The Ordination of Butch or “Modern Day Simony”

*NOTE: While this story is true, names, addresses, and particular details have been changed for obvious purposes.Â
With respect to the common concern that is being voiced about the problems that the church is facing, let me share with you a recent experience of a friend of mine.
While on the internet my friend came across a pastor who he thought had some interesting comments. This pastor had the title of Rev. This means that he is either a self-proclaimed minister or he has been ordained in an official capacity by an organization that has the legal right to declare someone a minister.
Theoretically, an ordination gives the ordained party the approval of an established community to minister in the Church. From the standpoint of the government, this party is then recognized as a “religious worker.” Once the approval is official, the newly ordained Rev. has many benefits, among those is the tax exempt status with regards to housing allowance (whatever bills you pay with respect to your home, you don’t get taxed on). In the Christian church, they are recognized as a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and can lead, pastor, or even start a church.
My friend went to the website of the organization that ordained this individual and noticed that they take ordination applications online. Here is what it said:
“Get ordained fast and easily, and begin your own ministry! As a legally ordained reverend, you will be able to conduct weddings, perform funerals, baptisms and other functions of the ministry.”
This was a bit confusing to him since he did not know anyone from the ordination committee and they did not know him, yet they were going to allow him to apply?
I know what you are thinking—there must be a catch. Money has to be involved somehow. But this is not the case. The website says:
“There is no charge or obligation connected to your ordination. Ordination is for life, without charge . . .”
“Well,” you might say, ”This cannot be that easy. How would this group know whether or not I have been truly called into ministry?” The answer is that your ordination will be reviewed by a team of pastors (who no doubt were ordained by the same organization) who will carefully and prayerfully consider your application. Here is what they say:
“Your ordination request will be reviewed by pastoral staff.”
Just in case you thought that this was a little fishy, the committee adds,
“Please understand that ’instant online ordinations’ do not exist.” The internet cannot ordain you. Your ordination request must be reviewed before your ordination can legal. You cannot be given your credential automatically by a computer!”
Phew! And I thought that this smelled of the famous St. Peter’s Basilica ordinations of the 16th century. No, this is serious business folks. We are talking about the church.
Oh one more thing. I forgot to finish the sentence earlier. This would be a good time to do so for those of you who fear you still might not be qualified for ordination into ministry.Â
“There is no charge or obligation connected to your ordination. Ordination is for life, without charge and without question of faith.”
No question of faith? What does this ordination committee review? I guess they just make sure that your name is spelled right and that you are a real person. Hold that thought. No, scratch that. They don’t check to see if you are a real person.
Here is the response that my friend got within an hour of his application (with some alterations to protect the parties involved):
_________________
Butch Peters
1239 Morton Rd
Leslie TX
has been ordained as a minister of the
________ ____ Church, USA.
Date of Ordination: 1/29/2008
by ________ _______, Pastor
What you did not notice was that after prayerful consideration by the pastoral ordination committee of this Church, my friend just ordained his dog. Rev. Butch now has the legal right to pastor or start a church and is tax exempt from all housing.
Amen Butch.
Folks, this is serious stuff. And it is not really funny. There are many people out there leading God’s people who simply are not qualified in any way. They are running and starting churches. They are shepherding the flock of God. Ordination is serious business (or it should be). There has got to be a higher accountability.
If you want to be a minister, great. God speed. But be willing to go through the necessary training and approval process. Cracker Jack ordinations are immoral.
*UPDATE: While looking over this website, I did find that you can “upgrade” your ordination for a certain amount of money. Prior to the Reformation, there was a practice in the church called Simony. The church was selling the office of bishop (elder) in order to fund building projects. The name “Simony” was taken from the account in Acts where Simon the Magician sought to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit for money.Â
Acts 8:18-24 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
While the Reformation brought about a denouncement of such practices by both Catholics and Protestants, it would seem that many in the Protestant church have gotten over their bitterness. (Or they just don’t have knowledge or concern about church history—you choose.)
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Eric S. Mueller on 31 Jan 2008 at 2:15 pm #
I agree. Early in my Christian walk I came across two organizations that grant ordination. One required a significant monetary investment and about two years of distance learning to gain their ordination. The other, I believe is the same one you just wrote about, although I will leave out the name. I hesitated back and forth for quite a while over the decision to fill out their online form and take an ordination. I probably wrestled with this for more than a year. I finally realized that I would not not treat it seriously. It would be little more to me than a “look what I got in the mail” type of claim. However, long before I came to that conclusion, I wrestled with the “…and without question of faith” clause. This organization requires you to recognize everybody else’s “freedom” to believe whatever they want. I found the organization to be very universalist, and as a supposed minister I realized I could not live up to or accept the very requirements that would ordain me. I walked away. I have since learned that a servant of Christ does not need a piece of paper to minister to others.
C Michael Patton on 31 Jan 2008 at 2:29 pm #
Eric, you are right, ordination is not a piece of paper, it a community recognition of your call to the Gospel of Christ. I believe that ordination is important—extremely important—for a minister to have. I value my ordination more than I value my seminary degree in many ways. My seminary degree affirmed my educational creditials, but my ordination affirmed my call.
dac on 31 Jan 2008 at 2:47 pm #
This begs the question “what is the proper process for ordination?”
That would be a topic I would like to hear your views on
John Elliott on 31 Jan 2008 at 3:25 pm #
Michael,
Great points. Oh what perils we face when we do not know our history as
Protestants.
All the more reason to enroll in The Theology Program.
Why are some people “so resistant to training/education” especially in a
seminary context? I hear a lot of times, “I do not need a training, etc,” I am
lead “by the spirit of God.”
Seems like a lot of Solo Scriptura rather than Sola Scriptura.
I appreciate the feedback!
Steve Moore on 31 Jan 2008 at 3:35 pm #
And as you feel so strongly that a church needs an officially ordained leader, does this basically rule out elder led churches? (where a group of individuals who meet the Biblical requirements for an elder serve as the ministers and leaders for a local body).
I agree that what the website is doing is silly. I found one a while back that let you choose different titles. I mean, if I wanted to do that, I’d go for something REALLY cool like the official title of “Big Kahuna” or “Grand Poo-bah”. I cant see someone genuinely thinking this is a legitimate ordiniation and thus it makes me suspect their theology or their motives. If I were in a church and on a hiring comittee and someone claimed a title, “who ordained you” would be a definite question. If it were this place, then I’d have my answer already. ;^)
-steve
Bill on 31 Jan 2008 at 3:37 pm #
I too believe that this is even more reason to applaud the efforts you guys make with The Theology Program.
In today’s open communication environment; internet, TV, radio, etc., you can hear, read, or see almost anything. Combine the ease of communication with today’s postmodern culture, discernment becomes even more critical for the Christian.
If you do not educate yourself and think through a proper theology, then your theology will take on the flavor of the month.
I believe to be steadfast in your faith, you must be first be steadfast in your theology and I give the highest recommendation to The Theology Program. You will not be “spoon fed.” You will have to really think, but you will not be disappointed.
stevemoore on 31 Jan 2008 at 5:00 pm #
Michael,
I agree that what the website is doing is silly and ultimately dangerous. I found one a while back that let you choose different titles. I mean, if I wanted to do something like that, I’d go for a REALLY cool one like the official title of “Big Kahuna” or “Grand Poo-bah”.
I can’t see someone genuinely thinking this is a legitimate ordination and thus it makes me suspect their theology or
their motives (on both the giving and receiving end). If I were in a church and on a hiring committee and someone claimed a title, “who ordained you” would be a definite question. If it were this place, then I’d have my answer already. ;^)
Question of implication from your statements:
And as you feel so strongly that a church needs an officially ordained leader, does this basically rule out elder led churches? (where a group of individuals who meet the Biblical requirements for an elder serve as the ministers and leaders for a local body).
-steve
C Michael Patton on 31 Jan 2008 at 5:18 pm #
Steve, it all depends on what the elders were expected to do. I think the qualifications for an elder vary according to the tradition. I do, however, think that there must be some type of training and community approval process for all leaders in the church. I have also been so radical as to suggest some reinstitution of apostolic succession, where the succession is in teaching, not person.
stevemoore on 31 Jan 2008 at 5:30 pm #
Thanks Michael.
In the hypothetical example I was thinking of, they would run the church in entirety. Take turns teaching, administer and organize the fellowship, serve Communion, deal with any financial type issues, delegate to others if needed, etc.
Assuming that you agreed 100% with their doctrine, would this be a-ok in terms of a “valid church” (harkening back to the Unplugged series) if the only thing they _didnt_ have was ordination or a seminary degree? I’m trying to understand if any concern is with form, function, or substance.
It sounds like your saying it may be closer to the edge of your comfort zone, but not necessarily outside it or outside of Biblical regulation. Have I understood you correctly?
Thanks - this is something a friend and I have been chewing on and debating of late.
-steve
C Michael Patton on 31 Jan 2008 at 5:35 pm #
Steve,
Serious training and community approval are both extremely important in my thinking. We call this serious training seminary and the community approval ordination. But it is the principles that matter. If there is something equivalent that is happening, I would not worry about what people call it.
Therefore, with elder led Churches, the elders must ask themselves, “What gives me the right to think I can, should, or have been called to lead a church? What makes me qualified?” Would they be qualified—I don’t know. If the elders are to oversee the buisness end of things, that is OK, but they need to be guided and overseen by a trained and ordained leader or group of leaders.
The New Testament gives us a lot of wiggle room on how to structure a church (pastors, elders, bishops, presbyters, etc), but I don’t think there is wiggle room with regards to the training and approval that must be involved with the ultimate leaders.
What does not qualify someone is their passion and the fact that they are a Christian.
kolabok21 on 31 Jan 2008 at 6:35 pm #
Two thoughts, Hell just got a little hotter (increase in damned souls, burning hotter makes room for more).
And I wonder what qualifications did people of God (prophets, judges, kings, etc of the O.T.) and the disciples of the N.T.
I believe in the former they were called by God literally to do his bidding, no questions asked! Probably more so with the disciples IMHO they had the master himself giving them the authority, (I’ll leave this as is because it would lead to another discussion involving apostolic succession laying of hands and so on and so forth) amongst of one of the most important things was the indwelling of the H.S., (but here another topic another day) with out, no one could be approved of much of anything say heretical gibberish.
It really is hard to tie two different eras with the same wisdom, is it not true?
irreverend fox on 31 Jan 2008 at 11:44 pm #
why did he name his dog after Eurgan Caner?
JohnT3 on 01 Feb 2008 at 8:35 am #
The internet can be used for so much good and of course there are times when it is used without the slightest concern for others or the damage that can be caused.
OK I have said my serious part now I cannot resist throwing out this humorus bone from a old friend of mine who pastored a Pentacostal church ; This mean that Butch is Charasmatic because he frequently heals
Chad Winters on 01 Feb 2008 at 11:19 am #
unfortunately combining “freedom of religion” with postmodernism/relativism is a setup for everyone being able to get ordained in their particular “spirituality”
The question is there any way to have a uniform authority in Protestantism? I don’t want another Pope, but I’m not sure what the answer is.
At best we can say that orthodox christians should only recognize ordinations from denominations that prove they have sound biblical, theological ordination processes.
JoanieD on 01 Feb 2008 at 6:01 pm #
JohnT3 said in #12 above, “Butch is Charismatic because he frequently heals.” Cute!
Michael said, “I have also been so radical as to suggest some reinstitution of apostolic succession, where the succession is in teaching, not person.” That’s interesting, Michael. But who would get to decide which is the correct teaching? I know the church Fathers throughout history debated certain beliefts and “voted” on things, hoping to be guided by the Holy Spirit. But can we be SURE the Holy Spirit guided all their decisions? About Galileo: “Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Inquisition” and the church leaders ruled that: “The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures”, and the converse as to the Sun’s not revolving around the Earth.”
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
That’s just an example showing that sometimes the church leaders get it WRONG. (I know that the above example was not a crucial matter of faith, but even then, the church leaders changed what they believed and taught at times, as they came to have a better understanding. So for a while at least, they taught incorrectly.)
I know most of you are not Catholic, so you may say, “Well, that was the CATHOLIC Church, not us.” But I do believe we would find “rulings” by the Reformation leaders as well that later proved to be incorrect too. I don’t believe that because a majority of any group votes on something, that the majority is necessarily “correct.” It just indicates that they “won.”
All that said, I do think you are correct that having SOME kind of body of teachings that we identify as “acceptable teachings of Christianity” is better than anyone saying they are a minister and teaching whatever they want. But I guess if the person is upfront about it, “God told me to teach this and I don’t need ordination from some men” then people are at least “warned” and if they do their own studying, they may decide the person is incorrect about things.
It used to bother me when I would hear about the Catholic Church forbidding some Catholic priest from teaching what he was teaching. But then I realized that the Catholic Church had the “right” to do that as the priest was representing the Church, its history, its understanding of things and they were paying him to do as they expected so as not to confuse the people. But I have never been one who wants to be “told” what to believe and I guestion lots of things.
Joanie D.
Jeff Thompson on 01 Feb 2008 at 7:41 pm #
This sort of thing has been going on for at least 10 years. For example, the excerpt below is from Stephen C. Weber’s ‘Daily Encourgaement.net’ website (http://www.dailyencouragement.net), an excerpt from “Articles for Ministers” (http://www.dailyencouragement.net/perspectives/articles.htm):
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11/97 A good minister
“If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed†(1 Timothy 4:6).
Several years ago I had a man in my last church that had acquired a card indicating he was a minister. I asked him how he had gotten the card and he showed me some information about an organization in California. Well, I mailed off for some information myself and I decided I would have my dog, Enoch, ordained. After all, he had been a well-behaved dog with a good name, and he did like to serve. I filled out the application indicating his name was Enoch Weber, that he was a 49-year-old male (7X7), and gave him some pretty good references, which I could do with conviction. There was no charge. Several weeks later I received a beautiful certificate (which was far more distinguished looking than my Assembly of God ordination certificate). Over the next several months Rev. Enoch Weber received more mail. Some of the mail encouraged Enoch to support an orphanage in Mexico but he didn’t feel “led”. He was offered a doctorate for $25.00, but I declined for him since the thought of him having more schooling than I might cause problems in our home. He is now deceased and if there is a doggy heaven I’m sure he’s there.
The above story is absolutely true and I still have the certificate to prove it. Was Enoch a legitimate minister? If I would have paid the $25.00 for the doctorate would this have been legitimate? Why or why not?
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Seriously, I highly Daily Encouragement.net. The Webers post a new, encouraging devotional each weekday, and the site has lots of great material. It’s been a real blessing to me.
terry on 02 Feb 2008 at 9:24 am #
although I find this subject a serious one I find that its not a new one …and our Lord himself gave instructions on it in Mark 9:38-41 …sometimes we forget that its our God that can use both good and bad to bring about His will ….