The Entertainment Driven Church
I recently decided to follow my own oft given advice and venture out to other churches just to see what the cultural landscape looks like and to stretch myself a bit.
First, I went to an evangelical high Anglican church. I was wanting to see something a little more traditional. Plus, according to the latest news about red wine and health, I needed a shot of the real thing. It was a rewarding experience. It was also interesting to be at a church that was not to concerned about whether I was there or not. There were no greeters at the door, no one really noticed when I came in, and they did not say anything to me as I left. This is not a criticism, but just an observation. They did not let anything take them away from their reverential service in which things were done in a particular order. Because of this, it was not a primary purpose to fill the pews with guests. If a guest came in, great. They could stay and worship, but they were not going to do back flips and moonwalk for anyone but Christ.
Next, I went to a church that was just the opposite. It was a popular non-denominational Evangelical associated church. It was much more alluring in its style, having a much more amplified voice with regards to recognizing newcomers. From the moment we got in the parking lot, there were signs welcoming us along with parking lot attendants waving. These guys were so enthusiastic you would think that they had been trained at Disney World. The signs pointed to valet parking for first time guests. I would have taken them up on the offer, but pride always rules (oh . . . and then there is that awkward feeling that you are supposed to give them some money even when they say they don’t take it). We were greeted by another enthusiastic character, a very nice young man, who led us around. When we told him we were first time visitors, he said “Oh, VIPs?” We then were introduced everywhere we went under this title “VIPs” (Very Important Persons). When others would hear that we were VIPs, they would have a look of excitement mixed with anxiousness. The anxiousness seemed to come from an underlying understanding that their church was focused on bringing in newcomers. Then . . . they led us to the children’s area.
Here most of the kids were playing video games along a long wall which had the game consoles built into the wall. The room itself was huge. It must have been designed by the same person who designs Chuck-E-Cheese. Seriously! (Although this is not as cool as the church we went to a few months ago where you had to climb a jungle gym two stories high and then slide through the wall in the foyer into the children’s area!)
There was an elf that met the children at the door. Also in this room was a store that had Barbies, action figures, Brats Dolls, and all of the most popular items that you would find in a Toy-R-Us catalog the day after Thanksgiving. In order for kids to get the merchandise, they had to say a memory verse and earn store credits. The first thing my kids said to me when I went to pick them up was “Daddy, can we start going to this church?” Can you blame them? For kids, this was a dream church.
Well, I really try to keep an open mind about these things knowing that one persons church is not another’s. But I had yet to go to the main service. As we walked in, I had to dodge the camera and squint to see the stage. It was dark and there was production smoke everywhere. We sat down and listened to an incredible performance by the worship team who sang many songs I was very familiar with. They were Christ centered and I sang along. I even put my hands up in the air when the worship leader instructed us to (hey, when in Rome). My wife looked at me with the “I cannot believe that you are really doing that” smile/laugh. No really, she had the I-am-hiding-my-face-because-my-husband-is-in-one-of-those-weird-aggressive-moods-and-he-is-going-to-make-a-fool-of-me look. In reality, the worship was very well done. It could have been an opening act to a U2 concert.
After the worship, then came the announcements. That is where things really got interesting. Instead of the normal Baptist list of things giving from a random person from the pulpit, the lights went dark and there was silence. On the screens up above there were prerecorded announcement videos. These were not just your hey-I-got-a-new-digital-camera-and-I-am-now-a-professional-editor videos. No, these could have been aired during the Super Bowl. Yes, they were that good. And funny! They went through four separate announcements. The first was to welcome special guests. Then one for the men’s ministry, followed by one for the women’s ministry and one for a marriage seminar that was coming up. All the videos had a different theme and was a top rate production. They were funny enough to be on Saturday Night Live (ok, that is an exaggeration, but they were funny).
I could not believe how much time and energy must have gone into making these videos. And they do it each week! (I can’t even get one short promotional video for RMM—blast it!).
Then comes the sermon. The message itself was good and helpful, but better suited for a Zig Ziggler seminar on self-motivation. He used Mark 7:33 to teach that Christ wants to deal with us each individually and wants our words to be for edification because what we think, we are.
How did he get this you ask? Well, let me show you.
Mark 7:33 Jesus took him aside from the crowd, by himself, and put His fingers into his ears, and after spitting, He touched his tongue with the saliva.
“Jesus took him aside”=Jesus wants to deal with us each individually.
“Jesus spit”=Jesus had to form the saliva in his mouth before He spit, therefore, we are to let Him form our words.
“[He] put His fingers into his ears…He touched his tongue…and his ears were opened and his speech impediment was removed” (v. 35)=sometimes we don’t hear people rightly because we already have the wrong words in our mouth. Therefore, we have to have the right words in our mouth.
Well, at least the principles are true generally, even if it has nothing whatsoever to do with the text. God does want us to listen to others and he does want us to think about what we say. As well, I believe that there is an individualistic way in which God wants to relate to us.
Once the service was over, I went and drug my kids out of the amusement park (literally) and then began to reflect.
A few points of observation (the good, the bad, and the ugly):
The Good
- I really think that these people have the best of intentions.
- They did represent excellence in arts and entertainment and thereby bring glory to God.
- They were very outreach oriented.
- They had Starbucks.
The Bad
- The focus on entertaining newcomers caused them to lose focus on truth.
- The focus on entertainment took resources away from the training of the pastors to accurately handle the word of God–the very foundation of truth from where the idea of Church comes.
- The focus on entertainment smacked of irreverence. I am not one of the high church mentality, but doesn’t the purpose of worship and study of God’s word call for seriousness at some point? There was never a time when I felt that these people knew what it meant to fear the Lord.
I want to make something really clear. I don’t have anything against amusement, entertainment, or fun. I don’t even mind it in church to some degree (I wish that some preachers would just try to entertain A LITTLE). If they had just called this an event rather than church, I would have been more at ease. Call it a Christian concert, carnival, parade, entertainment production, or whatever, but please don’t call it “church.”
The Ugly
The sad fact is that there was no educational program for people to grow deep in the faith. There were plenty of opportunities for service, outreach to the community, and fellowship, but nothing that helped these people understand the why of what they are doing. I don’t necessarily expect these type of churches to do church the exact way that I would tell them, but at least have as one of the involvement suggestions a program of theological discipleship or doctrine to encourage people to know the God they are serving.
These people had no connection to the past whatsoever. They would have no idea about the history of the church outside of the history of their local gathering. What are they connected to? What makes them think that they are qualified to bring in all these visitors? Don’t they feel the least bit of a need to have a heritage? Are they not accountable to anyone past or present?
The biggest fear that I have is that this is representative of so many well meaning people who start churches. I imagine the person who started this particular church grew up in a very boring church and set it as his primary goal to someday have a church that was fun. That is nice, but, more often than not, totally destructive. The pews are filled with people who are weak and totally unestablished in the faith. Most really don’t know what the Christian message is outside of “Jesus loves you and wants you to have a wonderful life.” Many claim Jesus, serve Him, and lift up their hands in praise, but what happens when someone or something challenges their faith? Where are they going to turn? To the shallowness of the entertaining commercials or out of context self-help lessons? Where will they go when the foundations are destroyed?
It is this type of context that gives unfortunate illustrations to books like Ruth Tucker’s Walking Away From the Faith. “I was a Christian who used to go to church every week, served on the welcoming team for years, lifted my hands in worship, went to other countries and built churches, but I came to find out that it was all false.” Really? What I want to know is did you ever find out that it was really true in the first place.
I could go on but this experience has confirmed to me the desperate shape that the modern church—the Evangelical church—is in and the need that we have for renewal. When things get tough (and they will), who will people turn to? Where will people go when the entrainment, laughter, and fun serve no purpose?
May God grant us a mindset to give people their true needs, not their felt needs.
Truth first, mission second, fellowship third, and if there is any room, throw in some entertainment.
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Daniel Eaton on 26 Jan 2008 at 11:57 pm #
WOW! Spot-on Michael. It was just such sentiments that encouraged one relative of mine to join the Antiochian Orthodox church just recently. I can’t say that some of his reasons didn’t have some merit. I think the state of the Protestant church in America is causing many to follow suit.
Lisa R on 27 Jan 2008 at 12:26 am #
Doesn’t the fact they have Starbucks mitigate the ugly?
Ok seriously, all I could do is reiterate my comment in your last post on Christian Education in the Early Church and the sad state of affairs in the modern day church. What is even worse, is that similar churches as the one you mentioned here will pronounce they are “teaching God’s Word” and throw out other popular catch phrases that allude to scriptural integrity. But unfortunately, fall short of that mark unbeknownst to many biblically illiterate followers.
I do not mean to sound harsh but I have been there and understand the lure of this type of influence. Great post!
Daniel H on 27 Jan 2008 at 2:03 am #
It sounds from your description of the Evangelical church that while the adults were worshiping the kids were . . . playing? I personally think that kids should attend the worship service, but I would have thought they’d at least have something somewhat edifying for the children.
What was rewarding about the Anglican church? Your brief description of it reminded me of the “Guide to the Order of Evensong” at Durham Cathedral:
“When you come to Evensong here, it is as if you were dropping in on a conversation already in progress - a conversation between God and his people which began long before you were born and will continue long after you are dead. So, do not be surprised or disturbed if there are some things which you do not understand straight away. For a brief moment, you step into the continual stream of worship which is being offered today and will be offered to the end of time. You are one with those who worship here on earth and in heaven.”
Eric W on 27 Jan 2008 at 2:48 am #
Three words only: Oh … my … God.
(Care to give us the name and city of the Six Flags Over Jesus church?)
And … there is coffee life after Starbucks. Spend some time drinking only freshly-ground, freshly-roasted (i.e., less than a week since roasting date) just-up-to-second-crack (or only just past it) coffee made with, e.g., an Aerobie AeroPress (the best $30 you’ll ever spend on a coffee maker), and you will wonder why you used to like Starbucks so much.
Jason on 27 Jan 2008 at 5:01 am #
I was raised in the Anglican Church and now split my fellowship between an Elim pentecostal church and the Anglicans.
Both have aspects that I don’t agree with (but then I’m not a song and dance person), but I know the Elim church tries to teach the children about Jesus and Christianity in Sunday School. The adult lessons seem a bit shallow to me, but then I’m one who doesn’t care too much about “feeling God’s presence” I want to know how solid a person’s theology is.
As I mentioned to JP Holding, in a comment he added to his response to Loftus (who describes himself as an honest doubter, when in fact he’s a dishonest unbeliever) doubt isn’t the absence of belief, it’s the wavering of belief. There were times when I’d look at the Christian message and think how unlikely it is, but then I’d look at the strong historical and circumstantial evidence for the centerpiece of Christianity, the resurrection, and think that at least this is a rational position to hold.
Now I welcome questions from younger believers because I know they’re thinking their way through their Christianity. Alas the person who heads the homegroup I attend seems to regard any questioning as a personal insult and is constantly belittling philosophy. I think I need to do a presentation entitled “The Joys of Philosophy, knowing what you believe and why.”
I don’t hold doggedly to inerrancy, because I’ve noticed that people who hold too tightly to that doctrine tend to be willing to allegorize certain parts of the Bible when it disagrees with a position they bring in from outside the Bible. For myself I don’t regard the statement “the Bible is correct” as being of any value unless the reverse “the Bible is wrong” has the possibility of also being correct. That said anyone who claims that the Bible is wrong on any point of significance had better be able to justify their case. I don’t suffer fools gladly.
If Jesus has a wonderful plan, and lives only to bless his followers, then why did his apostles die as martyrs not millionaires? Methinks that the Christian is called to suffer bleed and die in God’s service, and our reward at the end may only be the equivalent of a pat on the head and a warm bed by the fire. Working dogs don’t ask for anything more, why should we?
Chad Winters on 27 Jan 2008 at 5:19 am #
I have been more and more impressed with the conservative versions of the Anglican/Episcopal traditions (If you can find one that hasn’t gone ultra liberal)
I have begun using the Book of Common Prayer in my daily devotionals and find it much more edifying than my old evangelical “quiet time” The combination of scripture readings, prayers and psalms is great. Maybe someday if the only choice is Christian Carnival or High Church I’ll make the leap
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JoanieD on 27 Jan 2008 at 7:29 am #
Michael, I have never been to any church anything like what you describe about the “popular non-denominational Evangelical associated church.” It sounds quite amazing! I agree with you that it was more of an “event” than a church gathering. It probably fulfills a need that some people have to stay “busy.” Personally, I just wouldn’t have the energy to sustain that kind of worship, if that is what it was.
When I was attending church, I found it hard to be honest. Everyone wants you to believe exactly the way they believe or there is something “wrong” with you. Questionning, doubts, etc. wasn’t wanted. No matter what anyone tells me, I do believe there is more than one way to read what the Bible says and STILL be a Christian. But is there only one RIGHT way to understand the Bible? Maybe, but people certainly fight over what that one way is and as a result we see all the denominations in the Christian church. We can only study, read, pray, and hope that we are following the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And certainly having someone as a mentor who is well-grounded in Christianity and solid in their spiritual walk with Christ is helpful. And if you CAN find a church that is worshipful, faithful, loving, then that would surely be wonderful.
Joanie D.
kolabok21 on 27 Jan 2008 at 7:37 am #
Not surprised, no not at all. Our culture (here in the US) is dictating our very core of traditional beliefs (Grand traditions of church history). Now what I am not saying is there is not a growth of the church rooted deeply in the past, but rather as we move forward in time, we tend to refine the events (practices of worship) to suit our culture. Let me give an example. In my denomination the suit and tie for the gent’s and ladies dresses below the knees was the norm say (I’ll be modest here) within the last 20 years.
Now practically you can dress in whatever you feel comfortable in. (I think it is a intolerable thing to allow halter tops in the church on Sunday, come on)
But this is just my observation in my neck of the woods. I believe Michael you have made very substantial discovery of “the state of affairs†in our churches across this land. I can not imagine what is going on in the rest of the world. Though I imagine to a great extent, mostly they are state churches, in that you pay a tax or tithe how ever you call it whether you go or not.
But back to a typical church in the US, I think you said it best “the sins of the culture become the sins of the churchâ€
Since my limit is 500 words, I will make several statements based on you trip(s).
1. Would the experiences you encountered be a typical of the ‘Mega Church†phenomena? Let me explain a bit, since the resources of a church are limited by it’s members contribution, does that give the church the means to give “more bang for the buck†and thus tweak the entertainment factor?
2. Since this is a small sample of your experience “geography, economy, people groups, etc. Would it be fair to say it covers the spectrum across he board? The reason I ask is IMO it is a cultural phenomena that is not hastily eclipsing tradition at an alarming rate.
3. From my observations “suburbs to country sideâ€, I see tradition hold its own but fewer people attend. The young people are not coming, you can fill in the blanks, and the older people, well they’re getting older and dying off “with tradition as well†and the little country church goes extinct, the suburbs flourish Tolerance is tolerated,†anything goes†mentality.
A friend of mine pointed out the Devil does not need to be here out commercialism is doing its work.
Bryant
kolabok21 on 27 Jan 2008 at 8:26 am #
number 2 should be now instead of not,
The reason I ask is IMO it is a cultural phenomena that is (”now” instead of not) hastily eclipsing tradition at an alarming rate.
Solitiude comes at a preminum at my house
Jeff Thompson on 27 Jan 2008 at 8:56 am #
A few years ago, a new hire moved into the cubicle next to mine at work. I had no trouble hearing him occassionally talk on the phone to his friends about his search for a church in the area. Knowing he still looking after a few weeks, and after I had gotten to know him a bit, I invited him to my church.
The first, and only, question he asked was “Do you use hymnals?” “Yes”, I replied. He then let me know he was not at all looking for that type of church. It appears that, in his previous city, he was in charge of sound and lighting, and I mean SOUND. He want a place where he could contribute to the ministry by being in charge of those things.
One thing our pastor forbids in our services, and that the school board does not allow in school performances, is the use of pre-recorded background music, something I’ve seen done in other churches, and often done well, but it never had the impact on me that live music does, no matter how ‘clunkers’ there were, or how untrained the voice.
If the music is either so bad, elaborate, contemporary, or designed to show off the technical virtuosity of the musician, such that it detracts from the message, it just should not be done, IMHO. (Of course, this is one thing the denominational Church of Christ doesn’t have to worry about.)
John on 27 Jan 2008 at 9:24 am #
It seems that the cold liturgical church and the “Six Flags over Jesus” church are stable equilibria. A church can follow either model and comfortably stay there. A church somewhere in between may be at an unstable equilibrium, drawn to one end or the other. If you’re trying to be hip, but you’re not very good at it, it’s embarrassing. You either give up trying, or you improve. Being an aspiring Six Flags is even worse than being Six Flags.
Sometimes I want to move to Jan Karon’s fictional town of Mitford and attend Lord’s Chapel with Father Tim.
Frank D on 27 Jan 2008 at 10:09 am #
It is not at all suprising that the impact of post WWII culture has changed even our churches. Post-WWII sounds like a long period of time but in reality it is but a blink in the movement of organized religion from the time of Christ to the early 21st century. As other respondents have stated our popular culture impacts on our expectations from the church. It is inevitable that secular influence will be present in our religious life. Paul wrote extensively about that for anyone interested in studying the Word. That is the crux of the matter, for many if not most of church goers, attending church is still an obligation viewed as a Sunday and perhaps a mid-week activity to be endured rather than part of who we are in Christ. Separation of church and state has larger ramifications than just governance. Many feel that religious activities should bend to our secular wants and norms rather than our secular activities bending to our religious activities and beliefs.
Justice on 27 Jan 2008 at 10:26 am #
Excellent article and summary. Thank you for the great insight. I have thought of doing the same thing but feel guilty knowing I will never return and they are putting out all this effort. I could not agree with your thoughts more on what is important in worship, I love R.C’s book on worship and think he is typically dead-on.
Cynthia on 27 Jan 2008 at 11:28 am #
Interesting read. I came to know Jesus back in 1977,was not raised in a Christian home and grew up in a military family(which meant allot of moving), married a military man (which meant continuing to move) and now have lived in the same community for 12 years. This meant finding a new church every time we moved since I didn’t have the “wisdom” or benefit of “tradition” to guide my search for a good church. My husband did not attend with me as neither of us were believers at marriage. So here I was a woman “on her own” to a large extent looking to follow Jesus and trying to find other believers to fellowship with and to grow in my faith. Nothing about me was correct within many Christian circles.
I attended Pentecostal, Baptist (of varying types), Presbyterian, traditional and non traditional services. I listened for years to discussions like this one posted trying to to be in the “right” service. One that really was “correct” biblically in it’s honoring of the Lord. I still struggle because in all the denominations I have attended over the years I have never been in a church that got it “all right”. I have seen gooey emotion raised as the banner
to Jesus, I have seen incredible stoics point me to doctrine to be the goal of my Christianity.
The Jesus I first met back in 1977 has “grown” up. Do I see the same Jesus today in 2008 that I first met? No. No more than my husband is the man I first met (after 32 years of marriage, and thats another Jesus story) Difference? Jesus has always been who He is but my ability to know more of Him has come with walking with Him and alway pursuing Him even in churches where the leadership may not be “perfectly ” leading. I have had to narrow my walk with Jesus down to looking to Him and knowing there is no other name under heaven that I can be saved . Knowing He perfectly saved me and is even now perfectly working in His church according to His good purposes and plans. It never has been about worshiping “correctly” has it? What I believed honored Jesus in 1977 I wouldn’t do the same today. Isn’t the only thing that makes my worship acceptable to our Holy God the blood of His son, or is it doing it correctly? I am not suggesting anything is OK in worship or church circles I’m saying none of us do it all right….what is the purpose of pointing out others blunders? Is it so I can say “I thank God I’m not like them?” The problem is I am. I was saved by grace through faith and not of my self through worshiping correctly or belonging to the “right” denomination. It is simply Jesus. I currently live in a town with what I would call “dead” churches. This is where the Lord has me and where my husband works. I am serving my Jesus as a wife , grandma, homemaker and I attend church weekly to worship….I just can’t keep searching for the “right” group as if this somehow brings me closer to God. I’m as close as I could ever get because Christ made me His. I hope we are as fervent about praying for the work of Christ as we are in criticizing all the ways “they” do it wrong…The church today has lost it’s foundation “Christ” and most have no concept of “imputation” or other truths. I now believe God truly can work and I don’t have to worry about all the correct ways of following Him as long as it is Him I am after and not looking for the “yellow brick road” to Jesus. Jesus is the road that leads me to Jesus and fruit comes in my life not because I am trying so hard but because as I am in the vine He pours His life into me…..LONG rant…would that be the correct term. sorry but I needed to “voice” my frustration. I will keep pointing my children, grandchildren, neighbors, husband, church people…to Jesus. To His solid truths and have to let go of making sure they are following Jesus correctly..Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith. I have to believe He is capable of reeling us in at His discretion and for our good and His glory…No have not arrived but OH Thank you Jesus you arrived for me…what else could I put my hope in…the men who run the churches? Oh come on guys last I read we don’t shed our sinful ways this side of heaven…back to trusting Jesus……keep spewing our only hope as He has presented Himself in the word…stop making your conscience in worship the litmus teat for everyone else and their sincerity..
JFrances on 27 Jan 2008 at 11:37 am #
This post is a great counter-part to the recently featured post by Dan Wallace concerning the non-liturgy of American churches. As an interested spectator, outside of the Evangelical Protestant community, I wonder if these two issues—non-liturgy and entertainment—are really two symptoms of the same problem (if, indeed, you see it as a problem).
Anecdotally, in my parish alone, in this year alone, we have suprisingly witnessed a great influx of young, vibrant, excited, Biblically saturated Christians who have walked away from their mega-church fellowships in search of something else. . .many not knowing what that something else would even look like.
Arguably, the movement of non-liturgy is, in part, reactionary to what many people say they dislike about the ritual and liturgy traditionally indicative of Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Thus, the (albeit sometimes unconscious) trend away from liturgy leaves an unfilled space within worship. Enter entertainment. If liturgy, in historical and etymological terms, is truly the “work†of the people of God then it would seem obvious that in the absence of traditional liturgy, there is still a strong drive within God’s people to work in some other fashion. Such work is a call on the heart, mind, and body of the Christian which can not be denied. This action (liturgical or entertaining) is a call to justice—giving the Almighty what is rightly His. But, even as grace drives us in justice towards action, the actual result is sometimes misdirected and/or misinterpreted. This is not just a fault of entertainment “worship.â€
The issue, I think, is that Christians must act. Our fallen state and the constancy of Satan’s war on our souls often just misdirects that call into disordered methods—ranging from dry mechanics to experiential driven entertainment. The call to work, to act, to perform for the Lord is an undeniable force of grace for a Eucharistic people.
Onward, Forward, Toward… on 27 Jan 2008 at 12:14 pm #
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…all I could do is reiterate my comment in your last post on Christian Education in the Early Church and the sad state of affairs in the modern day church. What is even worse, is that similar churches as the one you mentioned here will pronounce they are “teaching God’s Word†and throw out other popular catch phrases that allude to scriptural integrity. But unfortunately, fall short of that mark unbeknownst to many biblically illiterate followers.
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Some of these churches will go beyond that statement, they will be brash enough to claim that they are teaching ‘the new thing’ or ‘the latest revelation’.
The other shame of this is that when you ask churches about Christian Education concerning the core foundational essential doctrines and Early Church History, you are referred to the ‘weeknight small group’ program. A church I once attended did this and I went to numerous ‘weeknight small groups’ and all I saw was:
(1): ‘Theo-politicians’ telling us who to vote for, our ‘official Christian worldview’ of some Senate bill, photocopies of canned letters to sign and fax our congressmen, the ‘DEMONcrats’ are out to destroy the church, etc.
(2): The ‘our leader’s been attacked by the enemy’ and the session turns into ‘pray for the leader’ and no one else’s needs are addressed.
(3): The leader teaches on some ’sin issue’, admits that he has this ‘issue’, uses the group member’s confidence as his ‘psychiatric therapy / confirmation’, but follows with ’since I have this issue, you have this same issue also, ‘fess up…..repent….”
(4): The ‘bookstudy’ of the latest Christian bestseller complete with workbooks and very little Bible verses.
(5): Boardmembers of local Christian ministries who use the small group members as a ‘freebie labor’ pool to do tasks too expensive (not free) when quotes were procured, ‘tasks done secretly in the middle of the night’ to avoid paying to get proper permits, hiring licensed proessionals to perform and paying additional fees for the building / electrical / plumbing / mechanical inspectors or ‘too dangerous to the point of needing extra liability insurance / bonding’ mixed with Bible verses to teach “missions”, “service”, and “humility”.
Christian education of the essentials and Early Church is to the point of near extinction.
Alyssa on 27 Jan 2008 at 2:10 pm #
Thank you so much for your post. I love and hate thinking about why we (the church) are here and what we’re supposed to do. Sometimes I get vaguely annoyed that Jesus said nothing about entertainment and amplifiers and how to navigate discipleship and outreach and traditions and relevance.
I agree with a previous poster that there will never be a “perfect church” but at the same time I think that looking at the state of the larger church will help us influence it. And I would like to know what direction to influence it, because after 15 years involved in church planting I haven’t got a clue. And I’m scared.
As my dad leaves ministry (having been pretty much chewed up and spit out), I am left wondering what we’re even doing here, and whether it’s changing anything or anyone. It’s a tough pill to swallow, but an important prerequisite for change of any kind of substance.
Lisa R on 27 Jan 2008 at 4:16 pm #
Cynthia, I think you struck at the core at what the fuss is about. And that is how are we honoring Christ through our local assemblies. It’s not so much the right or wrong, but is what we as a church are doing in context of what scripture reveals we should be doing. As one comment above indicates, there is no procedural manual outlined in the bible. We don’t have the “how to” but we do have the “what to”, meaning what is the church and its purpose. The problem is that many are not sure of the “what to” because of the focus on entertainment disguised as “reaching out”. And this has been the failure of pastors and leaders, I believe this post is addressing, to adequately equip the church in effective discipleship and understanding what it is supposed to be about. And the result of this is that many are more concerned (and knowledgeable) about feeling good about themselves than picking up their cross daily and following Christ because there is insufficient understanding of the rudiments of faith due to the lack of doctrinal teaching.
Ruth Tucker on 27 Jan 2008 at 7:41 pm #
I found the post very interesting and it made me wonder why God didn’t elect me to be an Anglican. I was raised in low church fundamentalism and that’s where I’m most comfortable. (It’s the “high church” fundamentalists like the Surn Babdists who bash us ladies!) I’m not comfortable with those Anglicans but I sure do envy ‘em.
Ron on 27 Jan 2008 at 8:37 pm #
From a rather long essay I wrote regarding my 4 year experience in a seeker sensitive, entertainment driven church. It eerily mirrors the aforementioned church—URL for the entire essay at the bottom of the post in case anyone is interested:
There is great potential for unintentional compromise in making church attractive and entertaining, with the best of evangelical intentions, to those outside the church. Please note with absolute certainty that I am not inferring that it is incorrect to bring unregenerate friends and acquaintances to church. What I am stating is that it is wrong, that it is absolutely not biblical, to calibrate church to accommodate the ‘unchurched’.
In contrast to the proceeding statement, the contemporary seeker-sensitive church/movement, by definition, is concerned with meeting felt needs of the ‘unchurched’. It inverts, with the best of intentions, clear biblical mandates of being set apart from the world. Also, when pragmatism and marketing trumps sound doctrine, we find ourselves redefining the nature of the church and often times inadvertently redefining and diminishing the Person of Christ. From the prevalence of life coaching sermons, we find a Christ who exists to repair our relationships, He repairs our finances. We develop a tepid Christology where, much like the old soft drink commercial, things just seem to go better with Christ. The seeker sensitive church becomes seeker centered.
http://ronclick.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/an-ecclesiastical-journey/
Brutally Honest on 27 Jan 2008 at 9:48 pm #
The ideal church
The ideal church would likely be different, obviously, for you than it might be for me, nevertheless, C. Michael Patton references one I’d like to visit:First, I went to an evangelical high Anglican church. I was wanting to see something
Lisa R on 27 Jan 2008 at 9:56 pm #
Ron, excellent post! If you hadn’t mentioned the large size, I would be convinced that you had gone to the same church I left 2 years ago that I served in faithfully for 5 years, for very much the same reasons you cited. Everything you described was exactly how my former pastor envisioned “growing” his church. The tell-tale sign…there was more an emphasis on SCC (or other church name) than on Christ. And the response of the associate pastor that because you were questioning scriptural incompatibility, you were not in alignment with what God is doing very much resonates with me. There were regular proclamations that if I were to leave, I would never fulfill the will of God for my life. HA!
Unfortunately, this is a vicious cycle. People are not fed and therefore do not understand the role and purpose of the church but instead fuel the entertainment machine.
connie @ Practicing Theology on 27 Jan 2008 at 11:15 pm #
What timing! I/we have designed a “Survey of Denominations” course (we home school) for our oldest daughter and began our church visits this Sat. night–a charismatic/word of faith church. Next week we plan to visit an Anglican church–we plan to include at least a dozen different denominations.
Bradley on 27 Jan 2008 at 11:59 pm #
Great post Michael.
You wouldn’t mind me printing this off and reading it at our next Bible Training Class would you?
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Wolf Paul on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:35 am #
Michael,
what makes you identify the second church you visited as “Evangelical”?? It seems to me nothing of the sort, if “evangel” still has any meaning.
It seems not much different from that circus down Houston-way which I will not honor with the name of “church”.
At the same time I know that there are serious, biblically based, truly Evangelical churches in your part of the country, so I won’t give up hope for the church yet.
Dying Church on 28 Jan 2008 at 8:46 am #
The Entertainment Driven Church
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Lisa R on 28 Jan 2008 at 9:40 am #
Michael, perhaps a positive spin on this would me to highlight some churches that are doing a decent job in effective discipleship. I recall coming across a web-site of a church in Columbus, OH that I thought had a pretty serious christian education program. I imagine there are other good role models.
Cynthia on 28 Jan 2008 at 10:09 am #
No argument, the church as a whole is in trouble…I think it always has been. Isn’t that the point? Did Jesus come because of our need for a Saviour or did He come so we could “screen” everyone else. We are everyone else! OK I don’t buy into the entertainment mode of getting people into church. What is it I don’t buy into?
Just last night I listened as one of my sons was furious over his younger brothers foolishness and the impact it has on him. As I listened he spewed all his brothers offenses. ALL legitimate. What continues to strike me is he really believes confronting his brother and no longer letting the brother get away with it all is the way to deal with the situation. I asked him “Where is Jesus in this? Do you realize apart from Christ it is merely a battle between two young men, a flesh battle?”
I hear and see all these excellent points many have shared but I still believe we are trying to attack a legitimate problem with flesh on flesh. With “wisdom” but it is going to take Jesus and the intervention of His spirit to make me see “except for the grace of God there go I” I praise God I yearn for deeper truths but this was not always the case…and it was not because I was smarter than another. I believe it is because God is at work in my life and apart from Him i would drift away from Him and not toward. On any given day I drift but am held firmly by His love. Liturgical, charismatic, traditional? I think it is our sin nature to use any style of worship to try and commend ourselves to God instead of exposing empty hands desperate for Jesus.
On a much higher note, I’m off to the hospital to sit with my daughter as she labors to bring my sixth grandchild into the world. Another sinner comes into the world. I hope the Lord raises men who will be there to point this new little one to Jesus and trust Jesus can complete the work He began (even with all the WRONG Ways of His followers which goes well beyond styles of worship)
JohnT3 on 28 Jan 2008 at 11:02 am #
Michael,
I go to a church that is very similar to the one you described above. It is all focused on the seeker and the visitor and the needs of the individual are to be met by small “Life Groups”. The concept of corporate life do not really exist. We have a worship service for those who like rock music, one just for people who speak Spanish and one for contemporary worship. The mission of the church is to reach 100,000 people for Christ in the city the church is because that is the expected growth for hte city in the next 5 or so years.
There is a concerted effort to have discipleship and teaching be done by the life groups (where the leaders are encouraged to be moderators more than teachers keep the discussion on track) which are geographically spread around town. There is no corporate unity we are more the several local bodies that meet in a convention center.
While there is a large group of people who have been there since the church staterd but for the most part an almost equal number of people rotate in and out all the time.
The senior pastor has taken a pick and choose appraoch to “Emergent Church” philosophy. Except with the discussion type approach to the sermon (But I think that may be comming soon because he had a sermon just recently where he had the people in the sanctuary text message questions about the subject of his sermon).
A sad and inevitable result of the entertaining church is that there will be many believers who desire to be fed and will not get it. There will be no one body corporate excercise. The church will become the “luke warm” church mentioned in Revelatrion that the lord will spew out of His mouth.
Before I go on a rant I will end here for now.
Lee Boswell on 28 Jan 2008 at 11:10 am #
Michael,
Thanks for the “review”. Not long ago my family and I also visited churches in search on one to join and had the opportunity to attend one that fits the same mold as the one you described.
3 things stood out to us in the service that made us feel very sad for the members. First, everything was choreographed. From the entrance onto the stage, to the altar call at the end, multimedia guided each piece and none of it allowed for the Spirit to guide the worship service. I whispered to my wife at one point asking her is they sold T-shirts in the lobby - it was if I was at a concert.
Second, the message came from the book of Nehemiah and centered around how the Israelites consecrated themselves before dedicating their work to the Lord. This church was dedicating a new children’s building that day. Much was made at how we should be sure to consecrate ourselves to the Lord at this time of dedication. Not a bad message, but what bothered me was that the first time my family and I prayed that day was when we went to lunch after church. The entire morning was spent dedicating this building to the Lord’s work and preparing ourselves before Him and they never once prayed. I believe they were so concerned at making people feel comfortable and not making it seem “like church” that in the end they didn’t just leave out the “churchiness” but the worship.
Finally, the altar call at the end was very entertaining with a full cast on stage “worship dancing” during the invitation. But the invitation was not to accept the Gospel, at least the Gospel I know. The pastor simply said, if you want a life like this, referring to the excitement they apparently were having, come down and join them. Granted I did not go down to find out what they would have counseled me about and I can only hope at that point that the message of salvation would have been explained, but it was spoken no where in the service.
I know that my experience was not unique to many around my area and evidently not unique to today’s church.
My concern though is what do I do about it besides sharing the tale to others and lifting them up in prayer. The church needs help…
John on 28 Jan 2008 at 11:12 am #
I find this all very interesting. Those of you that seem to have grown up in church all of your life, have gone to seminary and bible school, and feel that so much theology/history/high church/seriousness is so important and vital . . . that’s all well and good. But to joe average secular guy out there that’s experienced none of that, let alone church at all, that all means zero - nothing. Nada. I know - I was one of them. And yes, the “entertainment driven church” in the example, while meaning well, is rather sad in some areas. However I do know of fabulous mega-churches, some with very well known names, that ARE getting it right these days. It’s not fair to loop them all together under one broad category. What peeves me in all this - Jesus did not lean one way or the other if you ask me. Jesus hung out with the sinners, the sick, the poor, the orphans, the widows, and told us to do much the same. Until we find ourselves in the bars, nightclubs, brothels, red light districts, orphanages, with widows, with the sick, with the poor, we cannot possibly talk about what is “right or wrong” church - because what Jesus showed us by example IS the church plain and simple. Love God, love others, and transform culture to do the same. It’s doesn’t get any plainer than that. Bottom line, we have to relate to and BE IN our culture to even think of changing it or having any effect. Does either church in this example do that?
JohnT3 on 28 Jan 2008 at 11:51 am #
John,
Yes we are to relate to the culture and society around us but we are commanded, let me repeat that COMMANDED to build up the church from within and to care for our brothers and sisters in Christ. The church that usese entertainment or focuses on making sure that those who come to chruch feel at home usually do so at the expense of those who are already members of the body of Christ.
What good would it do us if we seek to minister to the community if they see that we don’t care for our fellow believers. In fact the bible tells us that our love for each other is meant to make those who aren’t Christian look at us and wish they had that.
Outreach to the community yes, you can not have pure religion without it. However, you can not have proper outreach if the body is not taken care of first.
You can not use our command to reach the world as an excuse to forget our primary duty to each other and the building up of the body of Christ.
John on 28 Jan 2008 at 1:11 pm #
JohnT3
Agreed - 100%. But we must also not “do church” for the believers to the extent that there is nothing that the average un-believer can understand, relate to, comprehend, understand. As with anything, there must always be a balance.
I personally think, having attended and serve at one of the largest mega-churches for 15 years, the approach of a mid-week or other worship service for the core believers of the church - one that goes in depth to a much higher degree - again, for core believers and as well, new Christians/seekers wanting to take the next step, is the way to go. I believe one of the biggest mistakes ever was trying to call the weekend seeker outreach event “Church” and/or “Worship” which it really never was in the truest sense of church or worship. That sets up the issue for tried and true traditional believers of whether or not this is truly “church” or not thus creating a war over it. When in reality, the weekend services I was a part of then, as opposed to the midweek worship/church services, and the services I am now a part of at my smaller church now, were NOTHING like “church/worship” and NEVER MEANT TO BE. It was all about outreach to the unchurched/turned off to church/seeker. Should have just been called an “Outreach Event.” But always with the HIGH emphasis of taking the next step in your journey and walk through discipleship, small group. and midweek worship/in depth bible teaching/church. The idea was always that the core body sacrificed their weekend “most opportune/traditional” time to go to “church” in order to have a great evangelism tool on the weekends. Of course, the method for that today has changed greatly in the past few years, and I know the church I was once a part of has taken a much more holistic view of the weekends in trying to reach both camps. Anyway, again, as in anything, it’s all about balance.
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From The Balcony on 28 Jan 2008 at 4:08 pm #
Michael
The description of this church is exactly why we left a church just like this. Their motto is: 4 services - ONE incredible experience! I was a member of that illustrious worship team - and yes, we were awesome. Production smoke, lights, sound, camera - action.
Yet, when we would try to facilitate small groups, most of the people only wanted social gatherings. Occasionally a young believer would join our group and be fascinated that we were teaching out of the Bible. One day, one of the said to me, “Why don’t they teach us this in church.” This is why I’m writing what I spoke to you about.
I’ve done as you did - visited various denominations and non-denominational churches to get a pulse on the church. What I have discovered has saddened me. The “entertainment” church we left didn’t start out that way, but gradually, in an effort to draw huge numbers, they became huge and flashy - and NO content in the sermon. By the time we finally left, there was NO mention of the Bible in any sermon. They were simply self-help sermons. If there might be, by chance, any scripture reference, it was not taught in context but was used to make a point the church wanted to make. The children AND adults were not discipled. You know, Willow Creek didn’t need to spend 3 million dollars to discover that the seeker church didn’t work. I could have told them that for free.
So - we are in a more traditional church now. Yes, I miss playing music at that level, but being fed from the word and fellowshipping with those who truly want to serve God has more than replaced my desire to “play in the band.”
Please pray for the church. People are leaving the church and those that are staying are often being misled with a perverted gospel. This is a great opportunity for those churches who still preach the gospel to open their doors to those who will leave entertainment churches, because after awhile, they wont’ see the point in continuing when they aren’t learning anything new. If the older and more traditional churches who retain the message of the gospel will open their doors to them, I believe there could be a revival in the church. But whatever happens, I pray they won’t judge those who were stuck in an entertainment church. They went there in good faith - that they would be taught and would spiritually grow. It just didn’t turn out that way. Welcome them with open arms and hearts. It is necessary.
Kathy
Truth Unites... and Divides on 28 Jan 2008 at 5:53 pm #
Ron writes: “There is great potential for unintentional compromise in making church attractive and entertaining, with the best of evangelical intentions, to those outside the church. Please note with absolute certainty that I am not inferring that it is incorrect to bring unregenerate friends and acquaintances to church. What I am stating is that it is wrong, that it is absolutely not biblical, to calibrate church to accommodate the ‘unchurched’.”
I agree. But making the Entertainment-Driven Church the latest punching bag is actually just one particular symptom of a larger, more insidious dis-ease. Let me go a bit further in my analysis of CMP’s post. It harkens back to making a false idol out of a well-intentioned concept that’s often praised on this blog: Being Irenic
[Definition of Irenic: "favoring, conducive to, or operating toward peace, moderation, or conciliation."]
Let me ask for the sake of discussion whether the felt drive to being irenic in a hostile culture played a role in the creation of an Entertainment-Driven Church. In other words, by creating an Entertainment Event-Service, the pastoral staff moderated the Gospel and made a conciliatory gesture towards the unchurched by purposely being entertainingly irenic in the presentation of the Gospel and in the environment of the Church.
And it’s not just the Entertainment-Driven Church that does this. I would also point out Evolution and Egalitarianism and the Postmodern Emergent Churches are other severely compromised doctrinal areas that have adversely affected the Evangelical Church in a weak-minded attempt to be IRENIC towards a hostile, alien unchurched culture.
o Church is boring! OK. Let’s be irenic and make it entertaining.
o Science says Macro-Evolution is true (even a fact!). OK. Let’s be irenic and say that God created primordial goo to make Adam, Eve, and you.
o Equal-Rights Feminism says Women can and should do whatever Men do. OK. Let’s be irenic and have women lead churches and lead households.
o Postmodernism says we really can’t know anything with certainty, and to be suspicious of power games and manipulation. OK. Let’s be irenic and declare that the Bible is errant, and we really can’t know with sufficient certainty what many historic Christian doctrines declare.
So while everyone is pounding away at the Entertainment-Driven Church (which fully deserves critiquing), let’s also closely examine the desire to be men-pleasers by being “Irenic”. Being too “irenic” also carries within it a poisonous seed.
Jugulum on 28 Jan 2008 at 8:35 pm #
A prayer:
As we seek the godly goal of graciously presenting the truth in love, may the truth we speak not be lost amidst the qualifications and as-you-please’s and they-have-a-point-there’s. May our discerning criticism of destructive trends not suffer in our effort to be irenic such that we fail to deal strongly with those trends, for the health of the flock.
And in our zeal to speak the truth and deal with destructive error, may we never bring dishonor to the name of Christ by speaking in an un-Christ-like manner. May we speak with true clarity, never throwing out the baby with the bathwater by speaking too broadly or failing to discuss the good, valid points hiding amongst error.
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Jay Foreman on 29 Jan 2008 at 5:58 pm #
Hi Michael;
Great post!!
There is a good book well worth reading…. “Jim & Casper go to church” by Jim Henderson (Ex. Pastor) and Matt Casper (reporter/Devout Athiest)
Together they go on a “road trip” to 11 different churches across America and write reviews from both perspectives. Especially relevant if you are a church wondering what works and what doesn’t for those “kicking the tires” and checking out God.
Our church where I’m the Director of Home Groups (Life Groups) http://jayforeman.blogspot.com is a Non-Denominational church reaching out to the lost, the hurting, the “de-churched”… the hell bounders who don’t know or have a relationship with God thru Jesus. http://southbrookchurch.com/
We do alot of the above (we use Dunken Doughnuts coffee)
BUT… Pastor Rob, http://www.robsingleton.net/ uses many versus from the Bible each week AND mentions Jesus many times during the service. Deep??? Yes, he teaches a very deep life message. We usually conclude with an opportunity for Committing your life to Christ. Last year 2007 we saw over 1100 new believers/ 400 were baptized and many joining Home Groups to learn and grow in His Word.
We also use Wednesday nights to “Teach and grow the mind.”
So……… sometimes this all comes together…. not at all the churches though….
BTW…. I think the Dunken Doughnuts coffee has a better “conversion rate” than Starbucks
From The Balcony on 29 Jan 2008 at 7:31 pm #
Jay - I guess that depends if the coffee is Arminian or Calvinist….
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Seriously though, even those who are hurt or “de-churched” still want a strong message from the Bible taught to them. They wouldn’t have walked in the door in the first place if they weren’t seeking answers and desiring to learn.
Eventually, “life lesson” and “self-help” messages run thin. It takes the meat of the word to hold them there. It takes the desire to teach truth.
The turnover in these kinds of churches is I think….3 years? At the church I was at it was more like 18 mo - 2 years. The messages were full of dazzle but no meat. I believe people desire the substance. Get them in the door - no problem with that - but TEACH them. And not on Wednesday night. Do you know how many won’t come back on Wednesdays? Many. Teaching should be at the main service, IMO.
Jay Foreman on 29 Jan 2008 at 8:18 pm #
I agree with you about Wed. nite NOT being the main teaching time. AND weekend messages MUST be meat filled teaching! We have found that to be critical. Yes, the hurting ARE looking for answers, but not religion. We do this thru 3-4 week series teaching. Matter of fact, this weekend we start “Friends with Benefits” and we’re gonna take a lot of heat on this one …it’s about tackling the tough issues and the supposed taboos of society relationships rather than the ones hiding with our eyes closed, hoping things will return to the good ole days (whatever those were). read more about it here… http://www.robsingleton.net/2008/01/22/friends-with-benefits/
deeeeep. A lot of people coming in from un-Godly relationships.
BTW… I never see you hiding up in the balcony…you are always in the battle. Thanks bro.
Jay
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Vance on 29 Jan 2008 at 10:51 pm #
Michael, great article. My husband, Vance, had me read it. He is very fond of you and what you have to say. I have to say that I have been pondering this whole concept of “getting people in the door” for a while now. If you would have asked me a year ago, I would have said “great”, but lately I have been struggling with what will happen to people once they come to a point in their Christian walk when their roots will need to be deeper. The “entertainment” of being a Christian will have no effect. If one cannot go to the Word and know, really know, what the Lord has done for them and who He is to them, then their situation will falter. I have been reading “Sparkling Gems from the Greek” by Rick Renner that has greatly given me insight and more importantly knowledge about the Word of God. Michael, keep writing great articles! I look forward to Vance having me read more.
Marilyn
C Michael Patton on 29 Jan 2008 at 11:24 pm #
Vance’s wife,
Great to hear from you! Vance is a great guy. I am glad that you enjoyed the article. It was funny. Someone wrote me a personal email and named the name of this church! I could not believe it, but they said I described it perfectly.
I am like you. I have changed with regards to this, but I am trying not to swing too far in the other direction. Formality can produce a dead orthodoxy.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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kwk on 30 Jan 2008 at 12:34 pm #
With regards to “being irenic”, I think Truth Unites… has a very valid point. There is certainly a place for “meeting people where they are” rather than making them conform to some standard before letting them in the door. But once they are in the door, then sooner or later they must be confronted with (horror of horrors!) their sinfulness, in general and probably in specific. Paul addressed an analogous topic in his letter to the church in Corinth:
Is there any occasion, ever, in the “Entertaining” churches, where the secrets of the sinners’ hearts are laid bare, and they fall down and worship God? If not, then what would such a church do when confronted with Paul’s teaching?
Similar themes are echoed in Craig Parton’s The Defense Never Rests. Half of this book is standard apologetics, while the other half details the “church-shopping” that Parton and his family did, and what criteria they used in finally deciding on a church home. I highly recommend it.
From The Balcony on 30 Jan 2008 at 1:14 pm #
Michael (and Jay)
I’ve been rereading this post all morning. I just can’t seem to shake that every word you spoke, Michael, is what I experienced for 4 years. Your words are true and accurately express the state of the evangelical church.
I’ll never forget arriving at band practice before one particular service and looking on stage - seeing the huge house that had been constructed (in one weeks time) on stage. The set was amazing! Then my head dipped low as I realized how much money had been wasted on props.
I wondered how many Compassion children could have been sponsored for that large amount of wasted funds. Jam 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their misfortune and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Can you fathom the wealth of those biblical words - stand them next to the entertainment driven church - and not be offended? Is God offended? SHouldn’t our churches try to be unstained by the world?
As the pastor enthusiastically stepped through the door, with the theme song from Desperate Housewives playing under his entrance, I finally disengaged myself from that church. It was enough to make me fall off the 6 foot platform I was standing on with my keyboard.
It was too much - it was over the top. And it was not honoring to the kingdom of God…..even if the intentions were good. Oh yeah - the title of the sermon series? Desperate Households. And we had a “24″ series (with all the appropriate music…..the list is endless)
Jay - I know that not all churches end up this way - and yours may not be this way now. But neither was this one when we first started attending. In the beginning there was some meat - not a lot, but enough. SLowly, the desire to be bigger and better, more flashy, to follow the latest, greatest trend, etc - eroded the foundation. Jesus is not the foundation of that church anymore - but it was in the beginning. So while some churches haven’t hit that crossroads yet, without care and purpose, it is almost inevitable that they will.
And BTW - it’s sis…..! (Girls can play in the band, too….:) )
Truth Unites... and Divides on 30 Jan 2008 at 7:49 pm #
With regards to “being irenicâ€, I think Truth Unites… has a very valid point.
Thanks kwk. I appreciate that.
But once they are in the door, then sooner or later they must be confronted with (horror of horrors!) their sinfulness, in general and probably in specific.
Preaching a balance between Law and Grace is not often found in churches. And knowing the Law is the best way that I know of in lovingly confronting a pre-believer about their sinfulness, and their resultant need for His Grace, Mercy, and Love.
God is Love. And God is Holy. Too.
Eric W on 31 Jan 2008 at 1:14 pm #
OT:
Many of Renner’s comments about the Greek are questionable, as any person who has taken a couple years of NT Greek and uses BDAG to study Renner’s claims about “word meanings” can verify. D. A. Carson’s EXEGETICAL FALLACIES will clue you in to some of the types of errors Renner makes.
Anyone can check this out. If you don’t have the book, go to http://www.renner.org, subscribe (free) to his “Daily Sparkling Gems,” and after you’ve received a few dozen of them, take them to a NT Greek Prof at a seminary and ask his or her opinion. If you have the book, you can do the same with the book. If said Prof thinks I’m all wet, I’ll be glad to have things “explained to me more accurately” and/or to modify my comments/criticisms/opinions.
Some problems I’ve found in reading his books and/or “Gems”:
* Picks from the possible definitions of words based on the point he’s trying to make, rather than on what the author meant in the context in which he used it.
* Gives word meanings that can’t be found in the standard or even popular NT lexicons and word dictionaries (BDAG, Thayer, Moulton-Milligan, Louw-Nida, Vine’s, Abbott-Smith, NIDNTT - I didn’t check LSJ at the time, though. Someone suggested to me that he may be using Wuest at times.).
* Takes the entire semantic range and definitional possibilities of a word and applies them to the occurrence he’s explaining. Carson labels this “unwarranted adoption of an expanded semantic field” (or “illegitimate totality transfer”).
* Derives unwarranted or false interpretations.
* Imposes the later meaning of an English word derived from Greek onto the original Greek text (including the “dunamis/dynamite” fallacy in at least one of his books).
* Gives definitions that may be exaggerations and misstatements by sometimes arguing for too great distinctions between verbs and their compound forms (e.g., agonizomai vs. epagonizomai).
* Gives incorrect explanations of Greek grammar and syntax.
* Uses the Greek to impose his own meaning onto a text, or to create “proof texts.”
* Makes statements that are, or are likely, just plain wrong, some of which are along the lines of the aforementioned types of errors. E.g., he commits what Carson calls “the root fallacy” - i.e., supposing that every word actually has a meaning bound up with its shape or its components.
* Makes statements that are non sequiters (i.e., the conclusion does not follow from the evidence).
Jason J on 31 Jan 2008 at 11:19 pm #
Quick thoughts:
Irenic– Peacfull–Perfect for students and classrooms
Apologetic– Defend the faith with conviction and intensity from attacks from the outside– Christianity has done well here in recent years.
Polemic– War like, “in house”– Not enough of this in the US. It seems as if we are avoiding taking on all the garbage that is cropping up in the church in the name of peace.
When it comes to HANDLING ACCURATELY THE WORD OF TRUTH there should be “Zero-Tolerance”. By this I mean that there are standards among scholars for things like exegetics and hermeneutics. When these standards are not kept and those pastors are not held accountable, the church becomes a breeding ground for False Teachers. A BIG smile or a “Six-Flags over Jesus” chruch should never, ever, trump truth.
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Jamie on 11 Feb 2008 at 11:19 am #
I agree that a lot of the newer non-denominational churches are very shallow. They often don’t concentrate on doctrinal issues or on proper training. I think it’s a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
They are rejecting the cold impersonal worship styles of the high church in an attempt to recapture the excitement and joy of being a Christian and knowing that you are a child of God. Which is a good thing. After all we should be happy to be adopted into God’s family. It’s the best thing that could have ever happened to us. Furthermore, we should also enjoy worshiping God. And a concentration on evangelism and reaching out to the community is a biblical command.
The problem is that in concentrating on evangelism and on the joy of being a Christian, they have ignored the reverence for God and the doctrines that are what our entire belief is based on. So your right, when the hard times come, many of the new Christians and people raised in these churches are going to fall away.
Gary Held on 13 Feb 2008 at 10:41 pm #
See if this video doesn’t resonate on some level with the uncertainty and dissatisfaction you’re describing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDPPj1jsFQ
Blessings.
Kevin Seager on 18 Mar 2008 at 10:32 am #
1. The Bible has now become what croutons are to a tossed salad…not the main ingredient in local church ministry, merely an addition for “extra flavor”.
2. This entertainment dominated feature is not limited to just mega - “ministries”. Smaller congregations are jumping on the bandwagon in a desperate effort to survive.
3. What has happened to Biblical discernment ?
We’re a nation of Vacuum Cleaner Christians who suck everything into the mind without question.
Where are the Evangelicals who possess the ability to evaluate sermons, books, movements, and ministry philosophies against the Word of God ?
Where are those with “understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do…” (1 Chronicles 12:32)
4. Evangelicals were warned. Fifty years ago at least:
“…Without Biblical authority, or any other right under the sun, carnal religious leaders have introduced a host of attractions that serve no purpose except to provide entertainment for the retarded saints…
It is now a common practice in most evangelical churches to offer the people, especially the young people, a maximum of entertainment and a minimum of serious instruction.
It is scarcely possible in most places to get anyone to attend a meeting where the only attraction is God…”
- A.W. Tozer (probably written during the 1950’s)
5. Where will Evangelicalism be in ten years ?
Can the patient’s massive internal hemorrhaging be stopped in time ?