Comments on: The Deity of Christ in Philippians 2 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/ Just another WordPress weblog Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:14:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: The Deity of Christ in Philippians 2 (60 A.D.) 30 years after the Crucifixion by Ed Komoszewski (260 years before Nicea) « Above Every Name http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1670 The Deity of Christ in Philippians 2 (60 A.D.) 30 years after the Crucifixion by Ed Komoszewski (260 years before Nicea) « Above Every Name Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:00:43 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1670 [...] The Deity of Christ in Philippians 2 (60 A.D.) 30 years after the Crucifixion by Ed Komoszewski (260 years before Nicea) 17 07 2007 Video Here [...] [...] The Deity of Christ in Philippians 2 (60 A.D.) 30 years after the Crucifixion by Ed Komoszewski (260 years before Nicea) 17 07 2007 Video Here [...]

]]> By: Ed Komoszewski http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1669 Ed Komoszewski Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:33:59 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1669 Hey, you know me, Michael. I follow the herd, crumble under peer pressure, and toe the party line when it comes to stuff like the deity of Christ! :-D Hey, you know me, Michael. I follow the herd, crumble under peer pressure, and toe the party line when it comes to stuff like the deity of Christ! :-D

]]> By: C Michael Patton http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1668 C Michael Patton Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:23:25 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1668 Sure Ed, you hold the good ol' party line while I get hammered with everything I write. Thanks a lot "friend." Sure Ed, you hold the good ol’ party line while I get hammered with everything I write. Thanks a lot “friend.”

]]> By: Ed Komoszewski http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1667 Ed Komoszewski Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:16:28 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1667 Iakobusdoulos, I wouldn’t include the Father and the Holy Spirit in the “every knee” of Philippians 2:10. After all, the Father, Son, and Spirit are all part of one divine identity and are equal in power, glory, and majesty. What's more, the only divine activity noted in the passage is that of the Father exalting the Incarnate Son. That's the opposite of the Father humbling himself before Jesus! Also, remember that Paul is alluding to Isaiah 45:23 in the Septuagint, which declares that "every knee will bend" and "every tongue will swear" to the Father. The Son is grafted, if you will, by Paul into this divine honor. I'm pretty confident that the knees bowing “in heaven” are most surely those of angelic powers. See especially Hebrews 1:3b-6, 13. Note also that "every <i>creature</i> in heaven" is heard directing praise "to the one seated on the throne <i>and</i> to the Lamb" in Revelation 5:13. Iakobusdoulos,

I wouldn’t include the Father and the Holy Spirit in the “every knee” of Philippians 2:10. After all, the Father, Son, and Spirit are all part of one divine identity and are equal in power, glory, and majesty. What’s more, the only divine activity noted in the passage is that of the Father exalting the Incarnate Son. That’s the opposite of the Father humbling himself before Jesus!

Also, remember that Paul is alluding to Isaiah 45:23 in the Septuagint, which declares that “every knee will bend” and “every tongue will swear” to the Father. The Son is grafted, if you will, by Paul into this divine honor.

I’m pretty confident that the knees bowing “in heaven” are most surely those of angelic powers. See especially Hebrews 1:3b-6, 13. Note also that “every creature in heaven” is heard directing praise “to the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb” in Revelation 5:13.

]]> By: Ed Komoszewski http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1666 Ed Komoszewski Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:55:07 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1666 Saint and Sinner, As your comment hints, Jesus may very well have had more in mind than the worthiness of children’s praise in Matthew 21:16. He may also have been alluding to his supremacy by claiming a text (Psalm 8:2 in our English versions) that was originally applied to Yahweh. That said, I don’t think that it’s among the clearest “Yahweh” texts applied to Jesus in the New Testament, so our book forgoes a discussion of Matthew 21:16 in favor of surer examples. Saint and Sinner,

As your comment hints, Jesus may very well have had more in mind than the worthiness of children’s praise in Matthew 21:16. He may also have been alluding to his supremacy by claiming a text (Psalm 8:2 in our English versions) that was originally applied to Yahweh.

That said, I don’t think that it’s among the clearest “Yahweh” texts applied to Jesus in the New Testament, so our book forgoes a discussion of Matthew 21:16 in favor of surer examples.

]]> By: Saint and Sinner http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1662 Saint and Sinner Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:51:29 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1662 Ed, Do you devote any space in your upcoming book to Matthew 21:16? Thanks. Ed,

Do you devote any space in your upcoming book to Matthew 21:16?

Thanks.

]]> By: iakobusdoulos http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1663 iakobusdoulos Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:34 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1663 Great stuff Brother Ed! I love it! One question, I've never thought of this before I was listening to you here, will the knee of the Father bow? It says "of things in heaven..." and naturally to follow, will the Father confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? (and I guess the Holy Ghost would fall into that catagory too) If the implication of that being so is in the text, that would deliver a tremendous blow to J.W.'s doctrine! Thank you Ed. Please, post more of those, they're Great! Great stuff Brother Ed! I love it!
One question, I’ve never thought of this before I was listening to you here, will the knee of the Father bow? It says “of things in heaven…” and naturally to follow, will the Father confess that Jesus Christ is Lord? (and I guess the Holy Ghost would fall into that catagory too)
If the implication of that being so is in the text, that would deliver a tremendous blow to J.W.’s doctrine!
Thank you Ed. Please, post more of those, they’re Great!

]]> By: Ed Komoszewski http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1665 Ed Komoszewski Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:52:33 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1665 Thanks for the gracious words, Carrie. I guess that it’s a bit surprising for folks to see me so energetic behind a podium when I’m so lethargic in person! As you (and all of the folks at Reclaiming the Mind Ministries) know, I have some health problems that leave me feeling terribly fatigued all of the time. That means that I can only teach effectively when I muster up enough adrenaline to stay “jacked” while I’m on my feet. If I didn’t do this, I’d not only put my audience to sleep; I’d fall asleep myself! :-D The downside to this, of course, is that I feel like death warmed over for several days after a public speaking event. But it’s a price worth paying when I can share my passion for Jesus with others! Thanks for the gracious words, Carrie.

I guess that it’s a bit surprising for folks to see me so energetic behind a podium when I’m so lethargic in person!

As you (and all of the folks at Reclaiming the Mind Ministries) know, I have some health problems that leave me feeling terribly fatigued all of the time. That means that I can only teach effectively when I muster up enough adrenaline to stay “jacked” while I’m on my feet. If I didn’t do this, I’d not only put my audience to sleep; I’d fall asleep myself! :-D
The downside to this, of course, is that I feel like death warmed over for several days after a public speaking event. But it’s a price worth paying when I can share my passion for Jesus with others!

]]> By: Carrie Hunter http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/07/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1664 Carrie Hunter Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:37:09 +0000 http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/devblog/2007/07/15/the-deity-of-christ-in-philippians-2/#comment-1664 WOW! Ed both this and the other post are incredibly powerful. Hearing you lecture is a lot different than hearing you on the phone! I am going to remember these clips the next time I disagree with you on a theological issue. I don't want you to let loose on me. :-D I had chills from hearing both those clips. Thank you for sharing these! Blessings, Carrie WOW!

Ed both this and the other post are incredibly powerful.

Hearing you lecture is a lot different than hearing you on the phone! I am going to remember these clips the next time I disagree with you on a theological issue. I don’t want you to let loose on me. :-D
I had chills from hearing both those clips.

Thank you for sharing these!

Blessings,

Carrie

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