Dear Pope, I am Confused About the Early Chapters of Genesis

The primary reason that Catholics believe God provided the church in an infallible authority is for unity. Christ prayed in the upper room that His people would be one (John 17:21-22). This unification would most certainly involve some degree of doctrinal solidarity. For the Catholic, the Magisterial authority made up of the Pope and the congregation of bishops serve to keep the peace and unity. In each contemporary situation, if there are issues of doctrine or morals that are causing division, the Magisterium steps in and makes clear and binding statements of truth concerning the issue. Whether it is the issue of birth control or the reality of Hell, the Magisterium will draw from tradition and Scripture and reveal the truth. Tradition, Scripture, and the Magisterium; these are the three legs of the Catholic stool that give stability.
From the standpoint of the Catholic, the Magisterium holds the sole right to interpret the deposit of faith and hold the keys of authority, both given by Christ to the Apostles. The Apostles in turn handed this deposit and authority to others forming an unbroken chain of apostolic secession. The Pope resides as the supreme authority as his secession is traced back to Peter, to whom were given the keys to the kingdom of heaven (Matt. 16:19).
Since the Magisterium, headed by the Pope, has been handed this deposit of faith and authority, they alone can interpret Scripture with fidelity. In other words, if there is an issue about the interpretation of Scripture, private interpretation is not an option. While Catholics can read Scripture, they are not allowed to interpret it.
Contemporary issues that cause division within the church are many. People are divided over inerrancy, Open Theism, women in ministry, gay marriage, and many others. While these are significant and divisive, without question the issue that has caused more division in the church over the last century, Catholic or Protestant, is the issue of evolution. The recent opening of the Creation Museum has caused the fires to heat up once again.
While this is a scientific issue, it is also interpretive. How do we understand the early chapters of Genesis? Did God create the earth in six literal days or did He use an evolutionary process taking billions of years? How are we to interpret the word “day” in Genesis 1? Are there gaps in the genealogies? Did the snake really talk? Were Adam and Eve real people or symbolic representations of mankind in general? Those who take a more conservative approach say that the stakes cannot be higher. Some will say that if you allow for evolution, you have denied the inspiration of Scripture. Others will go so far as to say that if you don’t believe in a young earth, you have denied the reality of sin. The other side battles to protect their scientific and biblical integrity by offering alternative interpretations to the creation narrative. Whether it be the day-age theory, gaps in genealogies, or some sort of accommodating language hermeneutic, from their standpoint there are ways for them to interpret Genesis in a way that harmonizes with current scientific trends.
Either way, this issue is as divisive as any issue in the history of the church. The lines have been drawn. The questions is, can Rome come in and fulfill its primary purpose? Can the Magisterium draw from the deposit of faith and interpret the Scripture so that this matter is settled, bringing unity to this religious anarchy among those who claim Christ?
In 1996 Pope John Paul II did step in. This is what he had to say:
“Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [Humani Generis], new knowledge has led to the recognition in the theory of evolution of more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory†(Message to the Pontifical Academy of the Sciences [Oct. 22, 1996] 4.†(emphasis mine)
“More than a hypothesis?” Is that it? Is that supposed to bring unity to the Church? With all the authority of his seat, with keys in hand, and shod with the authoritative hermeneutic of peace, the Pope clears the air by saying that evolution is “more than a hypothesis.” I want my money back!
OK, enough tongue in cheek. Here are the options as I see it:
1. The Pope does not know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis. He does not know what “day” means. He does not know if there are gaps in the genealogy. He does not know if the narrative is literal or figurative. He does not know if the snake talked.
But if this is the case doesn’t his authority to interpret the Scripture become irrelevant since he and the rest of the Magisterium don’t know the answer to the most divisive theological issue of the last century?
2. The Pope does know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis, he just does not think it is important enough to dogmatically speak upon.
But if this is the case, what is important enough to speak upon? The assumption of Mary? The immaculate conception of Mary? Eating meat on Friday?
3. The Pope is on a need to know basis only, and this is something He does not need to know.
But I don’t even think the Pope is allowed to watch Top Gun.
4. The Pope does not know; he only knows issues that are essential to the Christian faith. How one interprets the Genesis narrative is not essential.
But isn’t unity the issue? Isn’t unity essential? This issue is causing disunity in doctrine. If the Pope cannot solve this, what good is the claim that the Magisterium steps in and answers contemporary theological issues to bring about unity?
5. The Pope does not know; this is an issue of science, not faith.
This is simply not true. While I would agree that this is a non-essential issue that should not cause division to the degree that it is, the point is that it is causing massive division. The issue can be solved among Christians if we knew how to interpret the Scriptures. The Pope would simply need to tell us if the word “day” in Genesis 1 is figurative or literal. If he did, it would solve a lot of problems. Further, if he would tell us if Adam and Eve are literal figures or figurative, we would solve even more. In short, there are many interpretive decisions that people are making and these decisions are causing division.
6. The Pope does not know; the emperor has no clothes.
This supposed deposit of faith and authority do not apply to the really hard issues that can be tested since this could expose the Pope as fallible. Rome does not want another Galileo incident where the Catholic Church gets a black-eye and then has to bend backward to cover it up.
7. There is something that I am missing and you need to fill me in. ![]()
In all seriousness, I am sure that Catholics have thought through this and have an answer to attach to #7. I have yet to find this answer. Maybe one of you Protestants or Catholics who know more than I can help me out here.
Does the Pope know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis?
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Vance on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:21 pm #
My thought is that your are (purposefully) begging the question about unity being essential. Absent the need for absolute unity, then all of the options break down and it goes back to being a minor issue. Assuming you are being tongue in cheek on that point, then I would agree with you.
C Michael Patton on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:29 pm #
Yes, from your perspective and mine, this point of disunity, while out of control, is not necessarily a bad thing. Sadly, while you and I don’t have the means to control the amount of disunity issues surrounding the interpretation of the early chapters of Genesis, I suppose the Catholic church does.
If I was infallible and could solve the issue infallibly by an authoritative declaration, I would have done so a long time ago.
I am serious about why the Pope does not/cannot/will not solve this problem considering the efficiency of his office to do so.
Do you know why or have any theories? Is it just me, or is this a good question? Am I missing something?
Saint and Sinner on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:38 pm #
JPII: “It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers…”
This, of course, comes from his Thomistic view of Original Sin: man’s moral compass may be fallen, but his intellect is not. Contrast this with Scripture’s doctrine that both have become darkened (Romans 1:21, 1 Corinthians 1:22-24, etc.).
“The questions is, can Rome come in and fulfill its primary purpose? Can the Magisterium draw from the deposit of faith and interpret the Scripture so that this matter is settled”
Actually, I believe that it was Raymond Brown who said that Rome has never actually *dogmatically* defined ANY verse or passage of Scripture (and yes, that would include Matthew 16:18-19).
Saint and Sinner on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:42 pm #
“I am serious about why the Pope does not/cannot/will not solve this problem considering the efficiency of his office to do so.”
The Popes of the past few decades have purposefully worded their statements ambiguously enough so as to please both sides of any debate.
Sean on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:49 pm #
Really, I think the only times papal infallibility has been invoked have been with regard to the Marian dogmas. It’s quite a recent innovation. I don’t think most informed Roman Catholics would claim that the Pope has a direct line to God to settle any issue whenever he wants. That of course is what raises the other questions you bring up.
Also, I would question how divisive the modern creation issue has been. It’s certainly not been “as divisive as any issue in the history of the church.” In my estimation, it doesn’t come anywhere near the magnitude of the Reformation or the Arian controversy. Outside of the U.S., it’s not such a big deal at all.
C Michael Patton on 10 Aug 2007 at 11:05 pm #
Sean, I agree. I overstated the general divisiveness if we are including Polemics and Apologetics. But the Arian controversy was not necessarily an in-house debate. The issue of evolution/creation/science is within the church. Being such, it has caused as much division among Christians as any that I have seen.
Concerning statements of papal infallibility, there is no consensus among Catholics with regard to the number of dogmatic uses that the Pope has made.
As well, it is not so much a direct access to God that the Pope claims, but the authority to interpret Scripture and Tradition in such a way that is final. The Pope alone or together with the bishops can make these authoritative pronouncements. The purpose is to create unity in doctrine and practice.
I am just curious as to why none have been made concerning such a divisive issue. I am also baffled by the obscurity of JP 2’s statement that “evolution is more than a hypothesis.”
Again, if Rome alone can interpret Scripture, why can’t they in this case?
C Michael Patton on 10 Aug 2007 at 11:08 pm #
Saint:
“The Popes of the past few decades have purposefully worded their statements ambiguously enough so as to please both sides of any debate.”
It would seem to be a wise move, especially if you did not know. In this case, if the Pope does not know the answer to these interpretive issues, doesn’t this make a major aspect of his office overstated at best and irrelevant at worst?
Felicity on 11 Aug 2007 at 4:09 am #
Philippians 1
15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
Felicity on 11 Aug 2007 at 4:18 am #
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth. Christ said he came for division, though He prayed for unity. All the Pope’s power is only to do the Will of God. He can not conjure up answers—he only clarifies that which has already been revealed to mankind.
The Church has taught on Creation—if you are sincere in your interest, check the Catechism of the Catholic Church for your answer. It’s in Part 1, Section 2, Paragraph 4.
Felicity on 11 Aug 2007 at 4:21 am #
About the Creation of Man and Man’s subsequent Fall are in the same section, Paragraphs 6-7.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM
JoanieD on 11 Aug 2007 at 6:13 am #
Felicity, I am looking at http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P19.HTM and I still don’t see the answers to Michael’s questions. My opinion is that the Catholic Church would teach that the world was NOT created in 6 days, but I can’t point to where I get that. I just know I have heard “educated” priests speak in a way that would indicate that. But we all know that priests, nuns, church leaders do not always go by the “party line.” Some get in trouble if they are public enough about it but if they are more subtle, “Rome” doesn’t bother about it, I guess.
I also think the Catholic Church could say that Adam and Eve COULD have been actual people and the snake COULD have talked, but that it didn’t HAVE to be that way for God to bring about his plan for the world.
Joanie D.
Sean on 11 Aug 2007 at 7:36 am #
Felicity, I’m sorry, but as a Catholic-friendly Protestant I have to say this. The Holy Spirit is the Vicar of Christ on earth, not the Bishop of Rome, regardless of what he claims. It is the very section of the Bible where Jesus prays so intensely for unity, John 14-17, that He repeatedly speaks of the other Comforter or Advocate that He will send after He departs (14:16-17, etc.) That Comforter is the Vicar or the one “in place of” Christ. To elevate a man to that position is wrong. (And no, you can’t get there from Matt. 16:16-19.) I’m sorry if I offend, but this is going too far.
The blessed Trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not Father, Son, and Holy Mother Church (or Holy Mother Mary, for that matter). Nor is the Trinity Father, Son, and Holy Bible, which is the fundamentalist’s error. We all profess to worship “one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity.” The Persons’ perichoresis or coinherence is so perfect that no man or book can take one Person’s place, only the other Persons. We need to stop trying to find substitutes for the Substitute whom Jesus promised.
Felicity on 11 Aug 2007 at 8:44 am #
Joanie,
The reason you don’t see the answer to “some” of Michael’s questions in the link I gave is because his assumptions assuming the role of the Church and the Pope specifically are fallacious—i.e. the strawman fallacy. Perhaps he does this out of genuine ignorance on the issue, or perhaps he does it to parody others’ faith, I do not know. However, the answers to the questions concerning the Catholic view on Creation and its relationship to science as well as the real and true existence of our First Parents is there.
Sean,
Vicar of Christ is a historical title of the Papacy. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15403b.htm Your assertion the “no you can’t get there from†the Bible is simply your assertion and since I believe that Jesus left his flock with a human shepherd protected himself by the Divine Shepherd (the Advocate—The Holy Spirit), I believe that indeed the Pope can rightly be called the Vicar of Christ by virtue of the charism of his office. By calling the Pope by this title, there is no attempt at usurpation of the power of God. The Pope also goes by the title The Servant of Servants.
In general, there are many assumptions concerning the beliefs and practices of Catholics that are the result of either incomplete understanding of what Catholics actually believe or are the result of overt hostility that is not generally about the actual teaching, but rather the result of some bad experience with human representatives of the faith. With that, I can only offer what I know in Christian charity to correct misrepresentations of my faith and pray.
Sean on 11 Aug 2007 at 9:26 am #
Felicity (truly in charity),
I know the history of the title. A common tactic in Catholic apologetics is the assertion, “You don’t know what we really teach & believe.” That is not always a safe assumption to make.
You can take the perspective that “Our interpretation is correct, not the protestant’s, because we have held this belief longer, and it is the belief of the Church’s magesterium, not just a single believer’s opinion.” And that is not an indefensible position.
Another perspective (not, of course, the only other alternative), taken from history, experience, and Scripture, is that all people are sinful, and some are power hungry, even within the community of faith. Hierarchy, titles, honors, distinctions, are all means that people can use to acquire and maintain power and keep it from others.
The post-apostolic development of a monarchical episcopacy, so seemingly alien to the record of Jesus’ teaching we have before us, could be interpreted as the plan of God, the leading of the Holy Spirit, and essential to the church’s indefectibility. Or it could be interpreted as a power grab by people who too quickly forgot his teaching and allowed their first love to grow cold. The problem is, whether it is the first or the second interpretation that is correct, the Catholic church is going to give the same answer regardless: “This text means this” because it is true, or “This text means this” because this interpretation establishes our place and power and helps us to keep it. Matt. 16 is forced to carry an awfully mighty burden.
I’m willing to consider, and have considered, the possibility of the first perspective being true. Are you willing to consider the second?
C Michael Patton on 11 Aug 2007 at 11:44 am #
Felicity (and others who may be able to answer),
Please know that my question is very sincere. If I have set up a straw man, it is very unintentional. I am most certainly willing to change my view on this to whatever represents the Catholic teaching even if I disagree. It does no one any good to build caricatures of others beliefs. In fact, it hampers learning as the belief of others if often correct.
However, the link you provided did not address the specific issues that are causing the division in the church, both Catholic and Protestant.
My confusion comes when, according to my understanding, the Catholic Church teaches that lay people cannot interpret the Scripture because they may misinterpret it thus causing division. It is also my understanding that the primary role of the Magisterium is to keep unity in faith and practice. Further, as I see it, the Church can come together for an ordinary Magisterium (papal bulls, papal encyclicals, etc) or an extraordinary Magisterium (ecumenical councils) and exercise their infallibility, drawing from Scripture and Tradition, protected by the Holy Spirit, to make authoritative pronouncements concerning issue of faith and morals. While these pronouncements are nothing new, they serve the church concerning contemporary issues, clarifying points of confusions, disagreement, and controversy so that unity can be maintained.
Would I be correct in assuming this:
#7. The Magisterium does not know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis. This is not an issue that is spoken of clearly either in Scripture or Tradition. Therefore, while division in doctrine is the outcome, the Catholic Church must stress that this is not an issue that should cause division. It is a mystery. The Pope’s statement that evolution is “more than a hypothesis” is not an authoritative infallible pronouncement, but personal opinion (therefore it may be wrong).
Does that work?
The Boar’s Head Tavern » on 11 Aug 2007 at 1:52 pm #
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JoanieD on 12 Aug 2007 at 6:19 am #
And speaking of Genesis…do we really believe that woman was literally created from a rib from Adam?
“Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman, ‘
for she was taken out of man.” (NIV)
(I always run things through what I call the “straight face” test. I say: “Can I tell someone that this is what I really believe happened?”)
Even if I don’t believe that everything in the Bible happened in a literal way, I still love the stories and I still think that there are spiritual truths in some stories that may not be literally true. But the big, important Christian teachings about Jesus are ones that I agree with, literally and spiritually.
Joanie D.
JoanieD on 12 Aug 2007 at 6:22 am #
And Michael, I really would like to see a clearly outlined teaching from the Catholic Church as to how Christians are “expected” to understand Genesis. Yet, if they did that, they would likely be criticized for telling people how to think!
You know what they say…you are d—-d if you do and d—-d if you don’t.
Joanie D.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 7:54 am #
Michael,
Honestly, I truly cannot grasp how anyone can make the claim that the Catholic Church discourages private interpretation of its adherents in the face of such well known theologians as Thomas Aquinas, Jerome, Augustine of Hippo, and many more…Though these men were priests, they were not roped by Vatican chains and turned into automatons spewing (as has been indelicately described here) the “party line. Others were women, St. Teresa of Ãvila, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Thérèse of Lisieux, Edith Stein, etc…and still others are simply laypersons, G.K. Chesterton, Dietrich von Hildebrand and his wife Alice von Hildebrand, and so one right down to people like me who read and study and talk about what we come to know through the words of the Scriptures.
In fact—the RIGHT of Catholic lay people to privately pursue deeper knowledge of God has been Dogmatically defined:
DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
LUMEN GENTIUM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html
12. The holy people of God shares also in Christ’s prophetic office; it spreads abroad a living witness to Him, especially by means of a life of faith and charity and by offering to God a sacrifice of praise, the tribute of lips which give praise to His name.(110) The entire body of the faithful, anointed as they are by the Holy One,(111) cannot err in matters of belief. They manifest this special property by means of the whole peoples’ supernatural discernment in matters of faith when “from the Bishops down to the last of the lay faithful” (8*) they show universal agreement in matters of faith and morals. That discernment in matters of faith is aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth. It is exercised under the guidance of the sacred teaching authority, in faithful and respectful obedience to which the people of God accepts that which is not just the word of men but truly the word of God.(112) Through it, the people of God adheres unwaveringly to the faith given once and for all to the saints,(113) penetrates it more deeply with right thinking, and applies it more fully in its life.
It is not only through the sacraments and the ministries of the Church that the Holy Spirit sanctifies and leads the people of God and enriches it with virtues, but, “allotting his gifts to everyone according as He wills,(114) He distributes special graces among the faithful of every rank. By these gifts He makes them fit and ready to undertake the various tasks and offices which contribute toward the renewal and building up of the Church, according to the words of the Apostle: “The manifestation of the Spirit is given to everyone for profit”.(115) These charisms, whether they be the more outstanding or the more simple and widely diffused, are to be received with thanksgiving and consolation for they are perfectly suited to and useful for the needs of the Church. Extraordinary gifts are not to be sought after, nor are the fruits of apostolic labor to be presumptuously expected from their use; but judgment as to their genuinity and proper use belongs to those who are appointed leaders in the Church, to whose special competence it belongs, not indeed to extinguish the Spirit, but to test all things and hold fast to that which is good.(116)
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The only caveat to “private interpretation†is that it cannot conflict with sound doctrine if it is to be considered profitable for teaching and worthy of belief.
A criticism levied against Catholics is our penchant for belief in the private revelations of our lay people. An example would be the three shepherd children of Fatima and their experiences with visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Church does not “add†this private revelation to its Dogmatic teaching because it is not Apostolic teaching, but the Church does comment that some private revelations such as Fatima are worthy of credence by the example of those in the most pre-eminent positions such as the private veneration practices of Pope John Paul II. I can’t tell you how often such visions are ravaged by non-Catholic. In fact, I’m fairly certain many reading this will consider such visions the work of the Evil one. Regardless—you see, it cannot be both ways—It cannot be that the Church has a stranglehold on religious thought, and also Catholics add to the Revelation of the Apostles. It is simply a fraudulent contradiction rooted in the freedom of thought actually given to Catholics to draw closer to God as the Spirit moves them. The role of the Church is merely to nurture that freedom with Apostolic guidance and only when there is a well established threat to the purity of Apostolic teaching—such as heresies that take hold within the Body of Christ—does the Church, as a Good Mother does, proclaim it’s authority to correct errant interpretation.
So you see–to claim (as you say) Catholic “lay people cannot interpret the Scripture because they may misinterpret it thus causing division” is in fact a strawman claim that is contradictory to other complaints people levy against Catholicism. Further, I hope it is evident that to expect the Church and members of its Magisterium to outline the Bible with interpretation of passages that are difficult, or that may be interpreted differently by lay members of the Church, is to presume a role of the Church that is contradictory to Divine Revelation that includes ordinary lay people and their personal gifts given by God as the Body of Christ. The Church will NEVER contradict Divine Revelation, its role is merely to clarify as the Holy Spirit guides as to what is already revealed.
I hope that helps.
Felicity
Vance on 12 Aug 2007 at 9:17 am #
Felicity, let me simplify Michael’s point a bit so you can see where he is coming from and then actually give my best shot of answering those points from a Catholic perspective. You can see whether I have it right.
1. Catholics assert that the Pope’s ability to make authoritative statements about the interpretation of Scripture exists, at least in part, to prevent their being divisive issues in the Church, and to create unity.
2. The issue of how we should read Genesis 1 and 2 is a very divisive issue, causing great division in the Church. [I have even heard the division expressed within the Catholic Church.]
3. Unlike other divisive issues, Michael believes this particular one could be solved by simply knowing how to interpret Genesis 1 and 2. If we all knew the “figurative/literal” answer, the question would be basically solved (whether we liked the answer or not).
4. So, why has the Pope not been able to give us a definitive statement regarding that interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2 so that the divisive issue would be resolved?
Now, having summarized the points I think Michael was making, and having pondered on it a bit, I will provide an additional thought.
I actually think the Pope’s statements DO provide that kind of direction. Once he is willing to consider even the possibility that evolution could be HOW God created this universe and humans in particular, he is proclaiming that the text COULD be read figuratively. And if it CAN be read figuratively, and evolution and an old earth COULD be correct, then this takes all the wind out of the divisiveness. People can still debate all they want regarding the HOW and WHEN of God’s creative work, but it no longer has theological implications since the Pope has indicated that it WORKS theologically either way. Now it is just a pedestrian discussion of which of two available methods was more likely the one he used. Any ongoing theological angst and dis-unity are not the fault of the Pope.
And, in truth, while I have seen some back and forth among Catholics on this issue (as on Catholic Answers Live), for the most part I don’t think it could be considered a divisive issue. I think that the Pope’s statement has, indeed, resolved any potential for disunity there. So, if we Protestants were to simply accept that proclamation the way the Catholic community has, I suspect we would also see this reduced to a minor discussion over process, not a major division.
Of course, I know WHY the Protestants don’t just accept it, and that is because they do not accept the authority and so need to see an exegetical and hermeneutical foundation that is convincing. I, myself, have one that I am satisfied with that reaches the same conclusion as the Pope, but I agree that I had to reach this myself, and not “take his word for it”.
Sean on 12 Aug 2007 at 9:18 am #
Felicity,
Please don’t take this as though I’m trying to gang up on you. I’ve observed your posts and have to say you are very graceful and charitable even as you courageously dissent on a majority Protestant board.
Often in our interaction with Roman Catholics (especially with apologists, especially on the internet), we Protestants find our views dismissed merely as the results of useless, personal private interpretations that can’t possibly be correct because it is Protestants who are making them. Lay Catholics may be allowed their private interpretations, but what about “separated brethrenâ€?
I have my own problems with the idea of private interpretation. Through years of ministry and teaching I have seen the abuses that people commit with the Scriptures. Sometimes I am tempted to think that people should be allowed their own Bible only after completing X amount of supervised study. But then 1 John 2:27 chastens me.
Coming back to the Magesterium and the Pope: where is the room for individual conscience and dissent? Of course, no one should dissent lightly, but sometimes it is necessary. At what point can the faithful say, “Based on Scripture (or whatever one’s epistemological authority may be), the church is wrong?†As I understand it, on matters of official teaching, the answer is “Never.†In the end one is left with a form of fideism (and I’m not as down on fideism as most): “Trust Mother Church. She’s always right.†Again, we come back to Matt. 16 and the burden it is forced to bear. Again, I have difficulty seeing this as other than a means of holding on to power, but I’d be interested in hearing your perspective.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 9:52 am #
Vance–
I don’t know how Michael views your summary…but after that–I believe you are right on.
And, I agree with your assessment. Thank-you.
Felicity
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:31 am #
Sean—
I do not feel “ganged up on†–I know this is a primarily Protestant board. I simply want to offer a Catholic perspective when Protestants discuss Catholic teaching. I appreciate your compliment, also.
In my exchanges here, I basically aim to do as I describe above. In one instance, I did go astray of that aim because I found a notion that was bordering blasphemy in my opinion, and as a Sister in Christ, I do not want any souls jeopardized by such spurious intellectualizing. I intend genuine help in the vein of Matthew 18:15-ff. It can be taken as an affront, but the intent is pure.
Please know, however, that Catholics view the “separated brethren†as fellow Christians on the journey—and most particularly, very much a part of the Body of Christ. So, anything good for the Catholic, is also good for the Protestant. The issue, however, arises when sound doctrine is challenged by those who do not trust the vehicle by which God designed as a failsafe for the protection of the purity of the Gospel. If our “separated brethren†fail to acknowledge a final authority that is earthly and also imbued with the blessing of the infallibility of the Holy Spirit in specific matters, then the Body of Christ becomes like a boat at sea without a rudder, or daggarboard, left to flounder atop the waves of human reason.
This is why the Church is often referred to as the Bark of Peter†we are captained by a man and his successors commissioned to provide for our safety amid the storms of this life. Peter walked on water as his faith supported him, and looked to Christ when his faith stumbled. Christ held out His hand and raised Peter up. Later, Christ told Peter to “feed my sheep.†He also promised the Advocate to guide him, and promised the gates of Hell would not prevail. Catholic faith trusts the system set up by Christ and makes no apology for it in her apologetics. It is as God intended.
As for dissent on non-dogmatic issues that seem to hold prevalence, one can voice concerns and still be obedient. An example of one such obedient dissent is St. Francis of Assisi, whose rule of life for his blossoming order was rejected as too strict and unhealthy by Pope Innocent III. Later, the pope changed his mind, but all the while, Francis was obedient to the Church. Now, St. Francis is held in high regard and an example of Christian humility rather than the “nut” he was originally viewed to be.
Sincerely,
Felicity
Sean on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:51 am #
Well, Felicity, I guess that’s where we are. As they say, we must agree to disagree. I and a lot of other Christians simply can’t agree that Christ set the whole system up under the monarchical authority of the Bishop of Rome. We probably will never unite that way, seeing that there’s not been that sort of unity for even 10 minutes in all of church history. But at least we are agreeing to disagree more charitably, and I do think we have made progress since Trent.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:58 am #
Sean–
Keep looking into the question. What is the root of “simply not agreeing?” What is it that waylays the unity. There I hope you find the answer.
With prayers of love,
F.
Sean on 12 Aug 2007 at 11:54 am #
What is it that waylays the unity.
Well, I was done, but if you must ask, the answer is one particular bishop who thinks all Christians must submit to his authority in order to be fully the true church.
Blessings,
Sean
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 3:53 pm #
Felicity,
You are still failing to see the point of my question. You say, “So you see–to claim (as you say) Catholic “lay people cannot interpret the Scripture because they may misinterpret it thus causing division†is in fact a straw-man claim that is contradictory to other complaints people levy against Catholicism.”
The issue is not simply private interpretation, but the private interpretation of the early chapters of Genesis that are causing division. I understand that allowance is made for people to interpret within the regula fide of the church. Even Reformed Protestantism works under this mandate. But, from the Catholic church’s point of view, the Magisterium exists to create unity in doctrine and practice. My point from the very beginning is that there is massive disunity concerning issues of how to interpret the creation narrative.
Again, I am not creating a straw man in any way since I am not working to prove any assumption, just to understand why it is that the Magisterium cannot/will not speak authoritatively about this subject.
If they do not know, this simply clarifies my understanding about their ability. As well, as I said before, it makes their claims to be able to create unity in doctrine less compelling. Maybe this is the way it should be in your mind and mine, but it is not the way it is often communicated as people give an apologetic for the necessity of an infallible authority. They will speak dogmatically about issues regarding Mary, yet will not deal with issues, such as this, that are relevant to current theological discussion.
Hope this makes sense. This alone does not prove that the Catholic church is false, but it does help to establish its own limitations. However, I get the feeling that you don’t know the answer to this and therefore you are moving the discussion away from the original intent. There is no shame in not knowing the answer or even, sometimes, not having an answer. An informed “I don’t know” is what we all have to settle on sometime. It might simply be a difficulty with your system or the way it has been presented apologetically. But remember, ALL systems have difficulties–including mine.
Michael
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 4:41 pm #
Michael–this is totally a strawman–there is no issue. Vance has explained why. What do you want to hear? Pope Benedict say “I don’t know” in the same way the far left wanted to hear GW Bush say “I was wrong?” What is your issue with “either” answer is fine and does not contradict the Creation story either way? I think Vance is correct—you seek an authoritative answer and the text and your exegesis of it is the only thing you trust. It’s okay to have faith that however it was done—God did it and Genesis testifies to it in a real and meaningful way that mankind throughout history can comprehend. The whole “controversy†angle is a paper tiger.
Is it a bias toward the Marian Doctrines? What do you want to know Michael? It seems there is something at the root of your obvious concern here, but I cannot figure it out. And I want to help.
F.
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 5:01 pm #
Felicity, you defensiveness in this case is really out of touch. There is nothing “I want to hear.” I am just trying to understand. Again, I don’t think this is THAT bad even if what I am saying is true.
I don’t want anyone to “admit” anything. I am trying to see the limitations of the Magisterial authority. Please, just think of me as a Catholic trying to understand this issue rather than looking at me as one with a hidden agenda of sabotage.
I have no problems with the issue of Genesis. I am more than willing to admit some degree of obscurity. Once again, this is not the issue. The issue is trying to understand the role of the Magisterial authority with regards to the disunity of doctrine in relation to the earliest chapters of Genesis. There is and has been for quite some time disunity concerning private interpretations of the creation narrative. The Pope’s statements, while possibly wise, do not evidence the role of an infallible authority speaking from intelligence about how to interpret Scripture. They suggest that he and the rest of the Magisterial authority don’t know how to interpret the specifics of Gen. 1-3. Therefore, they can’t serve their role and clarify the obscurity of Scripture in this case.
If you were to admit this is perfectly acceptable. While there are implications to their not knowing, which, in turn, limits there ability to create doctrinal unity through authoritative clarifications, it is better to understand how the function than to believe a smoke screen put up by defensive apologetics.
Now do you see where I am going? So, the honest question once again is this: Does the Magisterial authority know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis?
I hope that my focus on this issue is not offensive, but I just keep seeing this get off track and missing the point.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 6:21 pm #
***From CMP:
Felicity, you defensiveness in this case is really out of touch. There is nothing “I want to hear.†I am just trying to understand. Again, I don’t think this is THAT bad even if what I am saying is true.
REPLY:
Michael—I am not defensive—merely confused. I don’t know WHAT you’re saying…the Young Earth–vs.- Evolution is far more a Protestant issue than a Catholic issue. It really doesn’t cause the disunity you suggest. It’s simply not the Catholic “big deal†that you are making it out to be—at least, I haven’t been privy to this phenomenon you suggest is causing such a stir. Can you direct me to where I might find this major problem within my Church so I might be more informed?
***From CMP:
I don’t want anyone to “admit†anything. I am trying to see the limitations of the Magisterial authority. Please, just think of me as a Catholic trying to understand this issue rather than looking at me as one with a hidden agenda of sabotage.
REPLY:
You are attributing a motivation to me that is not at all the case—I provided you with Dogmatic teaching and an explanation of the role of the leadership of the Church. Vance explained how the Pope’s statements really do quash the issue of any potential division—either view is fine. What IS your further question? I mentioned the Marian Doctrines because it’s been brought up twice on this blog—it seems that there is something not being asked but I don’t know what the connection you see between defined Marian Doctrines and the undefined means of God’s Creation process. Please clarify.
***From CMP:
The issue is trying to understand the role of the Magisterial authority with regards to the disunity of doctrine in relation to the earliest chapters of Genesis. There is and has been for quite some time disunity concerning private interpretations of the creation narrative.
REPLY:
I guess you’ll have to direct me to this disunity that is disruptive to the Catholic Church. I merely see differences of opinion on the matter, not heresy.
***From CMP:
The Pope’s statements, while possibly wise, do not evidence the role of an infallible authority speaking from intelligence about how to interpret Scripture. They suggest that he and the rest of the Magisterial authority don’t know how to interpret the specifics of Gen. 1-3. Therefore, they can’t serve their role and clarify the obscurity of Scripture in this case.
REPLY:
It doesn’t matter HOW God did, just THAT He did it. The Magisterium is not Catholic Answers Live—the Magisterium merely guides and feeds the flock in accordance to the clarification of received Revelation. You are asking the Magisterium to assume a job they have no business assuming. According to the Magisterium, it appears it is fine for Catholics to believe either way about the Creation of the world as long as they believe God as the Uncreated Creator, and our First Parents, and the Fall are all real . If at some future date it becomes necessary to be more clear to avoid some sort of heresy against Revealed Truth—they’ll explain it as prompted by the Holy Spirit. I doubt they will need to.
***From CMP:
If you were to admit this is perfectly acceptable. While there are implications to their not knowing, which, in turn, limits there ability to create doctrinal unity through authoritative clarifications, it is better to understand how the function than to believe a smoke screen put up by defensive apologetics.
Now do you see where I am going?
REPLY:
No—I really don’t. It is a non-question. The Magisterium job is not to serve man—it is to serve God. If there is disunity because of man’s lack of scientific knowledge—oh well. It’s not the Pope’s job to make scientific claims concerning Creation—the Pope’s job is to say if something is contrary to Revealed Truth. Apparently evolution needs not be. You have your answer.
***CMP:
I hope that my focus on this issue is not offensive, but I just keep seeing this get off track and missing the point.
REPLY:
It’s not offensive, it’s just irrelevant and I don’t know how to help you understand that—I thought Vance did a fine job in explaining why but it seems you don’t accept the answer. If that’s off track…I don’t have a clue what road you’re on. Sorry, I’m sincerely trying.
F.
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 7:11 pm #
Felicity, it would seem that either we are talking past each other or you are intentionally dodging MY issue. My question is real. Go do a search on Catholic Answers boards and you will see great disunity about this issue, often hostile.
I will have to direct this question to the rest here since you obviously don’t know whether or not the Magisterial authority can clarify how to interpret the word “day” in Genesis 1. This is perfectly reasonable…I did not think you could have the answer.
In the end, it is curious that the Magisterial authority feels it necessary to dogmatize issues of Mariology and leave this issue uninterpreted.
However, if I were a Catholic apologist, this is how I would answer:
The role of the Magisterial authority is not to create unity necessarily, but to clarify truths with unity being a primary result. Often, the Magisterial authority does not know how to interpret Scripture, but they will clarify the issue so that people know whether or not it is one of essentiality. Issues related to the mystery of creation have not been clarified, either in Scripture or Tradition. Therefore, the Pope did all he could to keep the Catholic church focused. His stance, for now, is not on how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis, but that disagreements with regards to this issue should not create disunity. If disunity occurs, it occurs outside of the approval of the Catholic Church. Those creating the disunity are disregarding the Church’s stance and not approved. Does the Pope and the Magisterial authority know how to interpret the early chapters of Genesis? Probably not considering JP2’s comments, but we really don’t know.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 8:03 pm #
***CMP:
it would seem that either we are talking past each other or you are intentionally dodging MY issue.
REPLY:
Your questions were answered in the link to the Catechism in the sections I cited. I’ll post some here:
Does the Pope know?
314 We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history. But the ways of his providence are often unknown to us. Only at the end, when our partial knowledge ceases, when we see God “face to face”,184 will we fully know the ways by which - even through the dramas of evil and sin - God has guided his creation to that definitive sabbath rest185 for which he created heaven and earth.
Are the six days literal?
337 God himself created the visible world in all its richness, diversity and order. Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine “work”, concluded by the “rest” of the seventh day.204 On the subject of creation, the sacred text teaches the truths revealed by God for our salvation,205 permitting us to “recognize the inner nature, the value and the ordering of the whole of creation to the praise of God.”206
Are Adam and Eve real?
359 “In reality it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man truly becomes clear.”224
St. Paul tells us that the human race takes its origin from two men: Adam and Christ. . . the first man, Adam, he says, became a living soul, the last Adam a life-giving spirit. the first Adam was made by the last Adam, from whom he also received his soul, to give him life… the second Adam stamped his image on the first Adam when he created him. That is why he took on himself the role and the name of the first Adam, in order that he might not lose what he had made in his own image. the first Adam, the last Adam: the first had a beginning, the last knows no end. the last Adam is indeed the first; as he himself says: “I am the first and the last.”225
360 Because of its common origin the human race forms a unity, for “from one ancestor (God) made all nations to inhabit the whole earth”:226
362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. the biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that “then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.
***CMP
In the end, it is curious that the Magisterial authority feels it necessary to dogmatize issues of Mariology and leave this issue uninterpreted.
REPLY:
See…What is the issue with Mary that you want answered?
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 8:47 pm #
Thanks Felicity. I have seen these quotes. They do nothing more than repeat Scripture(?). From what I can tell, they do not interpret any of the issues of which I speak. In other words, these do not provide any contemporary clarification. There is no interpretation of “day.” Is it literal or figurative? There does not seem to be clarification on the contemporary issue of Adam. Was he and his beloved wife literal or figurative?
Did you not like my answer that I would give as a Catholic apologist? If not why?
BTW: I have no problems with Mary. The Marian dogmas are brought up because of their parallel relevance as the Magisterium has spoken definitively on this, yet, it seems, not on a more pressing and divisive issue.
ChadS on 12 Aug 2007 at 9:02 pm #
Hello Michael and all,
I realize I’m coming to this discussion a little late, but let me add my two cents and see if I can help or muddy the waters as it may be.
I think the answer Michael is looking for is “Why hasn’t the Church said one way or another is it six literal days or isn’t it?”
We must remember that the Church’s mission is focussed on the salvation of mankind, which culminates in Jesus Christ. Keeping that in mind the Church views the creation story in Genesis as the beginning of the salvation story.
While the Church will probably never come down definitively on one side or the other it has set up certain boundaries. The First Vatican Council solemnly declared: everyone must “confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing” (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5). So the Church declared that creation did occur and it is a matter of faith to believe that.
Pope Pius XII in “Humani Generis” wrote that “the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God” (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36).
Pius XII further wrote that: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).
You see here he is stating quite clearly that humanity has only one set of parents — Adam and Eve. Any other claims are contrary to the Christian faith as believed and taught by the Church.
I don’t believe the Pope will issue any sort of definitive statement on how to interpret the creation story in Genesis. I think from a Catholic viewpoint one isn’t needed. The Church has laid out guidelines from which any interpretation of scripture should follow. Namely that God created everything out of nothing. God generates human souls and that they do not arise from some natural & explainable events. We have one set of parents — Adam and Eve. Finally Genesis is the beginning of the salvation story.
You can see there is a wide berth given to the differing interpretations of Genesis. Even among early Church fathers there was various opinions on how old the earth was. Each opinion while perhaps not “right” isn’t “wrong.” I think that both can exist as long both sides remember the essentials of the creation story.
Michael, I think I may have answered your query in #5, or at least part of it. Pius XII said Adam and Eve really existed, and I doubt JPII ever said anything different.
I think this is a good place to see how a lay Catholic can engage in private interpretation of scripture. Felicity provided some good quotes concerning the Catholic’s responsibility in interpreting scripture. I, and I don’t think she would either, view these guides as hindrances. They are meant to keep things moving along fruitful and holy paths. It’s sort of like a chemistry set that tells you to never mix chemicals A & B. If you follow those instruction you will learn tremendous things and gain much knowledge, but if you don’t something disastrous could happen. So it is with the Catholic, Church guidelines and beliefs aren’t meant to hamper our inquiry, it’s meant to aid and enhance it.
I’m not sure if I helped to clarify anything or not in this discussion.
See this article for more information: http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 9:13 pm #
Thanks for the comments Chad, but I just must not be presenting myself clearly.
You said: “I don’t believe the Pope will issue any sort of definitive statement on how to interpret the creation story in Genesis. I think from a Catholic viewpoint one isn’t needed.”
Here is the essence of my question, and please note, it is one of epistemology, NOT creationism (which I could really care less about).
Does the Magisterial authority know how to interpret “day” in Genesis 1?
1. No
2. Yes
3. I don’t know/maybe
Again, there are epistemic ramifications to this question, not so much on creationism, but on the knowledge base of the Magisterium.
Chad, can you answer this?
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:06 pm #
What’s not clear about saying the six days are symbolic?
“Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine “workâ€, concluded by the “rest†of the seventh day.”
That’s what the Catechism says: Symbolism is FIGURATIVE language.
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:09 pm #
Adam and Eve are canonized saints in the Catholic Church.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainta17.htm
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainte15.htm
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:17 pm #
So, the official teaching of the Church is the days of the Genesis narrative are symbolic and not literal? Therefore, it is impossible to be a Catholic who believes that the days are literal?
Felicity on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:33 pm #
Michael–Genesis 2 offers a different picture of Creation than Genesis 1. As was ALSO quoted for you, “314 We firmly believe that God is master of the world and of its history. But the ways of his providence are often unknown to us.”
Genesis is symbolic…Literal 24 hour day is perfectly permissable, but the Genesis story is not clearly revealed–it is fine to believe “day” is 24 hours or as the Bible says elswhere 2 Peter 3 ;8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
C Michael Patton on 12 Aug 2007 at 10:38 pm #
OK, well, now we are back to the beginning. Oh well, thanks for the help. I will watch the debate/development on this thread as other Catholics hash this out.
You have been helpful and patient.
ChadS on 13 Aug 2007 at 6:40 am #
Michael,
Let me take another stab at this.
The Church teaches that new Revelations from God ceased at the closure of the Apostolic Age, or the death of the last living apostle. This forms what Catholics call the Deposit of Faith. We believe that the Church is the guardian of this deposit and all that is necessary for salvation is found in this deposit. The Magisterium of the Church is entrusted with assuring this deposit is passed on to the next generation incorrupt. In addition to passing it on they can also interpret. This is done only under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit will only clarify what is already in the deposit of faith.
So yes the Magesterium of the Catholic Church would perfectly be in its right to issue a definitive statement on the exact interpretation of the creation story in Genesis. As I see it there are probably two reasons why a definitive statement hasn’t been issued: 1. The Holy Spirit hasn’t led the Church to issue or see a need for a definitive statement at this time, or 2. The Deposit of Faith isn’t clear enough on this subject to make an absolute decision either way.
As far as I can see from the quotes Felicity and I provided the Church has spoken clearly enough.
What I don’t understand is why the concern over what the Church’s Magesterium can and can’t interpret. Protestants of all stripes reject anything and everything the Church may say on a variety of subjects. A few weeks ago the CDF issued a statement clarifying Church teaching on non-Catholic churches. Howls of protest erupted from all over. What I didn’t hear is one Protestant sit down and say “We should really care what they have to say about us after all the Church did say it.” Since the Reformation the Church has issued various decrees and statements that non-Catholics routinely and as a matter of course ignore or deny.
As I see it the Church could come out tomorrow and say that evolution is an undeniable article of faith and that the earth is millions of years old. If they did this not one young earth believer would change his mind and not one lawsuit in this country would be dropped due to this statement. Nobody among Protestants would by any means consider this debate at all settled. If anything websites all over would carry the headline: “Church Now Wrong On Evolution” or “Catholic Church Misinterprets Bible; Again.”
ChadS
Vance on 13 Aug 2007 at 10:09 am #
Chad, I think Michael is pointing out that there is a flaw in the Magisterium system, in particular on the proper reading of Scripture, if the statements of the Magisterium on an important issue still leave disunity among the believers. Not among Protestants, since as you say, they would not follow such authority anyway, but among Catholics who are required to accept such dictates.
My response to Michael, even as a protestant who does not accept the authority of the magisterium, would still be that this is not really an issue of “disunity” among the Catholics themselves, even if it is still an issue of debate, even heated debate. The Pope has made it clear that WHETHER it is read figuratively or literally does not impact any important theological doctrine of the Church. Everything the Church holds to be essential about the passage is true whichever way it is read.
Any remaining angst is unnecessary, although healthy debate about which is more likely the correct reading is still acceptable and, possibly, useful. And, while there definitely IS some debate on the subject, especially here in the US, most Catholics worldwide have no major problem with this. It is not “dividing” the Catholic Church by any means.
What angst, and even hostilities, which DO exist can possibly be laid at the door of the fundamentalist protestants who continue to take an extreme stance and make this a polarizing issue. I think many Catholics get sucked into this debate.
So, while I agree with you on the issue of Magisterium in general, I am not sure that this is the issue where you can point to the emperor’s lack of clothes!
ChadS on 13 Aug 2007 at 1:36 pm #
Vance,
I’m not sure this means there is a flaw in the Magisterium. The Church, much to many people’s chagrin, moves at a pace entirely of its own keeping. On some areas of scientific research and interest the Church has spoken quite loudly and quickly. They have issued guidelines concerning where and how stem cells can and should be harvested. They have issued statements on cloning. They have consistently been opposed to all forms of contraception. These are areas of scientific inquiry that the Church feels are directly related to matters of faith and morals.
Evolution and the interpretation of Genesis have yet to rise to that level. If the Church sees a need to, it is certainly with in its rights to issue a definitive statement on the interpretation of Genesis. What I mean by this is my faith in Jesus Christ and his resurrection impaired any by believing that God created the universe and gave us souls but that it took millions of years? Would the same faith be impaired any further if instead of saying millions of years I said six days? From my vantage point I don’t think it is.
Jimmy Akin wrote a good article that deals with this question. The fact that the Church hasn’t dealt more substantively with this issue does not arise out of some defect or fault in the Church’s teaching or teaching structure.
See this article: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0401bt.asp
ChadS
Vance on 13 Aug 2007 at 2:21 pm #
Chad, I agree with that completely: this is not a point on which the Pope would NEED to issue such a dogmatic statement because I think that the statements made so far are sufficient to remove serious “division” if accepted. Again, I say this as a protestant, who does not accept the magisterium to begin with.
Sure, there are remaining debates and discussions, even among the Catholic community but it reminds me of a line from the Hitchiker’s Guide, to the effect that “all has returned to normalcy, any remaining difficulties you may have are your own problem!”
ChadS on 13 Aug 2007 at 4:05 pm #
Vance,
Your line from the Hitchiker’s Guide reminds me of what it is like to deal with our computer people at work.
I know this debate over the correct interpretation of Genesis will continue for quite sometime, and with varying degrees of intensity. I think it should be carried on with all due possible respect and charity for the different opinions. It is important to remember that no matter the exact mechanism God used to create the universe the one thing to keep your eye on is Jesus.
ChadS