We can’t trust people, can we?
Panes of glass, sit at their feet, bury weapons
You sure do use lots of symbolic language. Maybe you too realize it would be impossible to talk about matters of faith without using symbolism to convey the deeper meanings.
peace (I mean that!),
-Mike
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