Cheryl
Take care. You held on course and I think God would be pleased with your words.

Dr. G,
God is love. God is mercy. God is just. Babies were meant to be loved and cherished because they are themselves created in the image of God and innocent. It is unfair of you to deny them the right to life because your world view is propped by liberalism. When you get to the heart of the matter, a baby pre-born is just as human as you and I. The Bible states it, ancient prophets declared it, science supports it. Why does it seem the more liberal a person is, the more they drift away from the fundamental relationship with God?

Have a good life Dr. G, you earned it. You almost succeeded in proving your intellectual superiority. Nothing about your arguments were honest, and they were at times abasing to women and children. We leave you on your pedestal, your ivory tower of university education with all it’s clinging ivy. You practically did your side well, you have just about shown us we can’t possibly be as good as you.

But that’s it. I find your reason and logic a disservice. You clearly question the morality of the Bible by defining it’s meaning to fit the current world view. Because it is popular currently does not make it right. If I must choose between being stupid but right over being intellectual and wrong…I choose stupidity.

As Paul says…we have become fools for Christ. So this foolish person says have a good one. Nice try, but Cheryl and I both can end this with our conscience clear. So from now on, why don’t you go to a pro-choice room, and tell them all the Bible you think you know. They probably will accept it there.

My last remarks were address to KK; not C.

Well, Dr. G,

The more I look at the Bible, the more I believe God doesn’t approve of abortion. And you certainly haven’t been able to prove to me scientifically that an embryo of fetus doesn not have a soul, and thus is not, in your opinion, a human being.

By the way, no thoughts on the “multiply” comment above? How do you justify abortion in light of the command to multiply? That is a total opposite.

And of course there was the Scripture that says that children are a gift from God and the young man that has many are blessed.

I don’t see how abortion fits with either of those Scriptures and I certainly don’t see that there are others that say it is alright.

You asked for Scriptural back up to our beliefs. We have given you many. But you just throw aside everything we say and indeed say the more you look, the more you believe the Bible supports abortion.

Obviously there is nothing more we can say. So I am bowing out of this conversation.

Dr. G,
Wow. Such intellectualism may just get you into trouble with God. So by your logic then we all must be adults to get a soul?

And you think you can change the very idea of God’s creation, to reduce to the level that you have and say God perhaps intended for us to have abortions?

Are you really implying that God is ok with abortion?

http://www.blackgenocide.org/photos.html

This link is graphic and please do not view the link if you are sensitive. It is pictures of abortion as you Dr. G. advocate. Now you tell me that God in any way can be pleased with this. I say no, and I believe He becomes angry because His creation was viewed as nothing more than just a few cells that are not viable.

Now you might say it is unfair for me to post the link, but it is the real pictures. It is germane to the discussion, and after seeing this, how can anyone say it is a viable option. Even the methods used are inhumane. And you want us to believe this as acceptable?

I say no, because it is evil to do this. Not even the worst horror slasher film can come in comparison to this.

Warning, pictures of actual aborted babies. Unfair? Someone has to speak for these innocent children. Again, don’t look at the link if you are sensitive and not in front of children. It made me cry when I saw them. So how dare anyone say this is something God could be pleased with or permits.

Become “large” in your spirit.

Thanks for the site.

Of course God is smart enough to create a soul in anyone, at any time. I’m not denying that. The problem is … when does he choose to do it?

The signs are, it is not at conception. Take your present examples:

1) Note that Adam’s body was more or less adult, most think, when God breathed life into it.

2) And indeed, (in Aquinas?), part of the argument that our soul begins at birth, is based on …the idea that we don’t get it, till we draw our first “breath.”

3) Do I really need to be able to create a soul myself, to have anything valid to say about it? Then you too should stop talking. Because indeed, can you create one from knowledge? We can all create them by procreation; but …

4) What does that famous phrase “chose life” mean? It might mean … a) spiritual life. What b) physical lives does it intend to save? Surely not all lives; God demands that we kill animals to sacrifice to him. Indeed, even jesus gives up his own physical life.

So given so much variability in the world “life” … where do you get your God-like authority, to tell us that for sure, it means the embryo?

And so perhaps we should cease speaking, soon enough.

No doubt, we should honor the lives of human beings with souls. But the question is: is a blastocyst a human being with a soul. So far, no one has proven that.

5) By the way: I know you feel sure today, that you know what God wants and says; and that I am wrong and evil. But is that humillity? Often in life, we discover that just when we were absolutely sure we were right … we discover that we were wrong after all. That is why Jesus called us to be humble.

6) I admit, abortion is not attractive. But … I cannot say that God himself, ever firmly pronounced against it.

7) And the more I look at the Bible itself, the less suport I see for the current Apostate Church of the Holy Foetus; which looks like a heresy to me.
There is no strong Biblical evidence against abortion. Indeed, there is some evidence in favor of it.

9) Therefore, anyone can say abortion is wrong “in their own opinion,”

10) No one should ever say, that “God said” abortion was wrong.

Those who say that, speak falsely, for God.

Which is a very, very, very bad thing.

Often the people who think they are very, very good … turn out … to be the opposite of what they think. So consider carefully. So many think their anti-abortionism, is the word of God. But … so far, we have not come up with a single place where the Bible definitely supports anti-abortionism at all.

And so I conclude: religious anti-abortionism, is, surprisingly enough, a heresy.

And a dangerous one too.

Dr. G,

The lexicon definition of multiply in the site I gave you the link for is:) be or become great, be or become many, be or become much, be or become numerous
a) (Qal)
1) to become many, become numerous, multiply (of people, animals, things)
2) to be or grow great
b) (Piel) to make large, enlarge, increase, become many
c) (Hiphil)
1) to make much, make many, have many
) to multiply, increase
b) to make much to do, do much in respect of, transgress greatly
c) to increase greatly or exceedingly
2) to make great, enlarge, do much
2) (Qal) to shoot

It says the stem is Qal, hense the first meaning above would be the one used. To be become many, numerous.

Because priests do not have children doesn’t mean that God commanded them not to.

And Jesus was a man yes. But remember, He was sent from God for a very specific purpose in that manhood–to become our Saviour. He didn’t have children, neither did he have a wife having an abortion!

Dr. G,

Here is the link I promised you: http://www.blueletterbible.org/

Dr. G,

Many versions do not use the word “miscarriage” in this verse. Take a look at this link which lists many versions for this verse:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exd&c=21&v=1&t=KJV#vrsn/22

I will give you the link for the home page of this site. It is the one I go to a lot for a concordance and lexicon. Someone told me that the Lexicon on here was outdated, but I haven’t found a site anywhere else that has all of the features that this one does. I will put it in another comment however because two links in one comment usually sends the comment to moderation.

Cheryl
Abortion smacks of Molech. After all, what is life anyway? Here we are talking about a human and after there is no convincing us, he wants to go on the soul. Like God is not smart enough to create a soul within the baby. He still never said how he could replicate it. Now while he is explaining that, let him explain also personality. Let him explain why some people can be so full of hate toward some people and be so loving toward his own family. Or vice versa.

What is the soul? The Bible says man is a soul. It does not say we create it, catch it, fabricate it, none of that stuff. We are a soul that flesh grew around.

Genesis says “God breathed into his nostril the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” When did my soul come into being? When God breathed into me the breath of life. And what is life? Anything that is not dead. A blastocyst is not dead, it is fully alive because it is formed from cells, which according to dictionary meaning, is the basic unit of…..wait for it….LIFE. And it is fully functioning as a cell, I mean basic unit of life.