What happened to the twelve apostles?

I have spent much time researching the deaths of the Apostles, looking at both primary and secondary historical resources. There are many legends concerning their deaths which makes the historical evidence hard to interpret since many times the accounts conflict with one another. Most early Christians wanted their home to be crowned with the stature of having been the final resting place of one of the twelve. It is probably for this reason that there were embellishments forged.Â
It is hard to sift through the wheat and the chaff. Some are credible and some are not. The basic thing we need to know is that the martyrdom of some of the Apostles is more certain than others. Historians will have different degrees of certainty concerning the circumstances of their deaths. For instance, unbiased historians will not take issue with the martyrdom of Peter, Paul, and James the Apostle because of strong historical evidence. Many of the other accounts have decent historic validity as well. Some accounts, however, raise the eyebrow and cause the honest historian to remain agnostic. However, if all the accounts are true and boiled down to their least common denominator, it is very feasible and likely that all but one of the Apostles suffered and died a martyr’s death, even if we can’t be sure of the exact details.
Amidst some uncertainty, one thing is clear the basis of their martyrdom was the same in all accounts. They died because they proclaimed to have seen Christ die and then to have seen Him alive. They all died because of an unwavering, unrelenting claim that Christ rose from the grave. In my mind and for my faith, the gruesome death of the Apostles as recorded below was one of the greatest gifts that God gave to the Church. It contributes a lot to the personal apologetic “how do you know?†question (more on that in a moment). I have recorded the fruit of my studies on their deaths here in this blog/article. I have attempted to take the best rendition of all the sources and share the most likely scenario for each. At the risk of spoiling some of the “legends,” I have given each account a grade of probability from A (highest probability) to D (lowest probability).
Read through the accounts of their deaths. Think of this as your devotional for the day. This may sound odd, but in a very real sense, I thank God for bringing about their deaths, for in their deaths they sealed their testimony in blood making our faith in the risen Christ built upon a solid foundation.
Early primary sources are Jerome, Eusebius, Irenaeus, Clemens, Polycarp, Hippolytus, Dionysius, and Josephus.
(1) The Apostle James
James, the Apostle of the Lord, was the second recorded martyr after Christ’s death (Stephen was the first). His death is recorded in Acts 12:2 where it is told that Herod Agrippa killed him with a sword. Clemens Alexandrinus and Eusebius (Ecclesiastical History II.2) both tell how the executioner witnessed the courage and un-recanting spirit of James and was then convinced of Christ resurrection and was executed along with James.Â
Date of Martyrdom: 44-45 A.D. Â
Probability rating:Â A for the death of James, C for the death of the executioner
(2) The Apostle Peter
Although, just before the crucifixion, Peter denied three times that he even knew Christ, after the resurrection he did not do so again. Peter, just as Jesus told him in John 21:18-19, was crucified by Roman executioners because he could not deny his master again. According to Eusebius, he thought himself unworthy to be crucified as his Master, and, therefore, he asked to be crucified “head downward.â€
Date of Martyrdom: ca. 64 A.D.
Probability rating: A
(3) The Apostle Andrew
Andrew, who introduced his brother Peter to Christ, went to join Peter with Christ in eternity six years after Peter’s death. After preaching Christ’s resurrection to the Scythians and Thracians, he too was crucified for his faith. As Hippolytus tells us, Andrew was hanged on an olive tree at Patrae, a town in Achaia.
Date of Martyrdom: 70 A.D.
Probability rating: B
(4) The Apostle Thomas
Thomas is known as “doubting Thomas†because of his reluctance to believe the other Apostles’ witness of the resurrection. After they told him that Christ was alive, he stated “Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe†(John 20:25). After this, Christ did appear to him, and Thomas believed unto death. Thomas sealed his testimony as he was thrust through with pine spears, tormented with red-hot plates, and burned alive.
Date of Martyrdom: 70 A.D.Â
Probability rating: B concerning his martyrdom, D concerning the exact method of execution.
(5) The Apostle PhilipÂ
Philip was corrected by Christ when he asked Christ to “show us the Father, then this will be enough for us” (John 14:8). Christ responded, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father ‘?” (John 14:9). Philip later saw the glory of Christ after the resurrection and undoubtedly reflected with amazement on Christ’s response to his request. Philip evangelized in Phrygia where hostile Jews had him tortured and then crucified.Â
Date of Martyrdom: 54 A.D.
Probability rating:Â CÂ Â Â
(6) The Apostle Matthew
Matthew, the tax collector, so desperately wanted the Jews to accept Christ. He wrote The Gospel According to Matthew about ten years before his death. Because of this, one can see, contained within his Gospel, the faith for which he spilled his blood. Matthew surely remembered his resurrected Savior’s words, “Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world†(Matt. 28:20), when he professed the resurrected Christ unto his death by beheading at Nad-Davar.
Date of Martyrdom: 60-70 A.D.
Probability rating:Â B
(7) The Apostle Nathanael (Bartholomew)
Nathanael, whose name means “gift of God,†was truly given as a gift to the Church through his martyrdom. Nathanael was the first to profess, early in Christ’s ministry, that Christ was the Son of God (John 1:49). He later paid for this profession through a hideous death. Unwilling to recant of his proclamation of a risen Christ, he was flayed and then crucified.   Â
Date of Martyrdom: 70 A.D.
Probability rating:Â CÂ Â Â
(8) The Apostle James the Lesser
James was appointed to be the head of the Jerusalem church for many years after Christ’s death. In this, he undoubtedly came in contact with many hostile Jews (the same ones who killed Christ and stated “His [Christ’s] blood be on us and our children†(Matt. 27:25). In order to make James deny Christ’s resurrection, these men positioned him at the top of the Temple for all to see and hear. James, unwilling to deny what he knew to be true, was cast down from the Temple and finally beaten to death with a fuller’s club to the head.
Date of Martyrdom: 63 A.D.
Probability rating:Â B that he was cast down from the temple, D that he was being beaten to death with fuller’s club after the fall
(9) The Apostle Simon the Zealot
Simon was a Jewish zealot who strived to set his people free from Roman oppression. After he saw with his own eyes that Christ had been resurrected, he became a zealot of the Gospel. Historians tell of the many different places that Simon proclaimed the good news of Christ’s resurrection: Egypt, Cyrene, Africa, Mauritania, Britain, Lybia, and Persia. His rest finally came when he verified his testimony and went to be with Christ, being crucified by a governor in Syria.
Date of Martyrdom: 74 A.D.
Probability rating:Â B
(10) The Apostle Judas Thaddeus
Judas questioned the Lord: “Judas said to him (not Iscariot), Lord, how is it that you will show yourself to us, and not unto the world?†(John 14:22). After he witnessed Christ’s resurrection, Judas then knew the answer to his question. After preaching the risen Christ to those in Mesopotamia in the midst of pagan priests, Judas was beaten to death with sticks, sealing his testimony in blood.Â
Date of Martyrdom: 72 A.D.
Probability rating:Â C
(11) The Apostle Matthias
Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot (the betrayer of Christ who hanged himself) as the twelfth Apostle of Christ (Acts 1:26). It is believed by most that Matthias was one of the seventy that Christ sent out during his earthly ministry (Luke 10:1). This qualifies him to be an apostle. Matthias, of which the least is known, is said by Eusebius to have preached in Ethiopia. He was later stoned while hanging upon a cross.
Date of Martyrdom: 70 A.D.
Probability rating:Â D
(12) The Apostle John
John is the only one of the twelve Apostles to have died a natural death. Although he did not die a martyr’s death, he did live a martyr’s life. He was exiled to the Island of Patmos under the Emperor Domitian for his proclamation of the risen Christ. It was there that he wrote the last book in the Bible, Revelation. Some traditions state that he was thrown into boiling oil “before the Latin Gate,†where he was not killed but undoubtedly scarred for the rest of his life.
Date of Martyrdom: 95 A.D.
Probability rating: A that he was not martyred, C that he was thrown into boiling oil    Â
(13) The Apostle PaulÂ
Paul, himself a persecutor of the Christian faith (Galatians 1:13), was brought to repentance on his way to Damascus by an appearance of the risen Christ. Ironically, Paul was heading for Damascus to arrest those who held to Christ’s resurrection. Paul was the greatest skeptic there was until he saw the truth of the resurrection. He then devoted his life to the proclamation of the living Christ. Writing to the Corinthians, defending his ministry, Paul tells of his sufferings for the name of Christ: “In labors more abundant, in beatings above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths often. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once was I stoned, three times I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeys often, in storms on the water, in danger of robbers, in danger by mine own countrymen, in danger by the heathen, in danger in the city, in danger in the wilderness, in the sea, among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness (2 Cor. 11:23‑27). Finally, Paul met his death at the hands of the Roman Emperor Nero when he was beheaded in Rome.
Date of Martyrdom: ca. 67 A.D.
Probability rating:Â AÂ Â Â
An Afterthought:
I believe that the deaths of the Apostles increase the certainty level of the historicity of the resurrection to a level that is beyond excuse for disbelief. People do not die for lies, half-truths, fabrications, or hear-say information. If the Apostles truly died proclaiming to have seen Christ dead then alive and ascend into heaven, Christ is who He said He was, God incarnate who came to take away the sins of the world. Â Â
An Objection:Â
However, some might object to my reasoning. You may object to my reasoning. The question that gives rise to the objection is this: “Don’t many people die for something they believe? Does this mean that if you die for something, it is true?†To be sure, many people have died for something that they believed and this does not make it true. The 9-11 bombers believed something and died for that belief, but their deaths do no give credence to the validity of their beliefs in any way. There is a big difference in dying for something that you believe having received the basis for that belief from someone else and dying for something that you believe because you witnessed the events that establish the belief.
From a historical stand point, the difference is as great as day and night. The distinction is in the substance and verification of what each believed. The suicide bombers and others who die for their faith are dying for something that they believe because the have heard it from someone else. This adds no valid verification to what they believe from an standpoint of evidence or reason. It would be like me dying for my faith in Christ’s resurrection. All that this would prove is that I truly did believe that Christ rose from the grave, but it would not verify in any way that He actually did rise from the grave. Why? Because I did not see it. I was not a first hand witness.
Now if I died a martyr’s death saying that I saw Christ die and rise from the grave with my own eyes that would be a different story. Why? Because it would not verify a belief handed down from someone else, but a belief in something that I witnessed firsthand. At this point, you have only three options for explaining the Apostles’ belief: 1) Say that they died for a lie knowing that it was a lie, 2) that they were delusional or crazy, or 3) that was the truth, Christ did rise from the grave.
To say that they died knowing it was a lie places a great burden of proof upon the proponent of this view and completely lacks in any historical credibility. It would take a much greater leap of faith to believe this than to believe that they were telling the truth and Christ actually rose. To opt for number two and say that they were crazy suffers from the same fate as the first. There is no way to substantiate this. There is absolutely no historical evidence in favor of this supposed insanity for even a single Apostle, much less all of them. The only option is the last - that Christ did raise from the grave and He is who he said he was. All others are blind leaps into the dark. The motives for these blind leaps are many I am sure, but let me mention a couple of the most likely.Â
People who deny this evidence are sometimes motivated by an anti-supernatural bias. This bias starts with the assumption that Christ did not rise from the grave because it is impossible for people to rise from the grave. But this argument is completely unsustainable since it begs the question. It may be true that people don’t normally rise from the grave, but simply because you do not have personal empirical evidence of its possibility does not make it impossible objectively.  I do however understand this bias. I think that it is foolish to uncritically and characteristically accept stories of happenings that fall outside of our God-given means of empirically acquiring information. But belief in the resurrection of Christ, as I have been arguing, is not in any way an uncritical belief (at least it does not have to be). The evidence compels us to adjust our bias at this point.
Another motive that people have for rejecting the evidence is less intellectual and more emotional. Many people have an emotional bias against the very idea of God. This emotional bias, practically speaking, comes to us from a variety of avenues. For some, it is their upbringing. They have a commitment to that which they were taught. We all want mom and dad to be right and we will do everything in our power to cheer for their beliefs. Why? Because they become our beliefs and we have a lot invested in them. For many, if Christ rose from the grave, then they, their family, their religion, and all their friends are wrong. This is sometimes too much to handle emotionally. For others, the emotional objection comes from a jilted experience. They have called upon God to save them from sickness. They have looked for His mercy in their family. They have prayed for their basic needs and He, in their estimation, has not answered. Therefore, they are apathetic to the evidence of the resurrection, being guided by their emotional experiences and longings. Both of these emotional objections to the resurrection are understandable.
I know that emotion unbridled is a much more powerful source for belief than the cold facts of the intellectual realm. But, at the same time, while the objections are understandable, they are not admissible or sustainable. We cannot let emotions rule our belief system. We must be ready to look past our experience and our traditions so that we can see the truth. Once we do, then the truth can take the hand of our emotions and train them properly.(boy, this is going much longer and more technical than I had planned when I started writing four hours ago! Oh well…let me cut to it) In sum concerning the initial objection, the 9-11 suicide bombers may have sincerely believed their religion, but their conviction carries no inherent verification. All we know is that they were sincere in their belief. The disciples, on the other hand, died for something that they claimed to have witnessed firsthand. This carries no “hearsay†as they say in law, but firsthand testimony. It is a completely different story.
Therefore, the objection, while understandable at first glance, really must be dismissed as an irrelevant and false comparison. Here are your three options concerning the Apostles:Â
- You would have to conclude that they died for a lie and knew it (unsustainable do to lack of any motive).
- They were all delusional and crazy (but this would take more faith than any option since you would have to explain how they all had the same delusion and craziness, many being at different places and different times).
- What they said was true. Christ did rise from the grave and is who He said He was. Â
To conclude, I want you to listen to the words of Ignasius, a second century church Father who’s beliefs were sustained by the reasoning of my current argument concerning the Apostles’ deaths.Â
“Mindful of him, do ye by all means know that Jesus the Lord was truly born of Mary, being made of a woman; and was as truly crucified. For, says he, “God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of the Lord Jesus.â€ï»¿11 And He really suffered, and died, and rose again. For says [Paul], “If Christ should become passible, and should be the first to rise again from the dead.â€ï»¿12 And again, “In that He died, He died unto sin once: but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.â€ï»¿13 Otherwise, what advantage would there be in [becoming subject to] bonds, if Christ has not died? what advantage in patience? what advantage in [enduring] stripes? And why such facts as the following: Peter was crucified; Paul and James were slain with the sword; John was banished to Patmos; Stephen was stoned to death by the Jews who killed the Lord? But, [in truth,] none of these sufferings were in vain; for the Lord was really crucified by the ungodly.” (Ignasius: The Epistle of Ignatius to the Tarsians, III)
The evidence is there. Do you believe? . . .
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Joanie D on 10 Sep 2007 at 7:48 am #
This is great, Michael! Thank you for all your work and study and for sharing it with us. Maybe this should be put in some kind of “brochure” mode and shared with the whole world somehow. But hey, putting it out here on the internet IS sharing it with the whole world, isn’t it. We just need to get the whole world to come here and read it.
(Thomas’ death sounds particularly brutal IF, in fact, it occurred that way.)
Joanie D.
NCApologist on 10 Sep 2007 at 9:06 am #
You are 100% correct; the martyrdom of the disciples/apostles is by far one of the greatest apologetics for the Resurrection of Jesus. As stated above, no one dies for what they know to be a lie. Comparing their deaths to those of the attacks on 9/11 is foolish.
Ravi Zacharias has mentioned before that there is a memorial in his home town in India that honors the Apostle Thomas.
What is your opinion on Fox’s Book of Martyr’s ?
Vance on 10 Sep 2007 at 9:24 am #
At each point reading through this article, I was saying “exactly, and don’t forget . . .” and there it would be in the next paragraph!
I think you are right that the primary objection is based on the worldview that the supernatural does not happen. Absent that presupposition, the evidence from purely historical terms would be overwhelming. Even absent the best evidence for some of these deaths, we do have sufficient evidence from credible sources for enough of these deaths to get there.
As someone with historical training, it really irks me when the NT documents themselves are not given their historical due. Rather than being treated with the same degree of objectivity and analysis as other first century texts, they are shoved out of the arena of historical analysis because of their “bias”. Yet, these same historians can take other documents written by people with significant biases and, by applying proper standards and filters, glean much historical data that, when compared with other sources, adds to the collective knowledge base. But some refuse to do this for the NT texts. I cry foul!
Rant over.
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Nick N. on 10 Sep 2007 at 3:46 pm #
. . . rant continued:
Some scholars seem to think that the more skeptical they are, the more critical they are. But adopting an excessive and unwarranted stance is no more critical than gullibly accepting whatever comes along. In my view, a lot of what passes for critical is not critical at all; it is nothing more than skepticism masking itself as scholarship. [Craig A. Evans. Fabricating Jesus: How Modern Scholars Distort the Gospels, (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), 46.]
But on a positive note:
“Today, scholars are more open to talking about the miracles of Jesus because they rightly recognize that the task of the historian is to describe what people reported and recorded. It isn’t the historian’s task to engage in science and metaphysics. In other words, it is enough that historians acknowledge that Jesus’ contemporaries observed what they believed were miracles; historians should not try to explain exactly what Jesus did or how he did it.” [Ibid. 139]
Enterprise24 on 10 Sep 2007 at 4:13 pm #
Nice quotes, Nick
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Joe Cameron on 12 Sep 2007 at 1:00 pm #
I read a statement made by a trial lawyer that the eye witness testimony given by the apostles makes the crucfixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ the two best attested facts in human history. Further, the writer asserted that the recorded eye witness testimony is unassailable, and would stand up in any court of law.
JPC
C Michael Patton on 12 Sep 2007 at 1:09 pm #
Joe, you are right. I am not trial lawyer, but it make sense to me. How could you deny the strength of their testimony?
Sir Simon Greenleaf made a similar argument in his The Testimony of the Four Evangelists. He basically wrote the book on Harvard law from what I understand.
Vance on 12 Sep 2007 at 5:14 pm #
I am an attorney and I would love to have that evidence going into court. Of course, the 500 eyewitnesses would be nice to have as a back up!
Joe Cameron on 13 Sep 2007 at 2:33 pm #
In light of His Resurrection and the several appearances of The Lord shortly thereafter,I believe that it is an incontrovertible fact that the early church expected a soon return of The Lord Jesus, and soon in the sense that man reckons time.
Further, John quotes Jesus in Rev.22:20 “Yes, I am coming soon”.
BUT, Peter reminds his readers(2Peter3:8) : But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Therefore in God’s scheme of reckoning time, approximately only 1.974 days have elapsed since The Resurrection.
I’m certain that not all believers agree with me on this issue, but if you don’t, I would like to read your refutation of it.
C Michael Patton on 13 Sep 2007 at 2:54 pm #
Joe, good comments, but that would take us in a different direction!
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Jason on 02 Oct 2007 at 10:57 pm #
Joe, I would agree that the first Christians believed Jesus’ return was imminent. They spread their message with that constraint in mind.
However Jesus himself acknowledged that no-one, not even himself, knew the day or the hour; the Father alone knowing that day.
Consequently, as Witherington puts it, they had to engage in the language of imminence. That is, they couldn’t say for certain that it would be soon, but they had to plan as if it could be.
paulj on 22 Jan 2008 at 12:19 am #
When did this practice (tradition?) of pointing to the martyrdom of the 12 disciples as proof of the resurrection develop? When I was kid browsing through Haley’s Bible Handbook, I got the distinct impression that things like Peter’s manner of death were part of ‘tradition’. Tradition was rather suspect, clearly not on the par with Scripture. Do Protestants now accept traditions that support their apologetic arguments, while still rejecting those that support Catholic and Orthodox practices?
If you look up various of the individuals on a source like Wiki, you’ll see that the traditions are not nearly so cut-and-dried as this summary implies. For example was James the Lesser really head of Jerusalem Church? The position is more often associated with James the Just who may/may not be James the brother of Jesus.
paulj
Ranger on 23 Jan 2008 at 4:26 am #
Hey Paul,
You bring up a good point, many of the stories relating to how the apostles were martyred can be questioned as simply being tradition. For instance, was Thomas really run through with a spear? One story says so, but does that one story have strong historical credibility? That’s left for debate. But the variants within the traditions do not contradict that he was in fact martyred, they simply question the means by which he was martyred. Even in poor, unacademic sources like Wikipedia or any generic encyclopedia is the fact of their martyrdom assumed. There is just too much credible historical evidence to deny the martyrdoms themselves.
Since there is very strong historical evidence that most of the apostles (even those who saw Christ but were not among the twelve) were martyred, we can have a more solid assurance of the resurrection. Sometimes the various traditions differ in regards to the methods of their martyrdom, but they are all very clear that they were martyred for their faith.
It is the fact that they were martyred that gives witness to the validity of the resurrection since people don’t die for historical lies. People may be willing to die for a cause, or for a belief about something that might happen post-death, but they will not die for a historical fallacy, when they in fact lived and experienced the opposite of what they are dying for.
For instance, nobody who lived in New York City on September 11th, 2001 will be willing to die in order to prove that it didn’t really happen. But, if the government were to attempt to cover up the history of 9-11 and claim that it never happened, someone may be willing to die so that people will believe that it did in fact happen. The person dying is willing to die because he saw and experienced what happened on that horrific day and does not want it to be covered up.
Since the martyrdom of the apostles is assumed historical fact by both academia and non-academic sources (such as Wikipedia mentioned in your post), even if the details of the means of the martyrdom vary, we can assume that the apostles truly believed that they had seen the risen Christ. They believed it so concretely that they were willing to die for that belief. In my opinion, and even in the opinion of many non-believers, that does not prove the resurrection, but gives it a much firmer grounding.
paulj on 26 Jan 2008 at 6:00 pm #
I question the strength of even the basic historical evidence of martyrdom of most of these individuals (regardless of circumstances). Seems there is plenty of room in the accounts for elaboration and confusion, as well as copies. After all if Rome can claim Peter, Constantinople can claim Andrew.
I already mentioned that this list confuses ‘James the Lesser’ with James the Just, ‘the Lord’s brother’. While there is a Josephus reference to such a person, the fullest account comes from Eusebius quoting Hegesippus. You know all about Hegesippus, don’t you? He was a second century historian - who’s works are lost, except for quotes by Eusebius.
Let me quote the start of Hegesippus account:
“… there were many James, but this one was holy from his birth; he drank no wine or intoxicating liquor and ate no animal food; no razor came near his head; he did not smear himself with oil, and took no baths. He alone was permitted to enter the Holy Place, for his garments were not of wool but of linen. He used to enter the Sanctuary alone, and was often found on his knees beseeching forgiveness for the people, so that his knees grew hard like a camel’s from his continually bending them …” [The History of the Church, 23]
It goes on talk about James being placed on the high point of the temple to tell everyone the truth about ‘the door of Jesus’. When he gives a reply that echos Stephen, he is pushed to the ground and eventually clubbed to death.
Does this sound a historical account by someone who knew something about first century Judaism? Would a blood relative of Jesus been allowed to pray in the inner part of the temple, even if he had ‘house maid’s knees’? Or did someone conflate accounts of John the Baptist, his father, and Stephen with some vague story about a observant Jew named James?
paulj
Ranger on 27 Jan 2008 at 6:19 am #
Before I begin, let me correct one thing. You say in reference to Hegesippus, “He was a second century historian - who’s works are lost, except for quotes by Eusebius.†This is actually incorrect. We do have a few fragments of Hegesippus, although I believe we only have fragments containing three or four lines of his work. If you are interested in Hegesippus, earlychristianwritings.com has a short article on the fragments.
As for the content of the response, your initial question had to do with when Protestants starting pointing to the martyrdom of the apostles as an apologetic of the resurrection and then proceeded to a secondary question concerning the validity of the martyrdom stories. As such, my response dealt with the first question, arguing that the embellishments of the martyrdom stories don’t minimize the apologetic as long as the apostles were in fact martyred for their faith.
For fears of this discussion leading to the creation of a strawman, let’s separate the three primary questions in our discussions so that they do not overlap and cause confusion.
1. Were the apostles in fact martyred?
2. Are the martyrdoms of the apostles an apologetic for the resurrection of Jesus?
3. Are the traditions of their martyrdoms embellished or misleading?
I think the discussion here has adequately answered the second question. If the apostles were in fact martyred for their faith, it serves as an apologetic for Christianity. Those who do not follow Christianity admit that this is an apologetic that must be properly responded to due to its gravity, if in fact the early followers of Jesus were martyred.
As far as the other two questions, the discussion seems to be tying the topic of whether or not they were actually martyred with whether or not the stories are embellishments. Whereas there are some overlapping areas between these two topics, the embellishment of the story does not mean that the “meat†of the story is incorrect.
Let’s take the stories of James as an example. James, the brother of Jesus, was martyred according to Josephus (Antiquities 20.9). Scholars agree that this story is authentic Josephus, and that James was martyred. Now whether or not this is the same James as the one referenced by Hegesippus and later mentioned in Eusebius, or the James of Acts 12:2 is irrelevant to the apologetic. According to the Jewish historian Josephus (who would have no interest in helping a Christian apologetic) James, the brother of Jesus, was martyred, and that’s what matters to the apologetic. Whether or not this James is the apostle James, who may or may not be James the Less, or whether Dr. Patton was confused in his listing, does not weaken the apologetic that those who were intimate followers of Jesus were willing to die for their beliefs that he was the Christ. Now, the second story might be complete made up and a mix of traditions between Zechariah, John the Baptist and Stephen, but that doesn’t mean that James, the brother of Jesus, wasn’t martyred, it just means that later generations took liberties with the story and in their “martyr worship†turned the martyrs into superheroes.
I think you and I are in agreement that we shouldn’t base our apologetic on these early myths and stories that are often confusing to say the least (and by picking James to discuss, you picked by far the most confusing of the lot). Yet, I do believe that when we demythologize the stories, that in the “meat†of these stories we see that most of the apostles and many, many early followers of Jesus (including those who claimed to have seen him resurrected), were willing to die for the belief that he truly rose from the dead. That’s what the apologetic is built on, and a different matter altogether from the question as to the complete historicity of these accounts.
Jason on 24 Feb 2008 at 4:01 pm #
Hello
Thank you for this blog. I have been searching for something like this. I know that we ’should always be ready to give an answer’ to those who ask, but for me I just need to settle the doubts and questions in my own mind. I need to walk my own walk and be confident in what I believe before I go around trying to convince / convert anyone else. This blog has gone a long way to help me accept in my mind what my heart has known all along.
God bless you.
Regards
JMan