Christians invented science… ? …and with that knowledge, then designed numerous, huge, ‘apparently self-constructing’ monuments pre-dating Christianity by centuries worldwide that could go back in time and erect themselves.

This is hardly even Chicken/Egg debate worthy.

Science existed a long time before Christianity.If you need proof of this try the ‘History (non-fiction)’ section in the library.
Man invented God in the image of himself.

Yeah, and on which day did he create internal dialogue and the universal language ?

who is god talking to during the creation? he keeps saying “let there be this and that” and it happens. he must be telling the true creator what to do. also why did he create the heaven and earth before light? it just makes him look stupid right off the bat.

Jason C, the 15th century called, they want their theology back.

Jason C – as a Kiwi I am interested in your claim “New Zealand atheists are 3 times as likely to be in prison as Christians.”

Can you provide a reference for this? (It seems to conflict with the US data and I would like to know if we really are that different). I have heard this comment before but never been able to find the data.

I’m reminded of Winston Churchill’s observation. “He is a humble man with much to be humble about.”

So what have atheists contributed to the world CT? Did they invent science? No, that was Christians. Public hospitals, oh Christians again. Magna Carta and the rule of law… oh Christians yet again.

Contributed massively to the prison system, oh yes. In New Zealand atheists are 3 times as likely to be in prison as Christians. Genocide? In the twentieth century atheistic regimes killed about three times as many people in peacetime as all wars and individual crimes combined.

So show me that I am wrong. If I’m arrogant it seems I have good reason.

“Atheists have contributed nothing to the world except massive bloodshed.”

So glad to see that Jason C hasn’t lost his edge.

Here’s what I most love about Christians: their winsome intellectual humility, their sensitivity to the limits of their own expertise, their awareness that they might be wrong.

Also, the inability to distinguish between Biblical Creation and Intelligent Design is another thing that irritates me about atheists and their compromising hangers-on.

Biblical Creation starts with the Bible as the inspired, historically accurate, document past Christians have claimed it to be and seeks to understand scientific observations in light of that.

Intelligent Design starts with observations about the incredible complexity that is found in nature and looking at possible sources for it, finds that an intelligent causation is the most likely explanation.

The general term for the type of complexity they look for is “specified complexity”. Writing on a page is specified complexity, crystals in a snowflake are specified but not complex, a jar of protein solution is complex but not specified.

In living systems DNA is much more like the written page than it is either of the other examples. The information it contains is independent of the chemical composition of its bases just as the words the ink forms on the paper is independent of its chemical composition. If it is reasonable to attribute a written page to a writer then it is reasonable to infer someone wrote the coding in the DNA.

Firstly intelligent design is more scientific than evolution, it simply tries to follow the evidence where it leads. Secondly atheistic websites trying to “debunk” intelligent design invariably fail by falling back on crackpot hypotheses like Miller’s claims that since 25% of the bacterium flagellum can be found in the type three secretory system an evolutionary sequence can be created. There are three main points of fail.

1/ It’s only 25% of the required assembly. 75% still has to appear out of thin air.

2/ Stephen Minnich who is an expert, unlike Miller, observes that incubated above 37C the flagellum instead forms a secretory like organ, in other words the TTSS is probably a degenerate form of the flagellum.

3/ Evolutionary history claims that bacteria predated the multi-cellular creature. The TTSS is of no use without multi-cellular life to engage with. In other words Miller’s “solution” contradicts the evolutionary history. That indicates that these people aren’t interested in truth, they’re certainly not interested in science, they just want to justify their moronic atheistic philosophy.

Diane, go read anything by Rodney Stark. Christianity did indeed save the world, and if atheists don’t like it, who cares? Atheists have contributed nothing to the world except massive bloodshed. The word genocide had to be invented to describe their activities. Try Vox Day’s The Irrational Atheist for some idea of how far the high priests of atheism are from rational thought.

I agree with the above comment on intelligent design; but moreover, my biggest gripe is with “Christians” who treat others who are different from them as enemies, particularly since conservative Christianity co-opted the Republican Party and Christianity became political (again. Can we say Constantine here??) It annoys me when I see Christians who slyly try to convert their relatives and disrespect their relatives’ own beliefs in the arrogant belief that Christianity will save the world. Christianity has been responsible for a lot of the grossest miscarriages of colonialism (particularly in Africa where we blindly go on waging Christianity on these people). Christ didn’t knock people over the head with the Bible. People just felt compelled to follow Him after listening to Him. Were that arrogant Christians were that subtle!